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 Alfndrate wrote:
I think in his rather abrasive way, Purps is telling you that Sturmkrieg shouldn't have had all the massive Germinzation to begin wiht...

In other words Scrap everything and start Fresh. It is always the best way when you have to go back and change major parts of any Idea.

The German bit wasn't that major.
It was dressing on what could have been a good idea.
If you had replaced it with French instead it would still have been a problem if maybe a new style since German is kinda overdone in 40k...
I think...

Going on the Krieg example of uniforms, I'm working on combining uniform elements from Germans and Russians to make something that contains elements of each but still feels natural.

What is it about Russia and Germany that you want to incorporate into Sturmkrieg?

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Going on the Krieg example of uniforms, I'm working on combining uniform elements from Germans and Russians to make something that contains elements of each but still feels natural.

You have until this point shown no real will to exclude the less than savory parts like Nazi symbols and such. Beside you would be better of taking parts from the Belgian, French and English uniforms, it would be much more intresting than to see the end result you will end up with if you take from the USSR and Germany! Also for heavens sake listen to people like Purpelfood and LoneLictor!

LoneLictor wrote:What is it about Russia and Germany that you want to incorporate into Sturmkrieg?

With the USSR, it's possible to make something that seemed like it was supposed to be a totally egalitarian into a totalitarian society. Plus the imagery and tactics of 40k are close in some ways to the Red Army, and so it would help it fit better. Otherwise my interest is mainly old Germany from way back, which doesn't have much place in 40k. Restricting most of the German stuff to the Sturmkrieg Empire and then obliterating it when the Mechanicum comes through would help show change.

Trondheim wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Going on the Krieg example of uniforms, I'm working on combining uniform elements from Germans and Russians to make something that contains elements of each but still feels natural.

You have until this point shown no real will to exclude the less than savory parts like Nazi symbols and such. Beside you would be better of taking parts from the Belgian, French and English uniforms, it would be much more intresting than to see the end result you will end up with if you take from the USSR and Germany! Also for heavens sake listen to people like Purpelfood and LoneLictor!

I was actually thinking about that for a long time, and with similar suggestions, will work on implementing it. I was considering making the Krasnayavehr like the British and American militaries in terms of tactics and airpower.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:What is it about Russia and Germany that you want to incorporate into Sturmkrieg?

With the USSR, it's possible to make something that seemed like it was supposed to be a totally egalitarian into a totalitarian society. Plus the imagery and tactics of 40k are close in some ways to the Red Army, and so it would help it fit better. Otherwise my interest is mainly old Germany from way back, which doesn't have much place in 40k. Restricting most of the German stuff to the Sturmkrieg Empire and then obliterating it when the Mechanicum comes through would help show change.

Alright, so you like the Soviet aesthetic, as well as the tale of a revolution that ended installing another dictator rather than achieving freedom. Well, you're going to need to make Sturmkrieg's rulers/revolution leaders a lot worse then. So far, it seems like they've been portrayed as good guys (if I remember correctly). Well, the good guys are going to have to either sacrifice their morals, or get purged. And there need to be a lot more bad guys. You need to show life in Sturmkrieg getting worse for the average person. You need a Stalin.

Secondly, regarding old Germany... What is it you want about old Germany to incorporate into Sturmkrieg?

Apparently just the words...
There's not a whole lot you have incorporated apart from the revolution gone sour idea which isn't all that Russian...

 purplefood wrote:
Apparently just the words...
There's not a whole lot you have incorporated apart from the revolution gone sour idea which isn't all that Russian...

Yeah, most violent revolutions go sour. Let's see... French, Cuban, Iranian, Chinese, and a whole bunch of others. Hell, even the Syrian Revolution appears to be taking a turn for the worse. The rebels have been hijacked by an extremist Islamist movement, with many allying with Al Qaeda.

 LoneLictor wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Apparently just the words...
There's not a whole lot you have incorporated apart from the revolution gone sour idea which isn't all that Russian...

Yeah, most violent revolutions go sour. Let's see... French, Cuba, Iran, China, and a whole bunch of others. Hell, even the Syrian Revolution appears to be taking a turn for the worse. The rebels have been hijacked by an extremist Islamist movement, with many allying with Al Qaeda.

Even the good ones don't live up to the hype...

 purplefood wrote:

 LoneLictor wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Apparently just the words...
There's not a whole lot you have incorporated apart from the revolution gone sour idea which isn't all that Russian...

Yeah, most violent revolutions go sour. Let's see... French, Cuba, Iran, China, and a whole bunch of others. Hell, even the Syrian Revolution appears to be taking a turn for the worse. The rebels have been hijacked by an extremist Islamist movement, with many allying with Al Qaeda.

Even the good ones don't live up to the hype...

Last time I checked, that American Revolution has been living up to the hype since 1776...

'MURICA


Also, seriously OP, listen to Purps... he's solid on creative writing.

I find it amazing that this still is going. I mean does it take that long to reach a consensus about anything, but then again I give up advising if I ain't listened to. Right now I think you likely should stop the whole project in order to stop stepping of the toes of anyone from a Germanic country.

To be honest, I agree with Beaviz here, this thing has gone on for so much longer that it should have. I mean there must have been a point you should have surely realized so much work isn't going to make it anything particularly special, and no one has shown any real great interest despite your tiny changes.

This has dragged on through Dakka like a corpse behind a horse. I mean this with all due respect, it's time to call it a day.

The worst is actually that people have continued to give tips and winks for months to someone this stubborn. The second worst was that people of Germanic stock was left out of it. That's why the whole thing went downhill. And the third was the very minor alterations TRL pointed out. The only thing good was the name, the rest seriously suck balls, and that harder than a vacumer during Chernobyl.

That's just being rude, it's not particularly great but there's no need to be rude.
It has some merit but it needs work. Some people are less willing to listen to criticism than others...

And in this case, that lack of willing to listen to criticism is working against the creator, and is overall making this whole Sturmkrieg thing worse.

Well yes. I never said it wasn't the case.
Most of the time if you are unwilling to listen to criticism it makes whatever you're working on worse...

Come on purplefood we haven't always gotten along but this is ridiculous. TRL is spot on, and you ain't a person to call politeness to the spot I can still remember how you dismembered my fluff without any politeness.

Beaviz81, Purplefood seemed fairly polite to me. He was certainly more polite than you're being here.

There's a difference between being outright rude and not sparing someone's feelings.
It's no secret that is dislike basically everything about Sturmkrieg but I think the idea of a revolution doing a deal with the Imperium/Mechanicus in order to overthrow the current government is a nice idea. I dislike the random german/russian elements because they are not only poorly done but also stupid. They add nothing and detract rather a lot from it.

I think beavis is saying can it because some of the core problems with the idea, the german and russian stuff, has been ongoing since 2011. I think he is just getting tired of the writer saying 'ohohoh I'm going to change it now, it's going to make a lot more sense' and then adding a comma and another made up german word.

And while you are right, that there is a difference between being outright rude and not sparing someone's feelings, I don't think Beavis quite crossed that line.

edit: upon rereading that last comment about vacuum cleaners and what not is actually where he crossed that line.

Rudeness is how people view it. I think purplefood was rude to me, nothing else (him telling me that he weren't sparing my feelings was a lousy term of critique and shall never ever be followed). Plus I'm of germanic stock, so I can judge better than any of you of non-Germanic stock if something is rude. Infact I and people of Germanic stock should have been the first not the last people asked if things are offensive, and let me tell you, this project should have been closed long ago as it has hit my warning-buttons many times and I'm not even German.

Alfendrate- Thanks, I'll work with Purplefood and his suggestions. I realize a revolution gone bad isn't that original. I wouldn't really say that the concept of people going poor and revolting is really specific to the Russian Revolution. I had the French Revolution in mind when I wrote most of it, but I'm not going to use it as a mold because I'd be locked in and history hammer is a bad idea.

As for change, Sturmkrieg is almost entirely different from what it used to be. Originally, it was completely German, an ally of the Imperium, joined during the Great Crusade, and had 2,000 worlds. It was also practically a clone. The language was also literally German.

Beaviz, I'm very suspicious of the complaint about Sturmkrieg not having "Germanic stock." That would be very unlikely, plus an unknowable detail in-universe. While you've raised some good points, and I don't ever want to dismiss anyone outright, I've often had the feeling that you're trying to get me to write what you want. I have to agree that you're being rude. This has often been a pattern of behavior when I haven't adopted something that you wanted. When something is really terrible, you can say so, but making up sarcastic jokes is insulting.

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Reds8n

You think that you're better at evaluating it because you're German? I thought you were from Norway.

Noorway is a Germanic country, and basically yes.

This is starting to get a little weird...

Whatever, this should just be closed down as I'm quite tired of watching this thread who long should be closed. And I consider calling the mods to close this gak down.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Noorway is a Germanic country, and basically yes.

But Norway is not Germany, which is where IE is getting/basing his information off of (probably not so much anymore), and while Norway is a Germanic nation, I would be surprised to see people of Germany on Dakka contributing to a piece of 40k fan fiction that has pieces that are eerily similar to WW2 era Germany, which Germans don't like talking about because it's a very dark mark on an otherwise proud and decent nation. This also could very explain why you're being as abrasive as you are, because Norway was one of the nations under German occupation during that time period.

Also you should probably take a break from this thread man, you're breaking rule 1 a few times, and you're not providing anything really constructive, you're just saying that his work is gak, and that this thread should be closed down. Too bad that closing this thread down won't make Sturmkrieg disappear, since he is hosting the fiction off Dakka.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Whatever, this should just be closed down as I'm quite tired of watching this thread who long should be closed. And I consider calling the mods to close this gak down.

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