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Sterling191 wrote:

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Just let me put Chainswords on Reivers, the Chainsword is one of the, if not most iconic 40K weapons, let me put them on the Reivers

The combat knives are mechanically identical to chainswords.

I get that, but from an appearance standpoint on my minis, Chainswords look so much cooler and for a unit that is supposed to "Terrorize" oppsing units, I would be much more terrified of a buzzing hand held chainsaw, than an overgrown Bowie knife

Whose scarier "Crocodile Dundee" or "Leatherface"

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Just let me put Chainswords on Reivers, the Chainsword is one of the, if not most iconic 40K weapons, let me put them on the Reivers

The combat knives are mechanically identical to chainswords.

I get that, but from an appearance standpoint on my minis, Chainswords look so much cooler and for a unit that is supposed to "Terrorize" oppsing units, I would be much more terrified of a buzzing hand held chainsaw, than an overgrown Bowie knife

Whose scarier "Crocodile Dundee" or "Leatherface"

Then glue chainswords on your Reivers. That's what I did. From WYSIWYG perspective it is perfectly fine, as the rules are identical.

 Crimson wrote:

Then glue chainswords on your Reivers. That's what I did. From WYSIWYG perspective it is perfectly fine, as the rules are identical.

^^^^^

The knives are modeled well enough you can just clip of the blades and put pretty much anything on top of the guard that you want. It's a flat contact point that's absolutely perfect for conversions.

I've done it with chainswords, pistols, combi-weapons, carbines, you name it.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Then glue chainswords on your Reivers. That's what I did. From WYSIWYG perspective it is perfectly fine, as the rules are identical.

^^^^^

The knives are modeled well enough you can just clip of the blades and put pretty much anything on top of the guard that you want. It's a flat contact point that's absolutely perfect for conversions.

I've done it with chainswords, pistols, combi-weapons, carbines, you name it.

You're right and that's what I'm, going to do, my Reivers will wield Chainswords

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Just let me put Chainswords on Reivers, the Chainsword is one of the, if not most iconic 40K weapons, let me put them on the Reivers

The combat knives are mechanically identical to chainswords.

I get that, but from an appearance standpoint on my minis, Chainswords look so much cooler and for a unit that is supposed to "Terrorize" oppsing units, I would be much more terrified of a buzzing hand held chainsaw, than an overgrown Bowie knife

Whose scarier "Crocodile Dundee" or "Leatherface"

Australians scare me a lot so I dunno...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 Freeflow44 wrote:

Just let me put Chainswords on Reivers, the Chainsword is one of the, if not most iconic 40K weapons, let me put them on the Reivers

The combat knives are mechanically identical to chainswords.

I get that, but from an appearance standpoint on my minis, Chainswords look so much cooler and for a unit that is supposed to "Terrorize" oppsing units, I would be much more terrified of a buzzing hand held chainsaw, than an overgrown Bowie knife

Whose scarier "Crocodile Dundee" or "Leatherface"

Australians scare me a lot so I dunno...

It's not Australians that want to kill you, it's all of their animals that want to kill you

Are you more scared of that 7-foot-tall Super Soldier in bright Blue/Red/whatever armor with bright bling and a giant gun sneaking through your house to kill you with a knife you can't hear, or a chainsword you can hear a mile off? I mean, the chainsword would *definitely* give them away.

To the deaf people or people with a blindfold on, as the others would see him first.

Wait, that's a stupid question.

Bharring wrote:
Are you more scared of that 7-foot-tall Super Soldier in bright Blue/Red/whatever armor with bright bling and a giant gun sneaking through your house to kill you with a knife you can't hear, or a chainsword you can hear a mile off? I mean, the chainsword would *definitely* give them away.

To the deaf people or people with a blindfold on, as the others would see him first.

Wait, that's a stupid question.

They don't need to start the Chainsword until they're close, and based on videos with Chainswords they...don't really appear to be that loud.

epronovost wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
They haven't brought it up at all. And there is no lore currently on it.

It would be rather stupid to throw them immediately into primaris suits until they have at least master the first steps of the process.

The training process of vanilla Space Marine is very short. In two or three years, a recruit is ready to become a scout and in two or three years, their scout training is over. It make sense since Space Marines aren't numerous and suffer casualties often. Primaris Marines were technically all fully trained Space Marines ready for action, but frozen. So, at the current moment in time, all of them are experimented enough and even veteran of a Crusade. It's probable that reinforcement or new Primaris Marine will simply be trained for a longer period of time before integrating their Chapter forces which is possible thanks to the fact their number is still high. In that, they will be more like Grey Knights or SoB.

They didn’t have scouts pre heresy I believe. You got your suit of power armour and were off to battle.

robbienw wrote:
I don’t think you can describe the Primaris range as new anymore. Most of it has been out for a year and a half.

Marines have been around 30 years. Primaris, timewise, are still in diapers. So, yeah, new.

New compared to standard marines or anything else in 40k yeah.

They aren't a new range anymore though. They have been out for 1.5 years!

I would love it if all the major tournaments and tournament circuits just up and decided to allow Primaris Marines to fit in any Space Marine transport. If everyone is playing it that way, what is GW going to do but relent after awhile. If not, who cares. SM need a little help anyways.

Before any additional units hit, I'd love it if they tweaked the rules on each of the current units. Many of these are super minor, but if a new wave of Primaris are to come, I'd love to see it include the small things that will make the line just a bit more full. In order of importance from least to possibly most:

- Intercessors should be equipped with heavy bolt pistols and their frag grenades should have the fragstorm profile - Cawl upgraded everything but forgot those bits? Super lame
- Inceptors seem honestly pretty powerful and what they need most is support auras that can keep up, which is sort of what the new units (we think) might be able to do
- Hellblasters probably should stop paying a premium for their inferior alternative weapon options - make them worth that premium or make them cheaper
- Repulsor definitely got better with the drop in the turret weapon cost (both varieties) and the reduction in twin las, but now we're at a weird spot with the lastalon and normal onslaught. Talon is the same cost as the twin LC, but has half the range - should probably be 32-35. Normal onslaught is exactly half the shots of the heavy, so it should probably be exactly half the cost, saving a point (meh, it's something)
- Aggressors of the flamer variety should probably have the option to take the fragstorm grenade launcher as well
- Redemptor needs the ability to move and fire heavy weapons without a penalty - the point drops were awesome, but it's still competing internally with a literally boatload of other Dreadnought options. The super plasma cannon should probably just be heavy 6 or have increased damage on both profiles
- Reivers need to actually be disruptive, either by tweaking their special wargear and rules to last longer or be more impactful, or to make them killier for their cost

Solving these means the next releases don't have to try and address gaps that a current unit should have covered already. Sure, changing the pistol profile on the Intercessors doesn't solve anything (still think it should happen), but that's why it's at the top of the list. Getting the Redemptor into place for elite/tank/monster hunting where mobility doesn't affect its accuracy would fill the same gap that an MBT would, so why is an MBT needed? Reivers being deadly in melee would instantly make them the Primaris melee option rather than requesting a whole new unit to do the same job that this one was supposed to do.

Which means the only things I want to see expanding the Primaris line are fast, mobile HQ options, a cheap barebones land speed storm style transport, and an infantry unit with a true anti-tank weapon.

Honestly I'm shocked Intercessors don't get Heavy Bolt Pistols. It just makes so little sense.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Honestly I'm shocked Intercessors don't get Heavy Bolt Pistols. It just makes so little sense.

The models don't have heavy bolt pistols.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Honestly I'm shocked Intercessors don't get Heavy Bolt Pistols. It just makes so little sense.

The models don't have heavy bolt pistols.

All their pistols are in their holsters outside a build for the Sergeant. Can you even really tell?

The Heavy Bolt Pistols don't even look much different to the regular one that the Intercessor dude holds.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Honestly I'm shocked Intercessors don't get Heavy Bolt Pistols. It just makes so little sense.

The models don't have heavy bolt pistols.

LOL. Not sure if this is meant to be a serious retort or not but either way, thanks for the laugh.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

All their pistols are in their holsters outside a build for the Sergeant. Can you even really tell?

The Heavy Bolt Pistols don't even look much different to the regular one that the Intercessor dude holds.

But the pistols that are not in holsters are clearly different, the heavy ones are much bigger. So yes, I can tell.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

All their pistols are in their holsters outside a build for the Sergeant. Can you even really tell?

The Heavy Bolt Pistols don't even look much different to the regular one that the Intercessor dude holds.

But the pistols that are not in holsters are clearly different, the heavy ones are much bigger. So yes, I can tell.

Well my Mk3 Marines have different Bolters than my Mk4 ones. Should those have different stats too?

The answer is no. Universal consistency makes more sense.

Bremon wrote:

LOL. Not sure if this is meant to be a serious retort or not but either way, thanks for the laugh.

Perfectly serious. This is how GW makes their rules. Model makers make some bits, and then the rule guys come up with rules for those bits. So that's is the reason why the rules for these pistols are different. (Granted, the bolt carbines and auto bolt rifles look different too, yet have same rules. This, however, is an anomaly.)

Furthermore, I'm really not sure why Intercessors should have the better pistols too, they already outperform the Reivers in most regards. If anything, it is the Reivers who would need a buff.