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 Albatross wrote:


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 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 Albatross wrote:
I would add that the 'English' are also a 'Celtic' people, though I use both terms fairly loosely, as 'celtic' is something that we have applied to Brythonic peoples retrospectively, and 'English' is the product of acculturation between native Britons and Anglo-Saxons. Genetically, we're pretty much identical to the rest of our British/Irish brothers and sisters, as the genetic impact of the Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans and particularly the Romans is often massively over-estimated (there have been genetic studies) by most people. The effect was more of a cultural one. It's also worth pointing out that Gaelic isn't the 'native' language of the Welsh, Scottish, Manx or Cornish people.

"English" comes from the word "Angle",

No gak. Did you actually read my post, or just skip straight to Wikipedia?

Surprisingly no! Philology and culture is something that I'm very interested in, reading Lord of the Rings as a young kid and being somewhat of a nationalist.

so no, the "English" technically aren't Celtic. Apply it to the people of England then yes, they're Celtic

Thanks, Captain Obvious. That's actually what I said. What else would I be saying if I said "the 'English' are also a 'Celtic' people"?

I should have made myself a bit more clear: apply it to the genetics of the English people then yes, they're Celtic. Culturally, they're totally different. In the States, most of them are probably Celts (since a lot of them come from the British Isles) yet thanks to the contact with other cultures that make up the country they don't think of themselves as Celts and they don't show that much of a sign of being Celtic. In Britain it's pretty much the same with several major differences: the history of invaders is a lot longer and the cultures of the invaders hand a longer period of time to settle in. The culture of Britain therefore cannot be considered truly Celtic.

but the customs they eventually adopted were Germanic. English is a Germanic language.

Two massive over-simplifications. Look up the word 'acculturation' next time you're on Wiki.

English still is a Germanic language. Most of the words that we speak is Germanic in origin. It is a gross simplification, but I'm not writing a history essay - it's a forum post for a site about expensive toy soldiers and 500 page rulebooks.

Gaelic also is the language of the Scots.

Yes, it is now. It wasn't, however, the original native language of the people living in that area, nor were they called 'Scots'. They didn't even call themselves that. I'm pointing this out to highlight the often ridiculous nature of 'celtic' nationalism, the Scots being the worst offenders, IMO. It's basically all about xenophobia - they're prepared to go to these ridiculous lengths just to differentiate themselves from the English, going back to their 'original' language, when in fact Scottish Gaelic was an import too.

Well English is also an import. So is Spanish for the Mexicans. So is "Macedonian" for the peoples of Macedon. So is Turkish for the people of Turkey. Are we going to deny them the fact that those languages are their own languages of their own cultures?

The word Scot was used by the Scottish - why do you think the country is called Scotland as opposed to Pictland or Gaeland?

The Scots originally were a tribe from Northern Ireland who settled the area they called "Dalriada". Eventually, the Picts accepted the Scottish king as their own after a battle with Vikings and the Scottish language was spread throughout what was now Scotland.

Those are not facts, and there is no evidence for any of that, as far as I'm aware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalriada
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/darkages/trails_darkages_gaels2.shtml
http://www.glendiscovery.com/dalriada.htm
Etc. There's so much stuff going for Dalriada, it's unbelievable.

That, or the fact that there's evidence of a lot of contact between Irish and Pictish merchants.

Please, feel free to cite it.

Give the monarchy to the person with the highest IQ in the country at any given point.

For all we know, an African villager in the Malian rebel army has the highest IQ in the world - IQ does not equal intelligence. Hitler, for example, had a very high IQ, and look where that got him.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
For all we know, an African villager in the Malian rebel army has the highest IQ in the world - IQ does not equal intelligence. Hitler, for example, had a very high IQ, and look where that got him.

A D average and decent land scape paintings?

Well yeah, but he apparently had a high IQ of 124 - 143 (he was never tested, they're just estimates).

I am a member of Mensa, yet I post stupid stuff on Dakka. Go figure...

 d-usa wrote:
I am a member of Mensa, yet I post stupid stuff on Dakka. Go figure...

Thats what happens when you cheat on the tests

I also scored the highest score in my entire school for the ACT, yet I dropped out of college and took 5 years to get a 2 year degree.

I like to think of myself as proof that success on standardized tests and high IQ does not predict future success or common sense.

Interestingly, I don't typically test very well, yet managed to obtain a 1st for my degree with embarrassingly little effort.

I just like to goof off and I'm not a fan of rigid things like school. I love teaching though, go figure.