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 Alex C wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:
 Alex C wrote:
 RobertsMinis wrote:
Has a Mantic Week ever been good? I don't know why they hype a few blog posts...


I'm yet to actually see anything about Deadzone this week.

I assumed we'd get faction previews, info on the new terrain, etc.

But nope, nothing.


Well, they are prepping for a KS, after all


So one would think maybe some hype/buildup...? Maybe?


I was making a joke about Mantic's oft-made response.

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 David Clarke wrote:
Surely it couldn't hurt Deadzone and the future Warpath kickstarter if they got each faction a hard plastic dreadnought equivalent walker included for each faction alongside the much needed infantry units. Something like hard plastic iron ancestors would be a good way to get me tempted into this kickstarter.

 DaveC wrote:
The Striders are fine in restic larger models work in restic so there's no major issues there even the clean up doesn't take to long better to use the new sprues for something else (like an Asterian big Mech) although I won't mind seeing some alternate Strider arms probably in resin as restic is out and metal is to heavy.


The restic striders and iron ancestors and the resin stuntbot are great, no need to replace them with hard plastic, but they do need to work up a resin line of alternate weapon arms. Using the 2.0 list the Iron Ancestor already comes in four loadouts - base, Urban Pattern, Doomstorm Pattern and Thor Pattern - and really needs a resin hailstorm right arm and a resin CC weapon left arm to make the Doomstorm and the Thor respectively, plus a missile launcher and a flamer for base variant options, while the Strider and Stuntbot mention burst lasers and MGs as alternates to the DZ loadouts. Asterians just need a walker or walker equivalent full stop and again, I'm fine with a nit that big being made in restic.

 .Mikes. wrote:
For anyone wondering if the Pathfinders will be a seperate faction from Enforcers, this si Dave Symonds on Facebook:

Pathfinders are part of the enforcers faction. Already exist as a single resin model, are now going to be a set of plastic ones, but they aren't a faction unto themselves.


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Beasts of War has some renders of the new terrain, along with a start time:

http://www.beastsofwar.com/deadzone/exclusive-battlezone-industrial-terrain-mantic-podcast/

KS begins March 20th at 1:30pm GMT.

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Looks good finally a 1.5"x-1.5" tile !

The sizes are a bit miss leading the computer is a connector piece AFAIK hopefully the pump is big though.
   
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 Alex C wrote:
Beasts of War has some renders of the new terrain, along with a start time:

http://www.beastsofwar.com/deadzone/exclusive-battlezone-industrial-terrain-mantic-podcast/

KS begins March 20th at 1:30pm GMT.












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The chain link/ grating piece is kind of cool.

There will definitely be all sorts of neat possibilities with these new terrain pieces.

Those burst pipes will be perfect to have vermin spilling out of.

Looking forward to seeing just how much stuff they've come up with.


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Liking the terrain, hopfully they'll have a terrain only pledge or a way to just do that as add-ons.. dunno if I'll be able to do the full game. Gonna pledge $1 and wait and see

 
   
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Blog post

http://manticblog.com/2015/03/18/infestation-is-upon-us-2/

of note plans for hard plastics for every faction if the funds allow

Which bring us on to Warpath. Well this mini-kick is for Warpath too! We’ll get the Veer-myn in hard plastic – in fact if this kicks on every starter faction in Warpath will have some hard plastic sets. The Enforcers already have 2 sprues – and a 3rd coming in this mini-kick; we hope to get the Asterians funded, and the plague. In fact, with us adding to the scenery range too this is a Resin Plastic free Kickstarter – it is centering around the fantastic hard plastic we can now produce as we gear up for war!
   
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http://manticblog.com/2015/03/18/infestation-is-upon-us-2/
Spoiler:
Infestation is upon us
The Deadzone: Infestation Kickstarter goes live at 1:30pm GMT on Friday 20th March.

A threat lurks deep within the darkest corners of Exham IV.

Violent and aggressive in nature, uncontrollable if left to expand.

The Council of Seven has dispatched the Enforcer Pathfinders to assess and neutralize the threat in its early stages.

They are too late.

Infestation is upon us…..

Veer-myn-Mine-Escape

This week sees a mini-kick for Deadzone begin. I thought it relevant to explain a little about why we are doing it, what you can expect and a short update on the other outstanding projects while we’re at it.

So let’s start there. Dungeon Saga is off the printers in a matter of weeks. There is a big update coming but quickly I’ll say we have run two play test days, all the scenarios have been play tested – many of them by backers – and they are playing really well. We have had time to go over every part of the game and polish it aiming to make this as close to perfect as we can.

We’ve got a fantastic getting started guide, the adventures get progressively harder as the heroes toughen up, we have new art, and a very big surprise coming. I will reveal all in a blog post (ahem), but what I can say is that we have come up with a special way to say thanks to everyone who backed this project – and encourage newbies to give it a try once it is on the shelves! Watch for a video next week

Kings of War has been developed in parallel to Dungeon Saga by Alessio, with invaluable support from the rules committee. The new Abyssal and Nature army lists have been developed (and are both fantastic and calling to me, but I must resist!). As you know this was also a mini-kick and has given us a fantastic opportunity to polish the 1st edition KoW rules to play even quicker and more balanced. The point systems are just being worked through and it’s done too. There is a lot of people coming aboard KoW right now, and with a huge campaign coming up and new armies, units and heroes in the pipeline this will push the system to scale new heights. It goes off to translation in a few weeks (for simultaneous releases in German, Spanish and French!) and then to print! With you in summer and on time.

We have on the way the third wave shipment for Xtreme and seasons 5 and 6 too – they’ll be shipping May. Separate update on those – along with more play by plays for Xtreme.

Especially on KoW and DS we have taken on board the lessons from Deadzone, Mars Attacks and Xtreme. We are aiming to ship these in fewer waves, with much more pre-packed to minimize mispacks and errors. Thanks with your patience both on the old Kickstarters and the new pledge manager, all aimed at getting the product and its shipping right first time.

And Deadzone?

Well as we all know that was a massive project to serve up and delivering it certainly challenged us. We are coming back to it for a few reasons, and you can read about them in depth (and just how important your support is) in a great article here on the Escapist Magazine website.

In short, there are a few big reasons we needed to come back to Deadzone:

– We need another faction! Part of any minis game is giving us new enemies to fight against – or with! It poses new challenges and freshens up the system. When the Veer-myn hit the shelves the Forge Fathers and Asterians will have been out a year and it will be time for new blood

new 2From the Veer-myn Night-Crawler Hard Plastic Sprue

heavychem 1From the Veer-myn Night-Crawler Hard Plastic Sprue

– We’ll also add more new scenery – this has been hugely popular and the main request has been for more detail pieces, causeways, shafts and pipes. You speak, we listen – they are all in phase 1.

– Improve and simplify the army selection process and add a great campaign system

– The rules need a polish. Ideally this wouldn’t be done for a while but we need to make access into the game a little gentler

– it is a fantastic system but it takes too much effort to get there and it puts new people off. If the game is to flourish then it needs to be easier in the early stages.

The next point is really important too – we need a starter set and a range that retailers feel they can sell in their stores. The current starter set is fantastic value – filled with building sprues, rules, dice, counters, deluxe rubber mats and 2 factions – and that makes it too expensive in store and too much for a beginner to get started with. We’ll create a new 2 player set with a simple, high-quality supporting range – with all the basic sets in hard plastic to allow our retailers to constantly recruit into the universe.

Which bring us on to Warpath. Well this mini-kick is for Warpath too! We’ll get the Veer-myn in hard plastic – in fact if this kicks on every starter faction in Warpath will have some hard plastic sets. The Enforcers already have 2 sprues – and a 3rd coming in this mini-kick; we hope to get the Asterians funded, and the plague. In fact, with us adding to the scenery range too this is a Resin Plastic free Kickstarter – it is centering around the fantastic hard plastic we can now produce as we gear up for war!

male 2From the Enforcer Pathfinder Hard Plastic Sprue

male 3From the Enforcer Pathfinder Hard Plastic Sprue

Finally, the great opportunity we have for the next few weeks is that again we will get hard focus back on Deadzone – lots of people are waiting for a chance to dive in, and that chance is now. We will be running some spectacular deals on our website AND through our retail partners – AND ANY STORE CAN HAVE ANY DEAL FROM OUR WEBSITE. We want to support the trade accounts – so just go to the local gaming store and ask them to order what you want – and they’ll have it in a few days! With the crazy deals running you’ll be able to grab a faction starter or two, some great scenery – and have it all ready for the updated rules!

And backers of the previous Kickstarter needn’t worry either, as we’ll be giving each of the first Deadzone Backers a free digital copy of the new rulebook when it’s ready.

With the last four Kickstarters Mantic has signaled its intent – we are going to create exciting and deep universes – one fantasy, one futuristic in space. Each has benefited from two kickstarters that focus on developing those universes albeit with different game styles – but always to the same end. Whether it is via books, or a tabletop wargame, a sports game or a Dungeon crawler we want everyone to have a chance to collect, paint and game with minis at affordable prices. That is our mission. The support we get on Kickstarter allows that to happen.

Thank you for supporting the mission, help build the universes – and getting very cool toys along the way.




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– We’ll also add more new scenery – this has been hugely popular and the main request has been for more detail pieces, causeways, shafts and pipes. You speak, we listen – they are all in phase 1.

– Improve and simplify the army selection process and add a great campaign system

– The rules need a polish. Ideally this wouldn’t be done for a while but we need to make access into the game a little gentler

– it is a fantastic system but it takes too much effort to get there and it puts new people off. If the game is to flourish then it needs to be easier in the early stages.

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Something of note there is the hint of a newer, cheaper and smaller starter set, and from the sounds of it, this isn't necessarily going to have terrain (which takes up the bulk of the space in the current one). And yet, DZ without Terrain just won't work, so I'm wondering now if there are plans for Icestorm-esque folding paper terrain as an 'introductory' set. Less labour-intensive, easier to store, easier to pack. I could certainly see them adding something like that.

With that in mind, I can see the 'starter set' this time around being:

- 4-5 sprues of minis, perhaps less minis but more options (thanks to HIPS) than the old one
- quick-start rulebook
- possibly card terrain, paper mat.
- dice/tokens ect

At maybe the £30-40 price mark retail? (similar to the KOW Starter Armies)

Rampant speculation indeed, but that's how I can see this panning out. And I'd certainly be ok with that.

 
   
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Yeah, I definitely think they'll find a way to cut corners (smaller army?) to make it work.

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In fact, with us adding to the scenery range too this is a Resin Plastic free Kickstarter...


Resin Plastic free Kickstarter



Oh my!

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Well technically, the current 'starter' actually has 'too many' minis; more than you ever need in one game, at any rate. While this is awesome, as you get a 'full game' from the get-go, I can see them cutting to to a more common style where you get enough to game with (even as few as 5 minis with options per side, 50-point or so games) but the incetive is there to buy expansions to get more minis and actually expand, rather than just getting more options.

Plastic sprues means they can give you 1 'Heavy Weapon Guy' rather than Sniper/MG/Missile/Other each having their own model.

Less stuff, but I imagine Mantic will lower the price accordingly.

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Could someone in the know comment on how likely, or not, it is that we'll see one of the most widely cited problems with the game - the weakness of the Rebs - get addressed in the new rulebook revisions?

From the sound of it so far, I'm guessing this isn't going to happen. But I'd be happy to be wrong.


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And hey - does no resin plastic mean that the large Veer-myn "Beast" is going to be a polystyrene model? That would've been a restic kit back in the 1st KS campaign for sure.

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 Vermonter wrote:
Could someone in the know comment on how likely, or not, it is that we'll see one of the most widely cited problems with the game - the weakness of the Rebs - get addressed in the new rulebook revisions?

From the sound of it so far, I'm guessing this isn't going to happen. But I'd be happy to be wrong.


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And hey - does no resin plastic mean that the large Veer-myn "Beast" is going to be a polystyrene model? That would've been a restic kit back in the 1st KS campaign for sure.


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 Vermonter wrote:
Could someone in the know comment on how likely, or not, it is that we'll see one of the most widely cited problems with the game - the weakness of the Rebs - get addressed in the new rulebook revisions?

From the sound of it so far, I'm guessing this isn't going to happen. But I'd be happy to be wrong.


I know that proposals were made very early in the life of the DZ RC, I don't know whether you can expect to see any of them implemented as part of the KS, maybe Scarletsquig knows?

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 Baragash wrote:
 Vermonter wrote:
Could someone in the know comment on how likely, or not, it is that we'll see one of the most widely cited problems with the game - the weakness of the Rebs - get addressed in the new rulebook revisions?

From the sound of it so far, I'm guessing this isn't going to happen. But I'd be happy to be wrong.


I know that proposals were made very early in the life of the DZ RC, I don't know whether you can expect to see any of them implemented as part of the KS, maybe Scarletsquig knows?


We wrote up a suggested set of mission deck changes and stats/points changes for Rebs months ago. I don't know if they will be used in the new rules, or anything about the new rules at the moment, I'm assuming our real work will begin once we get tasked with testing and balancing them.

Very, very keen to be able to do as much as I can with Deadzone!

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Looking forward to it, I hope I can get some funds set aside to back this. =/
   
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I just read through this on BoLS:

http://www.gamewire.belloflostsouls.net/infestation-is-upon-us-2/

And these points stood out:


– The rules need a polish. Ideally this wouldn’t be done for a while but we need to make access into the game a little gentler

– it is a fantastic system but it takes too much effort to get there and it puts new people off. If the game is to flourish then it needs to be easier in the early stages


Very happy to see this is being addressed.

But this next bit got right on my nerves:


And backers of the previous Kickstarter needn’t worry either, as we’ll be giving each of the first Deadzone Backers a free digital copy of the new rulebook when it’s ready.


What about us mugs that missed the KS, but bought it retail?! Direct from Mantic, no less!

I have to admit I was tempted, but the "F-U, non Kickstarting prole!" vibe puts me off.

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I'm betting the sweet spot pledge contains this new starter kit, along with an updated physical book.

But yes, a bit annoying for those of us who bought retail if you weren't going to back this one.

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 monders wrote:
I just read through this on BoLS:

http://www.gamewire.belloflostsouls.net/infestation-is-upon-us-2/

And these points stood out:


– The rules need a polish. Ideally this wouldn’t be done for a while but we need to make access into the game a little gentler

– it is a fantastic system but it takes too much effort to get there and it puts new people off. If the game is to flourish then it needs to be easier in the early stages


Very happy to see this is being addressed.

But this next bit got right on my nerves:


And backers of the previous Kickstarter needn’t worry either, as we’ll be giving each of the first Deadzone Backers a free digital copy of the new rulebook when it’s ready.


What about us mugs that missed the KS, but bought it retail?! Direct from Mantic, no less!

I have to admit I was tempted, but the "F-U, non Kickstarting prole!" vibe puts me off.


From their perspective, the logistics of handing out a digital copy to thousands of people is a lot easier if they use the list of KS backers.. offering a free copy to retail buyers would be pretty much impossible.

Did hear something about some DZ lite rules being made free online anyway, so there might be something offered there, in the same way that basic dreadball .pdf rules are now free:

https://www.manticdigital.com/product/dreadball-free-rules/

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Do you think they will change the order of the game, set terrain, then get mission, the select strike force? As the current of select force and the find out what you were sent to achieve is a bit tipsy turvy.

far too many points and still painting...

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vorpalhit wrote:
Do you think they will change the order of the game, set terrain, then get mission, the select strike force? As the current of select force and the find out what you were sent to achieve is a bit tipsy turvy.


So perhaps more like Malifaux, where until you know your mission the only thing you are locked into is your Faction. You then choose the mission/side mission and are free to build your crew around that. It could certainly work for DZ.

@Monders: I share your pain. I don't do KS for a variety of reasons, butI bought DZ pre-release direct from Mantic as soon as I could, I can see why they are doing what they doing, though, simply from a logistical perspective.

I do wonder, though, when the full rules for KoW, Warpath and I believe Dreadball are now free, why the DZ ones aren't. I can understand paying for the Faction Deck, but I am surprised Mantic haven't yet released the actual rulebook free like their other games.

 
   
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 Paradigm wrote:
vorpalhit wrote:
Do you think they will change the order of the game, set terrain, then get mission, the select strike force? As the current of select force and the find out what you were sent to achieve is a bit tipsy turvy.


So perhaps more like Malifaux, where until you know your mission the only thing you are locked into is your Faction. You then choose the mission/side mission and are free to build your crew around that. It could certainly work for DZ.


Exactly like that, your in your carrier space ship with your 140? Points worth of stuff.
"Oh look new mission, lets go."
So what's the mission?
"dunno but leave the grenades behind."
Gets to LZ
"the mission is... To blow up that thing"
Gee would be sure helpful if we had some GRENADES!

I've been unfortunate enough to have a kill mission where due to him taking lots of not more than 10+ point models meant I couldn't get to 10points

far too many points and still painting...

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Even as a backer, I don't want a fething digital copy. Especially since Mantic tends to make most of their rules available free anyway. I prefer a rulebook that I can put tabs or highlights in if need be. I prefer one that does not require a power source or doesn't turn off after a minute of inactivity.

   
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 MLaw wrote:
Even as a backer, I don't want a fething digital copy. Especially since Mantic tends to make most of their rules available free anyway. I prefer a rulebook that I can put tabs or highlights in if need be. I prefer one that does not require a power source or doesn't turn off after a minute of inactivity.

So pledge for or buy a physical one. Or print out the digital copy.


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I'm sure physical versions will be available in some form.

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 MLaw wrote:
Even as a backer, I don't want a fething digital copy. Especially since Mantic tends to make most of their rules available free anyway. I prefer a rulebook that I can put tabs or highlights in if need be. I prefer one that does not require a power source or doesn't turn off after a minute of inactivity.


Yup just print it out if you need to, They are trying to be nice by giving you a pdf. copy they don't even have to do that, they could go gw way and go, ooo got deadzone have you? Ha ha ha new rule book 80 dollars.

Personally looking forward to this nwe rules minis and hopefully balance on my favourite faction (rebs), Be curious to see why the Asterians would get involved but we'll see.

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