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While I'm not a VC player, my friend is and as he's new to both WHFB and VC we've been trying to help him out.

How big are skeleton units normally run at? 30 seems a tad small, but 40 for the 5x8 also seems a tad expensive. Is it more of a preference thing?

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Regardless there are times in battle i wished i had parry but there are times i wished i had spears too. Theres are hypotheticals that show scenarios were both shine.

This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. I believe it actually came down to even less skeletons than that - something like a difference of 1 (in favor of parry, IIRC). The difference in the math is obviously very small. Again, that wasn't the debate - no one was debating the math. We were trying to debate tactics, and the crux of the argument was thus: skeletons work best as a tarpit unit. The single most important aspect of a tarpit unit is durability. Therefore, anything that increases durability should take priority during list building. No, it does not matter that the difference is only 1. What matters is that the greatest point efficiency is achieved when units are used for the purpose for which they are best suited. Skeletons are best suited to the purpose of tarpitting, and as durability is the priority of tarpits, you achieve the greatest efficiency with your skeletons both tactically and in list building when you purchase them and kit them for this purpose. That DOES NOT MEAN that you CAN'T use them for other purposes occasionally. It just means that if you want the MOST success more OFTEN then you should be looking for point efficiency.

This whole debate would be like if you came on here and started talking about how you found a way to tarpit with Vargheists, and showed math that supported the assertion that, in certain situations, backed up by the right supporting units and magic, Vargheists are really good at tarpitting, and that people shouldn't discount them as tarpits. You then go on to say that you've effectively used them as tarpits in many of your games. We don't need math to know that Vargheists are more efficient while performing other tasks and that, tactically, it might be a bad idea to use them as tarpits if you have to dump so many other resources into making that particular strategy work.

Cryonicleech wrote:While I'm not a VC player, my friend is and as he's new to both WHFB and VC we've been trying to help him out.

How big are skeleton units normally run at? 30 seems a tad small, but 40 for the 5x8 also seems a tad expensive. Is it more of a preference thing?

I use a unit of 40. I wouldn't use less without a necromancer with Master of the Dead.

Ur right tan. Now i remember. Giving them a parry makes them more durable which is what they are better suited for.


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I think the debate is over

Good to have you back after the holidays regardless.

Thanks tan. Happy new year!

I read threw most of the debate. The one thing that I did not see is that the VC army really works in a combo fashion. So with that thought, corpse cart will make them just as good as high elf spearmen. I think just on that note, they are far better than the sword board combo.

Lichbone pennat combo with a 4 up ward makes a necro that much hard to kill.