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It's a beta rule, don't use it if you're not enjoying it.

If you don't enjoy it, email them and explain in detail.so this beta rule never come a to an official rule.

I also don't support this beta rule.

 KingCorpus wrote:
It's a beta rule, don't use it if you're not enjoying it.

If you don't enjoy it, email them and explain in detail.so this beta rule never come a to an official rule.

I also don't support this beta rule.

I think it would be good to use it, get a feel for it, and then suggest tweaks. In all likelihood it is staying in one form or another.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
I’m sure Reece will be around soon to tell us that we just haven’t been playing the army right and this beta rule actually helps GK because other armies can’t deepstrike on us.

I see Reece is the new Matt Ward. Always need that boogeyman!

I mean the dude literally designs missions around the army he wants to play, and he directly said Grey Knights players were playing their army wrong. I'm livid FOR Grey Knights players for him being so dismissive of the problems of the codex.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
I’m sure Reece will be around soon to tell us that we just haven’t been playing the army right and this beta rule actually helps GK because other armies can’t deepstrike on us.

I see Reece is the new Matt Ward. Always need that boogeyman!

BE CAREFUL! IF YOU SAY HIS NAME THREE TIMES, HE'LL APPEAR AND NERF YOUR ARMY!

Unless you play the same army he plays, then it will be ultra OP!

Wow. Orks are gonna be ultra OP!

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Wow. Orks are gonna be ultra OP!

He’s previously claimed Guard is his favorite army.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
I’m sure Reece will be around soon to tell us that we just haven’t been playing the army right and this beta rule actually helps GK because other armies can’t deepstrike on us.

I see Reece is the new Matt Ward. Always need that boogeyman!

After the beta smite rules (+1 each cast) came out he told me in another thread how GK actually got better because of that nerf, cause we won’t take as much damage from enemy smite (when every unit we have already denied it with a +1) and telling us that most of the problems GK are having are due to how they play the army.

And except for that bit of fluff about the sisters in 5th, GK players generally like Matt Ward

So he has a different opinion on how to play GKs. That is certainly a reason to hate him.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
he directly said Grey Knights players were playing their army wrong. I'm livid FOR Grey Knights players for him being so dismissive of the problems of the codex.

This is spot on. It was a really absurd set of comments he made, and pretty clearly explains why GK are absolute garbage.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
So he has a different opinion on how to play GKs. That is certainly a reason to hate him.

It isn't just saying he would play them different. He is saying you were playing them wrong and that allies were available to use.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
So he has a different opinion on how to play GKs. That is certainly a reason to hate him.

It isn't just saying he would play them different. He is saying you were playing them wrong and that allies were available to use.

I understand that. And I also understand you all are seeking validation for hating him.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
So he has a different opinion on how to play GKs. That is certainly a reason to hate him.

It isn't just saying he would play them different. He is saying you were playing them wrong and that allies were available to use.

I understand that. And I also understand you all are seeking validation for hating him.

Ehh, you're reaching here. His comment was worse than some people on this very forum made/make and they get flamed for theirs. He doesn't get a fire shield just for being a 40k celebrity.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
So he has a different opinion on how to play GKs. That is certainly a reason to hate him.

It isn't just saying he would play them different. He is saying you were playing them wrong and that allies were available to use.

What happens is that as you ally on more good stuff to cover for grey Knights problems, you inevitably realize greyknights suck at everything, and at that point you might as well play guard.

Bulgrins are better paladins anyways.

I'm not giving him a pass. If you guys want to waste your time raging about it. You can join the legion of T'au conspiracy theorists, and the butthurt Blood Angels, and all the others who decided because he said something silly about your precious army he is the worst human being ever.

I think it is stupid.

Yeah, Grey Knights have the short end of the stick. And the end is really short.

I'm entirely curious as to how our much despised celebrity friend [are there really celebrities in 40k?] thinks the army should be played.

I'm at a loss, and there's usually something nice I can find to say about armies.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Yeah, Grey Knights have the short end of the stick. And the end is really short.

I'm entirely curious as to how our much despised celebrity friend [are there really celebrities in 40k?] thinks the army should be played.

I'm at a loss, and there's usually something nice I can find to say about armies.

He said the proper way to play GK is with AM allies, and that playing pure GK lists is the “wrong way to play”. He also said that GK should not be using Smite more than once or twice a turn, as they have other more useful powers to use instead. Not sure why anyone that plays GK in 8th would not have gotten a bit pissed off at being told that their army isn’t design to be an army, it’s designed to be a flavor element to a another more useful army. That’s not only a comment on bad game design, that’s a comment on bad community support.

SJ

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
So he has a different opinion on how to play GKs. That is certainly a reason to hate him.

It isn't just saying he would play them different. He is saying you were playing them wrong and that allies were available to use.

I understand that. And I also understand you all are seeking validation for hating him.

Go ahead and look up what he said then.

We don't NEED to look for validation. He said everything himself.

Seriously, Why does it matter?

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Seriously, Why does it matter?

It's a guy helping run big events with missions that cater to the army he wants to play, and then tells Grey Knights players in the Community they're playing their army wrong and to ally in an army he likes to play.

If you want the text of Reece's comments pre-LVO: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/733325.page

The reason why it matters is because GW has stated that they take the input of various TOs into heavy consideration when designing the rules. Reece Robbins, as the frontman for Frontline Gaming has had inputs into the rules...we've seen suggestions from their forums/podcasts end up as rules and one could argue that FLG's contribution is the biggest since ITC is such a major ruleset and used by several larger GTs. So when someone who is in effect a "rules writer" shows an ignorance about how an army functions and that same army gets crippled by back-to-back rules changes while his/her favorite army gets an extremely fluffy and powerful codex (and now a set of FAQs that make them better) it puts them in the same boat as any selfish/ignorant GW rules writer. The difference is that they should (and claim to) know the competitive scene better than GW.

There was an infamous statement by a rules writer regarding T-sons a few editions ago: "an army with two wounds has a lot going for it" (spoiler: it didn't). Reece's comment that the smite change helped GK is on the same level.

So you're conflating his role in the process in order to validate your rage. If it was say Phil Kelley, or Alan Crudence I could sympathize with you.

You guys are blaming the equipment manager for an interception your quarterback threw.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
So you're conflating his role in the process in order to validate your rage. If it was say Phil Kelley, or Alan Crudence I could sympathize with you.

You guys are blaming the equipment manager for an interception your quarterback threw.

If the equipment manager was buying gak gloves or a ball you'd be able to blame them, right?

Or maybe Reece is correct and you guys just don't know how to play with your balls correctly.

 Marmatag wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
he directly said Grey Knights players were playing their army wrong. I'm livid FOR Grey Knights players for him being so dismissive of the problems of the codex.

This is spot on. It was a really absurd set of comments he made, and pretty clearly explains why GK are absolute garbage.

Does he have any sway over the GW balance team?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
he directly said Grey Knights players were playing their army wrong. I'm livid FOR Grey Knights players for him being so dismissive of the problems of the codex.

This is spot on. It was a really absurd set of comments he made, and pretty clearly explains why GK are absolute garbage.

Does he have any sway over the GW balance team?

All we know is he was one of the beta rules tester (that GW used to make the Indices) and might still give feedback to GW as an ongoing rules tester. I think he might've said he also made suggestions for the Astra Militarum Codex directly but I can't remember that last part.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
he directly said Grey Knights players were playing their army wrong. I'm livid FOR Grey Knights players for him being so dismissive of the problems of the codex.

This is spot on. It was a really absurd set of comments he made, and pretty clearly explains why GK are absolute garbage.

Does he have any sway over the GW balance team?

Reece and Frankie, as well as many other TOs (NOVA, AdeptiCon, etc) are on the playtest team. And they have worked on all of the codexes and Beta rules to date, according to my understanding. How the playtests are actually done and how feedback works is unknown because of NDAs. So unless GW decides to tell us how much influence any given Playtester has, it's all speculation and rumor.

 KingCorpus wrote:
It's a beta rule, don't use it if you're not enjoying it.

If you don't enjoy it, email them and explain in detail.so this beta rule never come a to an official rule.

I also don't support this beta rule.

Sure. Enjoy looking at your models on shelves unable to find opponent willing to play without them.

If I remember correctly Reece's comments on Grey Knights were along the lines of this "In the current meta, to play GK effectively and competitively they should be played as an allied force to another army. Probably one that can provide a screen that GK lack, such as Guard."

As I understood his comments were entirely regarding how to play GK successfully (in his opinion) in the current competitive setting.

Let's not make it something it isn't. There's no need to demonize someone who has undoubtedly done a ton of good for the game and community. It's weird that it happens at all, this singling out of one individual who happens to do a video cast every week.

The playtesters are just that. They don't tell GW what to do and I suspect their level of influence is extremely low.

If you want a real reason for the way GK are now you need look no further than Custodes. GW obviously wanted them to be the elite army of choice and their resource in terms of rules writing went to them.

Indont think GK are dead but they just got smacked with the Nerf bat. It will be a uphill struggle to win. I think the CP increase is nice but it gives IG a massive advantage.

psa