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because he needed too lose . if he was still around there would be order not chaos. the chaos gods want it the way it is now . chaotic.

 Galdos wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
So you are distinguishing between Chaos and Horus? That's not a bad point. Horus was used by Chaos -- I wonder to what extent Horus was even aware of Chaos.

He knew he had support but ya I wonder how much support he realized he had.

After all, he knew Fulgrim was a daemon and the Death Guard are all Plague Marines but Horus never seemed to acknowledge them.

I think Horus was very aware of Chaos, as the Heresy progressed Erebus was not the only one to have the denizens of the warp reveal secrets to him. I think the problem for Horus was holding on to his rebellion and remaining its leader. The Chaos Gods had there own plans for the way they wanted things to work out and Lorgar seems to have gone along with this and Horus second. The end of Fear to Tread seems to be Horus, having lost some control, attempting to regain his authority and saying, I am the architect of this war, not the Dark Gods. By the end of the Hersey he seems to have lost himself fully to their influence however, only being released in his final moments.

Horus seems to be little more than a pawn, with the Chaos Gods recognising his ability to unite his brothers, but Lorgar the true benefactor of the outcome of the Heresy. Whether it was the one he wanted or not we don't know, I don't believe it was hence his seclusion on Sicarus.

Having to be master to the likes of Angron and Perturabo must have been in itself a challenge.

Also on How did Horus lose? He didn't have Dorn on his team, that's how

Zanderchief wrote:
I am sure this kind of thing has been discussed before but I can't figure it out.

He effectively took 3 legions out of the fight with the Istvaan campaign.
Also he had the Ultras and Space Wolves tied up. Also didn't he send orders to distract the Blood Angels too?

I am not familiar with all the fluff so far and it gets a little hazy in the details during the middle part of the war.
I know the traitors were broken at Terra due to Horus's death (though I dunno why - they apparently massively outnumbered the defenders).

Anyone shed some light on it?

Have you ever played Total war?

If your general dies, gaks gone down. He may not be the best fighter, but he's still your leader. You have no one to tell you what to do, so you do the simplest command you can give yourself: soil yourself and run away.

Don't forget about the Legio Custodes, guys. I'm sure they made a huge difference in the defense of the palace