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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There wasn't a lot of us Daemonhunters-players before Codex: Grey Knights, now there's loads (which is good, don't get me wrong). Same thing probably applies to Sisters; I know I'd play them if they had an accessible Codex and didn't cost a small fortune.

That and GW fethed up the allies matrix so my Templars and any Sisters I'd ally in wouldn't work very well, which is a shame.

True to that, I love the sisters, but to play them would cost WAY too much, especially being in Australia and them being order only...


From the what I've heard, Sisters should be out late 2013-late 2014, 2015 at the latest.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

The only way that their a new Sisters of Battle release would be a success is if they were one of the most ridiculously overpowered armies to date. (See Grey Knights)

Also I like the idea of Imperial Crusade containing Sisters of Battle and Black Templars. Of course you'll have to change the background but let's not pretend like that stands in the way of anything. (See Necrons)

One less Imperial codex

The problem is not an excess of imperial codexes, it's an excess of space marine codexes. Making a "Space Marines with a side of girls" codex doesn't sound like a useful response to me... As someone said above, expanding the role of the Eccelsiarchy and including more units should do the trick just fine. Marines are the single most over represented unit on the table, and I don't see that they add much of interest to the Sisters.

If they made Codex: Eccelsiarchy or something similar, I would be really happy.

It would be something like 95% SoB, 3% Priests, 1.5% Frateris Militia, 0.5% Red Redemptionist.

Well, at least, that's how I imagine it...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
If they made Codex: Eccelsiarchy or something similar, I would be really happy.

It would be something like 95% SoB, 3% Priests, 1.5% Frateris Militia, 0.5% Red Redemptionist.

Well, at least, that's how I imagine it...

It should be similar to the grey knight ratio to inquisition in the grey knight codex.

 The Sarducci wrote:
You are looking at this the wrong way. Look at what we do have over other armies. Why would you want new models? I like the old metals over resin and plastics for many reasons. They have a better center of gravity, they can be restripped easily, they are easier to convert, and when you throw them at your opponent you can do real damage. Try that with a plastic space marine or a resin ork. Plus, we have easy to assemble models. A drop of glue on the base and backpack, and DONE. No more spending weeks on multipart models to get a unit done, no more glue on your fingers, and no more figuring out what to arm your model with. In addition, the average boltgun toting sister only has 3 real poses, with slight variations (bolter angled up, down, or level, helmet or not, etc..). After about 120 or so girls I can now paint sisters like the wind. Another benefit is we, and our opponents, easily know what we are armed with. No guessing. Lets see a mob of orks do that. Plus, we Sisters player have the advantage of surprise. Since our models are harder to find and more expensive, there are fewer of us, and we tend be be hardcore and stubborn. There are usually only 1 or 2 Sisters players at most stores, so no one can accuse us of playing the flavor of the month cookie cutter army. Very few opponents play against us often enough to know all of our surprises. And since we are stubbornly still playing sisters, we have years, if not over a decade (14 years for me) of experience with them. We, on average, tend to be substantially better then most players. Finally, who wants to buy a new codex every few years. I bought one in 98, and another in 06. Toss in a White Dwarf list in 01 and 12, and that's plenty. Besides, we all know that a codex is a crutch for weak players.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't mind a new unit or two. I picked up a Forge World Avenger and an Aegis Defense Line. I just don't want to give up all we have for a few new models that probably won't look all that good and still cost way too much.

Rant over. I'm going to take my meds and take a nap until Saturday.

:: kneels in worship ::

Thank you for this post... Thank you so much.

As it happens, a passing curiosity as to whether the most recent Codex had been put up on the GW site yet quickly led me into a short rant to my friend about the lack of love from GW for my favored army. I am one to wallow in sorrow, so I sought out the forums of Dakka to find others who share my lament.

I... I must admit, I did not expect to find your words of hope here. But I did. At first, I was poised to reply, to regale you with a tale of when my gaming spirit was broken, on these very forums, after weeks of encountering nothing but dislike for the treatment of the Adeptas Sororitas.

However, as I continued to read, I remembered why I was not upset with what we received at first. My hope was renewed, my spirit mended somewhat.

I believe that many who feel as though they have been trod upon could heed your words.

:: huggles ::

Edit: However, I do have a selfish motive for longing for plastic Battle Sister models. That being that I'd love to bastardize one with either a scaly or a furry head and tail. : D

Edit again! : D : In response to:

 Still Standing wrote:
Even back when they sold the boxes in the shops they were useless. Still had to buy a model (or convert) to be your VSS, then a Heavy Flamer and a Melta Gun from elsewhere. Add in a Rhino and you were talking 50-60 for a single 209 point Troop choice... I can't even imagine how much they cost now.

Sisters are not Grenadiers or Storm Troopers. They are Sisters of Battle, the most elite fighting force the Imperium can muster, outside of the Astartes themselves.

Depended what you did with them.

I just used the boxed sets as-is. So my Sisters squads had a Veteran Superior with a plasma pistol and chainsword, and the squad had a flamer and a stormbolter. They also tended to be on foot, because I was loathe to use transports for some reason. Still am. Would rather spend the points on more boots or battle tanks or something. Regardless of how useful it actually was, it just felt like a waste to spend an additional 33% of a squad's points on a transport.

Also, I thought it was nifty how if you went with only the WYSIWYG options - of course including the upgrade to Veteran Superior to use the plasma pistol - for the boxed Battle Sister Squads, it came out to exactly 150 points for the squad. It's almost like they planned it that way...

Those boxes used to cost 50 dollars from GW. I'd probably have gotten into Sisters years earlier, except that a box of Tactical Marines cost about 35 dollars, and the Sororitas cost 50 for the same number of models. So it was kinda a no-brainer for me as a 14 year old with a modest allowance. A few years later, after I was getting back into the hobby, I saw those boxes of Sororitas at the same price, saw that Tactical Marines were up to 42 dollars per box, and suddenly I could stomach the cost. Now I have about 2500 points worth of Sisters of Battle that I could and would legally field, and.... I can't really thing of anything else I'd want. I don't think I've bought anything for them since I gave my Saint Celestine an angel wing backpack from the Sanguinary Guard kit. Before that, probably the Exorcist and "Uriah-bomb" I bought just after the most recent Codex. Though I did just get a KR case with half trays for my Sororitas, if that counts.

There's just not enough that I would use that I don't already have. ^^ I play 1,000 point games now, up from 750, down from the 1500 I used to play before that - those games would take about a week to play because my opponent and I are slow gamers, she plays Orks, we play an hour at a time, and we constantly look up rules because I don't remember specifics, I REALLY don't remember precise wording, and she has all sorts of memory issues - but not Alzheimer's; she's been tested for that -- and I don't need more Sisters with bolters cause I have at least 40 of them, I have 5 flamers, 4 meltaguns, 4 heavy bolters (those are my favorite Sororitas models), 2 heavy flamers, 2 multi-meltas, 2 Immolators, 1 Rhino, 1 Exorcist (And an Immolator can double as an Exorcist with a Whirlwind turret with a few permanent modifications to the turret ring), a Battle Conclave (planning on getting some Arco-Flagellants, gonna use Witch Elves from the WHFB range to keep that all-female thing going, and to keep things in order I use the actual Death-Cult Assassin models as DCAs, since I like those models), Uriah, Celestine, 2 Canonesses with different weapons, 2 Penitent Engines held together with massive amounts of green stuff and superglue (Would REALLY love plastic Penitent Engines...)

Wait, what was my original topic? I don't even remember....

I still to this day use the stormbolter sisters as my superiors. The stormbolter makes a convincing combi weapon. So those 10 girl boxes the only model I had to replace was the VSS with a heavy flamer. Though I use to run my squads flamer/heavy flamer/combi flamer. because it was the best use of their faith ability. I left the melta to my dominions and celestian squads.

Made those 10 girl boxes a good buy for bulking out the army. I probably got 3 of them.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
I still to this day use the stormbolter sisters as my superiors. The stormbolter makes a convincing combi weapon. So those 10 girl boxes the only model I had to replace was the VSS with a heavy flamer. Though I use to run my squads flamer/heavy flamer/combi flamer. because it was the best use of their faith ability. I left the melta to my dominions and celestian squads.

Made those 10 girl boxes a good buy for bulking out the army. I probably got 3 of them.

Wow... I was totally gonna use the stormbolter-toting models as Superiors last year. But I was gonna use the stormbolters as stormbolters, not combi-weapons, cause I'd just forget two things about them. Well, okay, three. First, that they're combi-weapons. Second, which ones I've fired off so far. And third, which one I marked down as firing is in which squad. I play my games over a few nights, though, not all at once, so it's harder for me to remember. But mainly, it never occurred to me to use stormbolters as combi-weapons.

And I had a crazy thought tonight before I came in here again. I was thinking of taking a Dominion Squad and loading them down with Stormbolters, then kinda shooting up the Orks I play against at range. It'd have the same firepower at 24" that a basic 10-girl Battle Sisters squad would, and half of that at half-range (cause the Battle Sisters would get to double-tap with their boltguns, whereas Stormbolters are Assault weapons) so it wouldn't be all that effective, but I don't play competitively and I like the idea. Maybe I just don't like that sad feeling I get when I go through my case to get some models out, and see the Stormbolter-wielding models sitting in the same compartments that they haven't left for over a year.

 Pouncey wrote:
Wow... I was totally gonna use the stormbolter-toting models as Superiors last year. But I was gonna use the stormbolters as stormbolters, not combi-weapons, cause I'd just forget two things about them. Well, okay, three. First, that they're combi-weapons. Second, which ones I've fired off so far. And third, which one I marked down as firing is in which squad. I play my games over a few nights, though, not all at once, so it's harder for me to remember. But mainly, it never occurred to me to use stormbolters as combi-weapons.

This is actually a rather easy conversion. You chop half the barrel and put a plasma pistol tip on the end. It makes it a side-by-side combi-weapon instead of an over-under.

And I had a crazy thought tonight before I came in here again. I was thinking of taking a Dominion Squad and loading them down with Stormbolters, then kinda shooting up the Orks I play against at range. It'd have the same firepower at 24" that a basic 10-girl Battle Sisters squad would, and half of that at half-range (cause the Battle Sisters would get to double-tap with their boltguns, whereas Stormbolters are Assault weapons) so it wouldn't be all that effective, but I don't play competitively and I like the idea. Maybe I just don't like that sad feeling I get when I go through my case to get some models out, and see the Stormbolter-wielding models sitting in the same compartments that they haven't left for over a year.

Instead, think of what 4 flamers and a combi-flamer can do when twin linked.

Just finished a local tournament with sisters and did quite well. I find them very competitive and fun to play.

 Necrosis wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Imo, sisters simply do not appeal to your typical (war)gamer...normally, in games, in order to appeal to customers, women have to sexualized in some way. They have to be attractive and wham, men like them.

So what your saying is GW should make plastic sisters that look attractive? I'm down for that.

that would probably make me like them alot more TBH

the current angry bondage lesbos thing they have going on ATM is not doing them any favors

maybe they should be changed more into hot assassins.

more ninja, less space marine.

I'm still waiting on plastic sisters. But we'll have to sit through three more waves of marines to get to them

My dream army has always been some sort of inquisition force hence I'm mostly GK but I really really always wanted to do a GK + sisters alliance. I definately had a few hours of rage time when I found out that they weren't battle brothers but meh, I'm still doing it. I got a good paying job now so I'm heavily trying to decide if I want to go get the metal sisters (I want all of them with helmets darn it, I dislike the bobcut, give me some ponytail models or something) Already gave in trying to wait and got me some 20 repentia to work on my color scheme..... or hold out and see if they have some plastic sisters by this summer.

After reading though this long thread and the locked one in the rumor mill, I'm not sure I want to wait around more at this point. Just really hate the face sculpts from GW so far for most of the sisters. Other than that, I'd get a bunch of them right now!

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

You still miss the point. I called it from the beginning, that the trolls would come here and derail this thread with personal attacks on me, instead of just accepting or disagreeing the ideas that were presented. It became about me, rather than my ideas. Is it fun to poke back a bit at the end? Of course it is. After all, I was never the instigator. I can't help being better educated on the subject than people who want to troll the thread. Maybe you trolls need to go for some more schooling. The only reason I bring up my background is that people know what it is, and still throw themselves on their swords at my feet by making heavily flawed arguments they can never hope to win with, and attacking me as the source.

Still waiting for a reply:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
And now the petty personal attacks come barreling in.
Like I said, it's awesome to be right every time.

Acting rudely and condescendingly tends to piss people off. You may want to dial the superior tone back a bit if you want people to take you seriously.

Back on topic, Grey Knights were all metal and just as old as Codex: Witch Hunters and yet Grey Knights sold incredibly well.

Nope.

The army was a dumb idea and with time as my witness, GW agrees. Unless they see a colossal surge in sales or GW revamps the army as part of a completely new direction for the franchise, then I see only recession and obscurity in their future. I don't necessarily think its good or just for a codex like this to go away, in the same way as I think the squats were unfairly killed off. But that said I still think they were both silly ideas that are kinda irrelevant.

All in all I think their place in history should be next to the delorian and the HD-DVD, a neat idea... but still kinda dumb.

Not so sure that GW will agree with you. A number of armies were rumored to be erased only to be updated. DE is the biggest example. Hopefully GW will update SoB but I hope to see some xenos love for all the flavors of SM to fight y'know? I will say this, I bought some metal Sisters for an all Sisters WH army and hope they run more of an Ecc. approach when they get a codex for 6th. I like how AoF work but hope they change up the powers for some units. Especially that one for cc, sheesh. But I do love the one for Repentia; it's like a last middle finger to the enemy.

I think evry person who I have known wanting to play sisters has been waiting for them to be updated, and off corse everyone now has left 40k completely :p other then myself.
Codex update would be nice but at this point they need new models if I was to consider them.

With GW timescale I expect them sometime after I have quit again.

I am hanging in and hoping hey get done but the prices rises are putting me off.........still I still have over a hundred sisters nicely painted - worse comes to worse - I'll convert rules for another system...............or just proxy them as Marines...........

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Still waiting for a reply:

Let it go.

@bibblles: That's certainly one way to look at it. The other way is that they aren't a dumb idea, but a great idea that captured the imagination of many 40k players over the years and have made for some really great, beautiful and dynamic armies.

 pretre wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Still waiting for a reply:

Let it go.

@bibblles: That's certainly one way to look at it. The other way is that they aren't a dumb idea, but a great idea that captured the imagination of many 40k players over the years and have made for some really great, beautiful and dynamic armies.

This

From everyone that I spoke to about my sisters army at tournaments and such, all of them cited the fact that it's an all-metal, direct-only army as reasons for them to never try it.

If there was a plastic kit for basic sisters like there is for marines, I'm positive more people in my area would've made armies.

Indeed - even on ebay its hard to get them at reasonable prices............

Swap shop is the best spot. Aim for 50% off retail.

Thanks I will check it out - have got quite a few having picked up a very nicely painted full army but always on the look out for more

 bibblles wrote:
All in all I think their place in history should be next to the delorian and the HD-DVD, a neat idea... but still kinda dumb.

As a Sisters of Battle player and a DeLorean owner, I respectfully disagree. I've dropped thousands of dollars on the metal SoB range because I do like how the current models look and I prefer to work with metal over plastic. I cannot see how a Necron/GK/DE revamp with plastics will fail to do the Sisters good overall. Sisters bring much to the table now in 6th, especially as allies for many armies. How many more of those armies would include Sisters if they had a plastic Exorcist kit or plastic St. Celestine and Seraphim? The availability (or rather the lack thereof) of the current rules for the SoB do them no help either. I fully expect that when Sisters of Battle do get their release, they will become the "flavor of the month" and sell well enough. GK make a perfect example of this. Prior to their relaunch, I knew of one (1!) GK player, and that wasn't even in my area. After their new codex came out, GK's were outnumbering SM in my area. GW has to do something with the SoB line since they are supposedly not going to discontinue any more armies. Why not give them the same treatment as the other 3rd Edition ranges and redo them for the current edition?

I'm expecting a sister of battle release by the end of 2013. Weather it just be some plastic/fine cast or an entire new codex with new models. Their are a few sources now saying sisters of battle may be coming out in the end of 2013. Other armies have waited loner (dark eldar). In fact I'm pretty confident we will get something that if the sisters of battle don't get anything by 2013 I will give away my entire sister of battle army.

End of 2013? I'll take that bet. Loser posts in his sig.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Still waiting for a reply:

Because you needed personal attention for validation? Here you go. Here's your reply.


Good lord dude. You could have read one of my replies to almost identical statements, and have applied it to yours. I wasn't ignoring you because you made some fantastic and insightful observation. Your statement was redundant.


Look, I understand you didn't enjoy my good natured joke about the Black Templars, and then were angry that you guys didn't have enough relevant knowledge to refute it once I explained the basis for the joke. I make fun of all the factions. Including the ones I play. But that's because I don't take plastic toy soldiers so seriously. But you guys attacked me, just as the Sisters players here did. You call me rude and condescending for firing back? Good lord. I wish I lived in whatever alternate reality you guys do, lol. I don't get into arguments I can't win. If you come unprepared, and then get snippy when you're frustrated, it's not my fault if I'm better at being snippy and sarcastic than you are. Live with it, or don't poke at the wrong people.

Stating that you win an argument doesn't make it so, especially given the gak storm that you personally started in this thread and others.

Ignoring the flamebait within the post..

I'd love to see a combination of all three books faiths to be honest.

Give them a single, unique act of faith *White Dwarf*, but there would be minor acts of faith that can be used by all units *Witch Hunters* with Priests and HQ's granting Sacred Rites to units they join, or within their radius *Second Edition*

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Still waiting for a reply:

Because you needed personal attention for validation? Here you go. Here's your reply.


Good lord dude. You could have read one of my replies to almost identical statements, and have applied it to yours. I wasn't ignoring you because you made some fantastic and insightful observation. Your statement was redundant.


Look, I understand you didn't enjoy my good natured joke about the Black Templars, and then were angry that you guys didn't have enough relevant knowledge to refute it once I explained the basis for the joke. I make fun of all the factions. Including the ones I play. But that's because I don't take plastic toy soldiers so seriously. But you guys attacked me, just as the Sisters players here did. You call me rude and condescending for firing back? Good lord. I wish I lived in whatever alternate reality you guys do, lol. I don't get into arguments I can't win. If you come unprepared, and then get snippy when you're frustrated, it's not my fault if I'm better at being snippy and sarcastic than you are. Live with it, or don't poke at the wrong people.

No, really, you didn't refute the point at all. There were almost no Daemonhunters players. With a new book and plastic models interest in them exploded.

I couldn't care less if you made a joke about whatever, and I don't care about personal attention. What does annoy me is when someone completely ignores points that don't fit his or her point of view and then has the massive hubris to declare themselves better than everyone else. Since I was clearly ignored the first time I'll ask again: please, have some modesty. Even if I don't agree with your position I, or anyone else for that matter, don't declare myself superior by merit of me saying so. If you can't see how this makes people upset then I can't really do much in this thread.

EDIT: On a second readthrough, it appears as if the issue is that you and Lynata don't see eye to eye. The resultant fight sees you attack anyone who disagrees with you, claiming that they use you as a proxy to vent their rage against GW while basing this on absolutely nothing. You're arguably correct in that you didn't throw the first stone (a few snide remarks in your first post, but nothing too serious), but you sure as hell overreacted and started flinging stones at EVERYONE.