New photos of a Wounded George Zimmerman

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**AustonT**

mattyrm wrote:I do think that people are making quick judgements from the safety of the internet as well btw.

If your a fat middle aged civvie who is unused to brawling, you have a firearm on you, and someone is beating you up, its perfectly reasonable to shoot them.

Not that Im saying thats what ahppened, I havent a clue and Ive not looked into it enough, as I said, I dont care enough to read too much at this point..

However, saying from the comfort of your chair "Ah! I wouldnt shoot him, Id just roll with the punch, tuck my chin in, and then follow it up with some punishing combinations!" is a bit ridiculous.

When untrained civvies are getting beaten, adrenalin and blind panic would have you shooting if you happened to be carrying a gun.

Well, unless you are hard as nails like me.. obviously I would just roll with the punch, tuck my chin in, and then follow it up with some punishing combinations!

...Or break his instep and walk away.
Drama Queen.

**CT GAMER**

Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
Manchu wrote:Even if you do believe in retributive justice, how does ending a life justly repay a non-maiming wound?

Violence deserves a zero acceptance policy with the most extreme of measures.

I agree. So yes, Zimmerman should get the electric chair.

Wow look at this endless loop of illogic we are now trapped in...

Shame that Zimmerman has got more evidence on his side though.

That isnt hard when you kill the only other person involved.

Try to follow along.

**mattyrm**

alarmingrick wrote:
mattyrm wrote: I'm glad he shot the fether. If it was me I would have shot him and buried him in my back yard then pleased ignorance.

I think you are making up your position and just pushing buttons.
Allow me to demonstrate. For what? What would you, a Royal Marine, have shot him for exactly?
A 10-32(that's walking while being black according to a good black friend of mine.)?

No matter what we fine citizens of Dakka decide, we can't lose sight of the fact a child is dead.
Say whatever you want about whatever position, just don't forget that one little fact, please.

Ive been over this a few times rick, I wouldnt have shot him, I was merely making a cheap point.

See above anyway, I would merely have dispatched him with my bare hands, and then invited 10-15 of his mates to join in so I could at least get warmed up before I went to the gym.

**Mr Hyena**

CT GAMER wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
Manchu wrote:Even if you do believe in retributive justice, how does ending a life justly repay a non-maiming wound?

Violence deserves a zero acceptance policy with the most extreme of measures.

I agree. So yes, Zimmerman should get the electric chair.

Wow look at this endless loop of illogic we are now trapped in...

Shame that Zimmerman has got more evidence on his side though.

That isnt hard when you kill the only other person involved.

Try to follow along.

History is written by the victor. Until there is any counter-evidence, Zimmerman is in the right.

**Hazardous Harry**

Mr Hyena wrote:

Exactly why Zimmerman is in the right. Also shame that the thug has no witnesses, no counter evidence, nothing.

No, it's exactly why Zimmerman is unlikely to go to jail. That doesn't mean he's in the right.

No matter what we fine citizens of Dakka decide, we can't lose sight of the fact a thug is dead.

Fixed for truth.

Depends on what you believe makes a person a thug. Does school truancy make him a thug, or do you need to be part of a gang? Or is it just the hoodie?

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Mr Hyena wrote:
History is written by the victor. Until there is any counter-evidence, Zimmerman is in the right.

You do understand that there's a difference between reality and history, right?

**Mr Hyena**

Depends on what you believe makes a person a thug. Does school truancy make him a thug, or do you need to be part of a gang? Or is it just the hoodie?

Starting a fist fight, a brawl of some kind. That is the purest, utter thuggery there is. School truancy isn't related. It just shows idiocy.

You do understand that there's a difference between reality and history, right?

Yup.

**CT GAMER**

I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

**Mr Hyena**

CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

**mattyrm**

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:

Exactly why Zimmerman is in the right. Also shame that the thug has no witnesses, no counter evidence, nothing.

No, it's exactly why Zimmerman is unlikely to go to jail. That doesn't mean he's in the right.

So why are you so certain he is in the wrong then? I mean, we could all be wrong right?

What if he really was being beaten up, so he panicked after several blows landed, and filled with adrenalin and fear grabbed his gun and shot him? Is that so wrong?

And being as the authorities didn't follow it up, don't you think that's actually more likely? I mean, they know more about crime scene investigation than you, shuma and Spike Lee right?

**Vaerros**

mattyrm wrote:I do think that people are making quick judgements from the safety of the internet as well btw.

If your a fat middle aged civvie who is unused to brawling, you have a firearm on you, and someone is beating you up, its perfectly reasonable to shoot them.

Not that Im saying thats what ahppened, I havent a clue and Ive not looked into it enough, as I said, I dont care enough to read too much at this point..

However, saying from the comfort of your chair "Ah! I wouldnt shoot him, Id just roll with the punch, tuck my chin in, and then follow it up with some punishing combinations!" is a bit ridiculous.

When untrained civvies are getting beaten, adrenalin and blind panic would have you shooting if you happened to be carrying a gun.

Well, unless you are hard as nails like me.. obviously I would just roll with the punch, tuck my chin in, and then follow it up with some punishing combinations!

Well, that rhetoric is certainly fascinating. When I got into guns, more experienced individuals I ran into would sometimes take me aside and express their belief that you'd better damn well be able to prove use of your weapon was a reasonable way to neutralize whatever threat you were facing.

In this case, I think we're dealing with an absence of information -- it's possible that Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was beating his head in -- it also appears possible that they were both wrestling around on the ground or what have you. It's certainly a tricky situation.

**Hazardous Harry**

Mr Hyena wrote:

Depends on what you believe makes a person a thug. Does school truancy make him a thug, or do you need to be part of a gang? Or is it just the hoodie?

Starting a fist fight, a brawl of some kind. That is the purest, utter thuggery there is. School truancy isn't related. It just shows idiocy.

So Zimmerman could very well be the thug here?

Would that mean the statement "Thug kills harmless kid" be more accurate?

**Mr Hyena**

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:

Depends on what you believe makes a person a thug. Does school truancy make him a thug, or do you need to be part of a gang? Or is it just the hoodie?

Starting a fist fight, a brawl of some kind. That is the purest, utter thuggery there is. School truancy isn't related. It just shows idiocy.

So Zimmerman could very well be the thug here?

Would that mean the statement "Thug kills harmless kid" be more accurate?

Nope, cause Zimmerman didn't start it. Theres also significant wounding on his head, indicating that Zimmerman was on the ground.

If your going to murder someone with a gun, why bother starting a fist fight first?

**Hazardous Harry**

mattyrm wrote:

And being as the authorities didn't follow it up, don't you think that's actually more likely? I mean, they know more about crime scene investigation than you, shuma and Spike Lee right?

But they did follow it up, and it was recommended that he should be arrested. And then someone in the DAs office decides it's not worth the bother, which is very shocking given how much dispute there is over the matter.

**CT GAMER**

Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

You have control of how you present yourself. So far you have chosen poorly...

**mattyrm**

Vaerros wrote:
In this case, I think we're dealing with an absence of information -- it's possible that Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was beating his head in -- it also appears possible that they were both wrestling around on the ground or what have you. It's certainly a tricky situation.

You hit the nail on the head old chap, and managed to explain it better in one sentence than I did in 100. There is no solid information, and the authorities didn't press, thus I find Shuma type levels of rage to be silly.

He might be a stone cold killer, he might not be at all, in such cases, I side with the authorities. We can but wait and see the outcome.

**Hazardous Harry**

Mr Hyena wrote:

Nope, cause Zimmerman didn't start it.

You don't know that.

Theres also significant wounding on his head, indicating that Zimmerman was on the ground.

So? Just because he was losing a fight doesn't mean he didn't start it.

If your going to murder someone with a gun, why bother starting a fist fight first?

Not every murder is premeditated. But if Zimmerman started the fight with Martin, then started to fear for his life and shoot him, then that is still murder.

**Mr Hyena**

CT GAMER wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

You have control of how you present yourself. So far you have chosen poorly...

Poorly? I dunno. That depends. Supporting the kid is supporting thuggery however, and that can't be accepted.

So? Just because he was losing a fight doesn't mean he didn't start it.

But there is evidence right on zimmerman's head that he was attacked. Without any evidence to prove that it was the thug, how can you assume it was zimmerman that attacked? The safest call here is to side with the most evidence, and that is Zimmerman's story.

**mattyrm**

Hazardous Harry wrote:
mattyrm wrote:

And being as the authorities didn't follow it up, don't you think that's actually more likely? I mean, they know more about crime scene investigation than you, shuma and Spike Lee right?

But they did follow it up, and it was recommended that he should be arrested. And then someone in the DAs office decides it's not worth the bother, which is very shocking given how much dispute there is over the matter.

Yeah and I reckon the DAs office staff are the top of their game, as opposed to a cop on the ground.. but yeah like I said, It could be either way, it just seems silly to display the certainty you seem to in light of all these events.

**alarmingrick**

Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

You're giving us much else to base that belief on.
Before I send you off to ignore land, can you tell me what exactly is it that makes him a thug?
1) He's black
2) His age
3) The Skittles and Tea
4) The fact he was killed(ie he didn't win the fight)
Please feel free to select all that apply and any I may have missed.

**Mr Hyena**

alarmingrick wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

You're giving us much else to base that belief on.
Before I send you off to ignore land, can you tell me what exactly is it that makes him a thug?
1) He's black
2) His age
3) The Skittles and Tea
4) The fact he was killed(ie he didn't win the fight)
Please feel free to select all that apply and any I may have missed.

He started a fight. Thats it pure and simple.

**alarmingrick**

Mr Hyena wrote:But there is evidence right on zimmerman's head that he was attacked.

I think Mr. Martin's wounds proved worse.

**Hazardous Harry**

mattyrm wrote:

Yeah and I reckon the DAs office staff are the top of their game, as opposed to a cop on the ground.. but yeah like I said, It could be either way, it just seems silly to display the certainty you seem to in light of all these events.

You might be on to something there if there was absolutely no dispute about the case. For example, if Martin broke into Zimmerman's house wielding a machete and Zimmerman gunned him down, I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if he wasn't arrested.

But in this case, with this evidence, and Zimmerman's side of the story being in dispute, to not have him arrested looks like a massive cock up on the DAs side of things.

**CT GAMER**

Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

You have control of how you present yourself. So far you have chosen poorly...

Poorly? I dunno. That depends. Supporting the kid is supporting thuggery however, and that can't be accepted.

I'm not listening to or commenting on the specifics of your moronic ramblings so you can save them.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had to be a bored kid caught up in the rush of trying to be an internet tough guy.

If you are an adult that is even worse...

Please consider editing your posts, you sound ridiculous even by dakka's impressive trolling standards.

**Mr Hyena**

alarmingrick wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:But there is evidence right on zimmerman's head that he was attacked.

I think Mr. Martin's wounds proved worse.

That he was shot? Seems fair for attacking someone.

**alarmingrick**

Mr Hyena wrote:
alarmingrick wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
I pray that sooner rather than later your parents check up on what you are doing in your room and take your computer away...

Ah, classy. Assume the other side is a child.

You're giving us much else to base that belief on.
Before I send you off to ignore land, can you tell me what exactly is it that makes him a thug?
1) He's black
2) His age
3) The Skittles and Tea
4) The fact he was killed(ie he didn't win the fight)
Please feel free to select all that apply and any I may have missed.

He started a fight. Thats it pure and simple.

And you know that HE started it how exactly? Where you there?

**Hazardous Harry**

Mr Hyena wrote:

But there is evidence right on zimmerman's head that he was attacked. Without any evidence to prove that it was the thug, how can you assume it was zimmerman that attacked? The safest call here is to side with the most evidence, and that is Zimmerman's story.

Only because he killed the only other guy who can definitely say different. How are you not getting that?

**Mr Hyena**

And you know that HE started it how exactly? Where you there?

I'm going by who has the most evidence for his side.

There is more evidence in Zimmerman's side than the thug. How can people not get this? Are people actually suggesting he should be found guilty on no basis? Give him a trial all you want, but its gonna just end up the same way if professionals can't see any different outcome.

**CT GAMER**

Mr Hyena wrote:

And you know that HE started it how exactly? Where you there?

I'm going by who has the most evidence for his side.

There is more evidence in Zimmerman's side than the thug. How can people not get this? Are people actually suggesting he should be found guilty on no basis?

And ignore...

**alarmingrick**

Mr Hyena wrote:

And you know that HE started it how exactly? Where you there?

I'm going by who has the most evidence for his side.

There is more evidence in Zimmerman's side than the thug. How can people not get this? Are people actually suggesting he should be found guilty on no basis? Give him a trial all you want, but its gonna just end up the same way if professionals can't see any different outcome.

There's a kid in the ground. HOW ARE YOU NOT GETTING THIS?
And since you must have evidence we haven't seen, please share.
If I recall correctly, there hasn't been a trial yet, so how have you seen all the evidence?

**Mr Hyena**

alarmingrick wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:

And you know that HE started it how exactly? Where you there?

I'm going by who has the most evidence for his side.

There is more evidence in Zimmerman's side than the thug. How can people not get this? Are people actually suggesting he should be found guilty on no basis? Give him a trial all you want, but its gonna just end up the same way if professionals can't see any different outcome.

There's a kid in the ground. HOW ARE YOU NOT GETTING THIS?
And since you must have evidence we haven't seen, please share.
If I recall correctly, there hasn't been a trial yet, so how have you seen all the evidence?

Because the DA thinks its a no-go. Thats pretty telling.