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morgoth wrote:
Yeah well, if the chinese can make a Revenant Titan for $60 with shipping and make a profit on it, I believe FW is making huge profit on theirs (about $240).

The Chinese can make a cheap titan because they don't have to pay the sculptors, don't have to pay for customer service, don't have to pay the rules author, don't have to pay anyone a decent wage, etc. All they have to do is make a set of molds and cast copies as they're ordered. Talking about how much FW/GW make in profit by comparing them to recasters is like complaining that the music industry is too greedy because anyone can get pirated mp3s for free.

And considering the price difference... the whole surface of the FW titan could be covered in Eldar runes, and four set of weapons provided, all flash and moldlines removed, and why not zenithal primed already.

Why would anyone want some of those things? Despite your obsession with detail per square inch most people would probably agree that adding a bunch of clutter by throwing runes everywhere would be a step back, not an improvement. And why would I want someone other than me to put paint on my model that I'll just have to strip off before I can use it?


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morgoth wrote:
It's friggin easy to go from LR to Spartan or baneblade to glaive.

No, it really isn't. None of the parts are shared between a GW Land Raider and a FW Spartan. You might be able to kitbash a pile of GW LR parts into something vaguely like a Spartan, but it won't be the real model. Likewise with the Baneblade and Glaive, they share a few parts of the hull (most of which aren't really visible once the model is finished) but the vast majority of the kit is new work. And TBH the fact that you're trying to claim otherwise pretty strongly suggests that you've never even seen pictures of the models you're talking about.

 Peregrine wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Yeah well, if the chinese can make a Revenant Titan for $60 with shipping and make a profit on it, I believe FW is making huge profit on theirs (about $240).

The Chinese can make a cheap titan because they don't have to pay the sculptors, don't have to pay for customer service, don't have to pay the rules author, don't have to pay anyone a decent wage, etc. All they have to do is make a set of molds and cast copies as they're ordered. Talking about how much FW/GW make in profit by comparing them to recasters is like complaining that the music industry is too greedy because anyone can get pirated mp3s for free.

And considering the price difference... the whole surface of the FW titan could be covered in Eldar runes, and four set of weapons provided, all flash and moldlines removed, and why not zenithal primed already.

Why would anyone want some of those things? Despite your obsession with detail per square inch most people would probably agree that adding a bunch of clutter by throwing runes everywhere would be a step back, not an improvement. And why would I want someone other than me to put paint on my model that I'll just have to strip off before I can use it?

We have already established that the sculptors are a very minor percentage of the costs, the Chinese also have customer service, the rules... seriously man. seriously.

All they have to do is 95% of the work and that's good enough.
The music industry IS way too greedy. The day you can buy songs for 10 cents and 9 of those cents go to the artists, I'll tell you it's fine. Until then it's bs.

The extras are just examples of what FW could do to justify their insane pricing. A bit more detail on titans wouldn't be a bad thing, it would give people less incentive for Freehanding and texturing to compensate the blandness of the models.

Removing the Flash is clearly a good thing, mold lines as well.

Priming ? you could select what priming you want and no priming if you're that crazy about one very specific primer (which they could still offer as a service given the slowed prices).


The point is: if FW want to be a good deal, they either have to deliver more or price lower, that's it.

morgoth wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
there is no way for me to go and get the existing kits for a LR and make a spartan, they are just THAT different... its like saying a baneblade is the same as my glaive... totally different chasis. and thats only the starting point.

Then you're not really good at craft building.

It's friggin easy to go from LR to Spartan or baneblade to glaive.

im what? its what?



if you want to say all 4 of those are interchangable and have very minor changes between them then as i believe someone said you have no idea what your talking about.

now that these pics are here, im sure you can move your goal posts again. this thread is reading like a choose your own adventure with how often you redirect and change the story.
Ps: heres a couple more side by sides of them.



snd something funnily enough you dont know. FW is a good deal to aussies. its cost is now the same or BETTER (depending on exchange rate) than normal GW... funny thing that. i have also got a bunch of FW marines cos they are amazing

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
if you want to say all 4 of those are interchangable and have very minor changes between them then as i believe someone said you have no idea what your talking about.

They're still only variants of each other / mostly kitbash and less than 25% new sculpt.

morgoth wrote:
We have already established that the sculptors are a very minor percentage of the costs, the Chinese also have customer service, the rules... seriously man. seriously.

No, you have created numbers out of thin air, decrying people with way more actual knowledge than you and just going "nu uh, i'm right" whenever youre challenged, and shifting goalposts more times than a stadium rebuild.

YOU have decided it is a small percentage. People who know have stated it isnt. I'm going with the people with credibility over your opinion, sorry

nosferatu1001 wrote:
sorry

Don't be sorry, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving my opinion more credibility than it could ever have had without your intervention.
You gave me an occasion to refine that position, and to detail and explain exactly why I hold it, while at the same time showing that only people who believe more than they think would stand against that position.

morgoth wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
if you want to say all 4 of those are interchangable and have very minor changes between them then as i believe someone said you have no idea what your talking about.

They're still only variants of each other / mostly kitbash and less than 25% new sculpt.

no, no they really arent. you have no idea do you, and to add to that your total condescension is amazing.

you have never seen nor held these models but just presume i can tell you there is significant differences, but all youll say is "nooo im right, you know nothing your no go" and redirect your bs to something else

and editing people posts like you did above shows you to be a total troll and a waste of peoples time.


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Can you articulate the differences between a BaneBlade and a Glaive? have you ever owned them? or if you want to tell me the similarites besides that they are both tanks and have tracks?
Because if you said FelBlade and glaive youd have half a chance, but the baneblade is very different.

do the same for the LR and the Spartan. iv got them here to look at so i can tell you the differences. but i want you to show me the 75% of them that is the SAME.

morgoth wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
sorry

Don't be sorry, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving my opinion more credibility than it could ever have had without your intervention.
You gave me an occasion to refine that position, and to detail and explain exactly why I hold it, while at the same time showing that only people who believe more than they think would stand against that position.

I could have sworn I was on "ignore", guess you have to keep checking for more of your ill-founded opinions being debunked with facts...still think that Audi and Mercedes are in Munich?

Dont quote edit, it reduces your credibility to zero when you mangle context so horribly. Well, maintains that credibility in this case.

Carry on though, you've just about shot any chance you have of people thinking you have a valid opinion about any topic, given your pontificating here on a topic you are clearly quite, quite ignorant of.

You showed absolutely nothing of note, apart from your frankly comical opinion that a baneblade and fellblade are 75% identical. That, that is pure comedy gold.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

morgoth wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
sorry

Don't be sorry, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving my opinion more credibility than it could ever have had without your intervention.
You gave me an occasion to refine that position, and to detail and explain exactly why I hold it, while at the same time showing that only people who believe more than they think would stand against that position.

I could have sworn I was on "ignore", guess you have to keep checking for more of your ill-founded opinions being debunked with facts...still think that Audi and Mercedes are in Munich?

Dont quote edit, it reduces your credibility to zero when you mangle context so horribly. Well, maintains that credibility in this case.

Carry on though, you've just about shot any chance you have of people thinking you have a valid opinion about any topic, given your pontificating here on a topic you are clearly quite, quite ignorant of.

You showed absolutely nothing of note, apart from your frankly comical opinion that a baneblade and fellblade are 75% identical. That, that is pure comedy gold.

now now nos i can see the 75%



totally the same... me
and if we really want i can put a felblade in there just so you can see all 3

Yep, totally the same. Absolutely 75% identical, or "copy paste" as morgoth seems to think you can do when modelling in physical material and not CAD.