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Yeah, they've never been shy about saying that the monetary transactions were about giving people a 'skip' if they didn't want to or weren't able to spend the time to grind. As long as things are available via gameplay, I don't care if they have longer grinds or money-based alternatives.


I'm still having huge trouble getting into PvP matches on my own, though. Like, I can do multiplayer PvAI matches okay, get into games with other players, but the only time I've managed to get into a PvP game was when I was playing in a group with Ashiraya.

Anyone have any knowledge on that?

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
The cost in steel of the new characters (15000, I read) is actually really annoying me. As a casual player who dips in and out of the game, it'll be months before I ever amass that much, and that's if I don't buy any weapon packs or anything for the existing classes. Yes, I could buy a Steel pack in the store to spend on them (no idea how much that'd be) but it kind of rubs me the wrong way that to actually access 'free' new content I need to either buy microtransactions or grind like hell.

I'd much rather they were just paid DLC where I pay X amount to unlock the character; same end result, but much more upfront about it.

At least they give the option of grinding the steel yourself if you prefer that.

I wouldn't really call it an "option" when it requires at least double digit multiples of the currency needed for the "standard" characters.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
The cost in steel of the new characters (15000, I read) is actually really annoying me. As a casual player who dips in and out of the game, it'll be months before I ever amass that much, and that's if I don't buy any weapon packs or anything for the existing classes. Yes, I could buy a Steel pack in the store to spend on them (no idea how much that'd be) but it kind of rubs me the wrong way that to actually access 'free' new content I need to either buy microtransactions or grind like hell.

I'd much rather they were just paid DLC where I pay X amount to unlock the character; same end result, but much more upfront about it.

At least they give the option of grinding the steel yourself if you prefer that.

I wouldn't really call it an "option" when it requires at least double digit multiples of the currency needed for the "standard" characters.

I am not sure why you compare their steel costs to the costs of the default characters.

The default characters are all unlocked from the get go. You have to pay 500 something steel to unlock customization, but doing so is not necessary to play the actual character to your heart's content - especially since gear does not actually matter at all in 1v1 and 2v2 (which are also the most balanced game modes - in 4v4 ganking is a much bigger factor than gear anyway).

The new characters, as I've understood it, need unlocking to actually play, not just customize, which explains the much higher price. Still, 15k is not at all insurmountable. I could spare the steel to buy the knight mythic outfit for - you guessed it - 15k steel, even among all the other things I have bought like emotes and executions, and I am not even close to hardcore.


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Anvildude wrote:
I'm still having huge trouble getting into PvP matches on my own, though. Like, I can do multiplayer PvAI matches okay, get into games with other players, but the only time I've managed to get into a PvP game was when I was playing in a group with Ashiraya.?

Could it be something with your connection? I've never heard of an issue like this. Contact customer support?

I may have to. That whole "NET connection" thing (or whatever it's called) is just... odd. What seems to be happening is that the game is trying to host a game on MY PC instead of looking for games to join, and since I'm only a "Medium" NET connectivity setup, it's not directing anyone towards me?

I just don't know.


But also, yeah. 15000 steel is NOTHING. I've almost got that, and I'm not even Prestiged with any of the heroes.

I do like how the amount of steel you get per daily order got increased and that you can now do any challenge versus players or AI. Makes some of these orders much easier to get

I just noticed that the Centurion doesn't have a shield.

Why does the CENTURION not have a SHIELD!?

Because its more amusing to sucker punch fools with an armored gauntlet. Plus the sword/shield shtick is already covered by the Warlord.

I didn't get a chance to play.
How much are the new classes?

Is there a new gear cap?

The new classes are 15k steel.

The new gearscore max is 144.

The new classes actually seem somewhat balanced, at least after a night of fighting them. I need to get used to dodging their kicks, the timing on the ranged counter guard break is a bit wonky and they both have some vicious damage combos but it should be manageable.

15000, ugh. of course right after i buy an mythic outfit for my conqueror... =/
on a side note... i swear i cant get the timing down on counter guardbreak.
it drive me crazy how some classes can spam it reliably and i get stuck in that loop...

Yeah, practice until you can counter guard break reliably, otherwise you will be easy prey.

Fortunately steel is plentiful. I got mythic outfit, enough steel to max my gear, and will probably be able to buy the centurion when he's out for non-season pass players next week as well.

The new classes are great. The Shinobi is capable of putting out TONS of damage, but he has so little health that its fair.

The Centurion is just fun to play. He's pretty much just a brawler, and all of his mix ups just flow naturally, and he can do tons of damage and open up turtles. I was slightly disappointed by how squishy he feels at times, but I ultimately think he's pretty balanced

 War Kitten wrote:
The new classes are great. The Shinobi is capable of putting out TONS of damage, but he has so little health that its fair.

The Centurion is just fun to play. He's pretty much just a brawler, and all of his mix ups just flow naturally, and he can do tons of damage and open up turtles. I was slightly disappointed by how squishy he feels at times, but I ultimately think he's pretty balanced

Centurian makes turtles a joke. I spectated a 1v1 where a Centurian kept a Warden without stamina for most of the fight.

As far as Shinobi goes, I think he's a lot of risk/reward gameplay. Get countered on that ranged guard break and you can get one-shot by certain characters (looking at you Shugoki).

It's not a oneshot though. Shugoki's charged heavy only does 60 damage.

Did they mess with mechanics at all?
It seems like my lawbringer is burning through stamina a lot quicker than he used to.

I noticed that too. I also seem to be using stamina faster.

In other news, Raider's buff was pretty nice. I now keep accidentally cancelling my zone attack into a stunning tap, but somehow its working out for me. The stampede charge draining the enemy's stamina while they're being held, plus damaging them with the knee to the face is a nice little buff as well

Ah yes, the raider buff. It's quite something isn't it?

I can't wait to start watching the next devstream only to have it cancelled into a stunning tap.

hey, do you guys know what level you can start getting the different tiers of armor at?
i got gold on my lawbringer but he is prestige 5.
i have a prestige 2 congueror in all purple but i haven't gotten a gold yet even using a scavenge crate.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
hey, do you guys know what level you can start getting the different tiers of armor at?
i got gold on my lawbringer but he is prestige 5.
i have a prestige 2 congueror in all purple but i haven't gotten a gold yet even using a scavenge crate.

If I recall golds have a chance to appear after prestige 3, the new gear is prestige 7 I believe. I might be wrong though

Rare (blue) gear is prestige 1+

Heroic (purple) gear is prestige 3+

Epic (yellow) gear is prestige 5+

Thanks ash!
My conqueror must be prestige 3 then, lol.

Shows what I know then. Got that all mixed up

 Ashiraya wrote:
It's not a oneshot though. Shugoki's charged heavy only does 60 damage.

I thought it did more damage if you did the overhead charged attack... I should really play more often.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wwr17AtTDFU3BZY_81axLVMKdHdNZuV0wGOb589VKgc/edit#gid=0

Here you go. That should help.

So having just bought this on xbone (insert excuse), do you have to have the correct direction on a parry or can you parry from anywhere as long as you get the timing?

I also find myself playing "sword" and board in a video game again, maybe I am that boring.

You have to have your guard in the correct direction as well as time correctly in order to parry.

For this reason, conquerors and warlords cannot parry from full block stance, and assassin heroes must enter a guard before they can parry.

 Ashiraya wrote:
You have to have your guard in the correct direction as well as time correctly in order to parry.

For this reason, conquerors and warlords cannot parry from full block stance, and assassin heroes must enter a guard before they can parry.

Ah guess I'll have to start putting effort into paying attention to where my stance is.

Or just turtle up through duels until someone forces me into learning

Centurion and Shinobi are now out for everybody. I played the whole afternoon with my usual friend and frankly I think I am taking a break from the game now. Centurion is bonkers OP and while only really the kick is OP for shinobi (who got the idea to make it faster than any light attack in the game, -and- give it hyper armor?) we still faced literally nothing else but those two heroes all afternoon and it is flat out not the game I want to play.

Until they give the shinobi kick and the centurion... well, a lot of him big nerfs, I am off.

Which hurts to say because I love this game to bits otherwise. I stuck through with Lawbringer from the very beginning even though he was bad but I have my limits.

They really need to put in hero limits or something like that. I got ganked by 4 Centurions today and got pinned into a corner and stabbed repeatedly. I can deal with 1 Centurion, but 4? No.