What Fictional Universe could ever defeat 40k?

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**SkyD**

Legion of Flame wrote:

Yeah, then somebody would just detonate a cyclonic torpedo right next to him, and he can't deflect flames.

They are metal torpedos delivered from orbit which explode on impact. (They must be contained in order to be transported). Given they are metal, anyone with the telekinetic or magnetic powers can simply stop them mid-air in which case they never impact and never go off. The only race that doesn't rely on metal are the Eldar races. They have special plastic.

**Peregrine**

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
I am pretty sure Chaos Gods are not that stupid to let mere mortals manipulate them against each-other, they were after all able to manipulate Primarchs and Eldar who are one of the most powerful and prosperous beings in 40k universe.

A Mind is to a mere mortal as a human genius is to a rock. You're talking about a being that simulates entire universes as light entertainment.

Besides, Chaos can corrupt machines as well as mortal flesh. They generate enormous Warp storm and corrupt everything inside, machine and flesh. Even in all out war Culture and everyone else would lose because no matter how much they throw at Chaos they would just made it stronger. In the end Chaos would win even against hem.
In the end Culture would become Chaos, all it's machines and living beings, because no technology can fight against Chaos magic ( just ask Death Guard for that ).

Except that Chaos can't even deal with the things that already exist in 40k. Over and over again they're killed by mere Imperial forces, and they don't magically corrupt every space marine to stop the attack. It's absolutely insane to assume that they'd magically win against unbelievably more powerful opposition simply because they're Chaos. It only happens if you ignore two fatal problems:

1) Chaos can't corrupt everything by brute force. Tau, Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons don't care about it, and both varieties of space elves are good at resisting it. In fact the only things that DO suffer from Chaos corruption are humans and human-made technology.

2) Chaos has nothing to offer a Mind. You're talking about a being with vastly more power than anything in 40k, that only bothers to stick around in the physical universe because it feels a moral obligation to help others. A Chaos god offering it power in exchange for worship would be an absolute joke.

**Hive Fleet Lazarus**

doc1234 wrote:
Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
Me for the really random barely known reference
The universe of Simon R Green
They had access to a weapon called the deplorable end. It was held outside of reality and could be pointed at an entire universe. They universe was then destroyed.
Or just pull things from the deathstalker era like Shub, sleepers, transmutation engines, survivors of the madness maze. They would tear through 40K like butter.

Or just arm John Taylor with the Speaking gun and let him improvise suddenly, violently and all over the place Set Razor Eddie Into the warp to do "Distressing things" to yet more gods. Not forgetting Johns "mummy dearest" who more than likey MADE a few chaos gods at the start along with the rest of her brood. Damn id forgotten how over the top Green's books were And thats before we get into the REALLY over the top characters.

Also Walker could just go around with his Voice. Yeah, green has some really powerful characters.

**Savageconvoy**

Any fictional universe that came into contact with the 40K universe would be instantly deadlocked as they found their timeline and plot permanently frozen.

**Ninjacommando**

I think the common Sci-Fi universes would lose pretty badly Star Wars, Star Trek, Halo, star craft. I think someone said gurren lagann, yeah they won't lose to anyone cause of spiral power and the ability to believe.

"Listen Simon... Don't forget. Believe in yourself. Not in the you who believes in me. Not the me who believes in you. Believe in the you who believes in yourself"

Then there is Evangelion universe which could win against the 40k universe, AT shields making them invincible, or they could Orange Tang all the humans everywhere (that includes Space marines/chaos inflicted ones) which would cause the Emperor to die and the starchild to appear and Neutralize the chaos gods allowing the current pilot of said evangelion the ability to start creation over again (draw).

Marvel universe has a lot of strong points but at some point or another the top tier characters get beaten by lesser characters.

DC same as above

The Dune Universe I’m not to sure about.

I honestly don't know that much about the Marvel universe and would like some input on that universe.

**Jaon**

Any universe who tried to fight the 40k universe would instantly suffer downpowering by the inevitable codex creep of Mat Ward.

But in all seriousness. Theres people here....saying batman...what?

I also see a lot of people saying one Culture ship could do it. I know the Culture has Gridfire and all that shaz, but would ONE really stand the firepower from the billions of warships that 40K united could bring to bear? Not to mention all 4 chaos gods, bending reality and the fates to doom the ship before it ever stood a chance.

**timetowaste85**

SkyD wrote:
I'd say 40k would lose to a number, it has a lot of flaws.

Emperor dies- No more Imperium, no more warp travel for Imperial forces.
Warp closed- No more Chaos, no 40k psychic powers, no more warp travel. (Webway might also cease to function).
Space Marine in Terminator armour knocked off his feet- Can't get up.
Space Marine in Power armour- Needs to roll to the front to get up, if back pack is damaged Power Armour powers down, if ruptured back pack blows up killing everything within X distance.
Kill the humans- Chaos gets weaker.

Other than the Dark/Eldar every other race has slow transportation between battle fields. Chances are the Eldar would retreat to the Webway and stay there til its over with.

40k is also full of idiots who fail to understand that they merely need to fire a 2nd shot a split second later at anything with a void shield. They drop after being hit with a Titan weapon. They need to re-established after that and they also don't protect if anything gets within the shield itself.

Given 40k psychic powers are a mutation related thing as well then 40k powers can be turned off by anything which can manipulate the area, Force Users, Marvel Psychics, Magic Users, Nanotech, etc.
If someone protected Magneto from energy attacks (Las weapons) then he could easily defeat most of the Imperium alone.

Why does Magneto need somebody to protect him? He's got a forcefield. Give him Fabien Cortez to boost his powers, and he can wipe out everything that comes after him in a nano-second. Course, he'd likely die shortly after from wearing himself out, but if he took out everything that 40k sent at him that included metal...well, I'd say the rest of the Marvel heroes and aliens could finish the job with relative ease.

**Ninjacommando**

What if the Space marines attack him with a wooden gun?

**timetowaste85**

Space Marines probably have iron in their blood-under normal conditions, outside of the movies, Magneto hasn't done anything with these trace amounts of blood iron, but with Cortez's help, he could probably manipulate it with ease and tear the marines apart. And what is this wooden gun going to shoot? More wood? Will these Space Marine be wearing armor? Because their armor is partially comprised of adamantium. And we all know Magneto lllllllloves adamantium.

**Peregrine**

Jaon wrote:
I also see a lot of people saying one Culture ship could do it. I know the Culture has Gridfire and all that shaz, but would ONE really stand the firepower from the billions of warships that 40K united could bring to bear?

Yes. There was a battle between thousands of lower-technology ships and a single Culture ship in one of the books. It could have just hijacked all their computers simultaneously and self destructed them all, but it decided to effortlessly kill them with other weapons because it would be more fun. Add in the fact that starship combat in the Culture universe happens at insanely high FTL speeds and over tiny fractions of a second and the entire Imperial Navy would explode before its commander could even say the 'F' in 'FIRE!".

Not that they would even get a chance to speak, of course, since the microseconds-long "battle" would consist of the Culture ship doing a drive-by at thousands of times the speed of light far outside 40k weapon range.

Not to mention all 4 chaos gods, bending reality and the fates to doom the ship before it ever stood a chance.

Which they've failed to do so far in 40k?

**Ninjacommando**

I was kind of going for this

**timetowaste85**

Ninjacommando wrote:
I was kind of going for this

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Where did you drag that up from? That's pretty close to the worst super hero cartoon I've ever seen. Sadly, when Magneto was first created, he was similar to this, but he'd still have access to his forcefield, and by rights, should have been able to shield himself and fly away. Of course, the FF had to win, so they skipped that part. However, his powers have evolved a lot, and had he been in this situation, he'd use magnetic currents to shatter the gun, rather than manipulate it, or escape. Or if there was any metal nearby, he'd attack Reed with it. That scene would play out a lot differently in comics outside of the 60s. Also, cartoons were non-canon. But that was quite a good laugh. Please, bury it though-it scares me that Marvel cartoons were once that bad.

**Ninjacommando**

aahh cartoons of the 60's/70's if you want worse look up 60's Spiderman, but anyways yea I know as time goes on characters powers change greatly.

Not to mention all 4 chaos gods, bending reality and the fates to doom the ship before it ever stood a chance.

Which they've failed to do so far in 40k?

The only problem is that if the Chaos gods win.. they lose. I forgot which book it is but it exsplains that the Alpha legion joined horus to guarantee that horus would win and cause humanity to die out within a few generations taking the 4 chaos gods with them, though it didn't turn out this way.

**UnadoptedPuppy**

Nobody knows what the Cylons have been up to all these years...

**Freman Bloodglaive**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Space Marines probably have iron in their blood-under normal conditions, outside of the movies, Magneto hasn't done anything with these trace amounts of blood iron, but with Cortez's help, he could probably manipulate it with ease and tear the marines apart. And what is this wooden gun going to shoot? More wood? Will these Space Marine be wearing armor? Because their armor is partially comprised of adamantium. And we all know Magneto lllllllloves adamantium.

Uncanny X-Men 304 I think it was, the funeral of Illyana. Magneto turned up and used the iron in everyone's blood to immobilise them, and kept doing so until Bishop absorbed enough of the energy to break free.

**doc1234**

Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
Me for the really random barely known reference
The universe of Simon R Green
They had access to a weapon called the deplorable end. It was held outside of reality and could be pointed at an entire universe. They universe was then destroyed.
Or just pull things from the deathstalker era like Shub, sleepers, transmutation engines, survivors of the madness maze. They would tear through 40K like butter.

Or just arm John Taylor with the Speaking gun and let him improvise suddenly, violently and all over the place Set Razor Eddie Into the warp to do "Distressing things" to yet more gods. Not forgetting Johns "mummy dearest" who more than likey MADE a few chaos gods at the start along with the rest of her brood. Damn id forgotten how over the top Green's books were And thats before we get into the REALLY over the top characters.

Also Walker could just go around with his Voice. Yeah, green has some really powerful characters.

Or even taylor after he becomes walker. Jessica Sorrow could probably unbelieve a good chunk of the 40k-verse before anyone could stop her too.

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Ninjacommando wrote:
aahh cartoons of the 60's/70's if you want worse look up 60's Spiderman, but anyways yea I know as time goes on characters powers change greatly.

60s spiderman?

Sorry couldnt resist.

Same could be said both sides though, a massive change like say another universe attacking the 40kverse would probably be enough of a big thing to at least nudge the plot along a bit, and who knows what would change.