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ccs 788838 10817630 wrote:
Kind of.
I almost always play mono forces. ATM the armies I have have at the ready are SW, SM Dreadnoughts, Dark Angels, and Ad-Mech*. Each force has it's own case. Each case contains about 5k pts worth of stuff. Included in that case is Codex, other pages I'll need, dice, tokens, cards, tape measure, etc.
So yeah, whichever force I've brought that day? Barring something that's literally been dropped from the game (shoved into Legends doesn't count) & lives only on my shelf, you're looking at my entire collection of it.
We generally play 2k pts. With any of my cases I can easily scale it up/down (or more/less powerful) as needed. Should the day ever come when I randomly need to field more than 5k I guess I'll be screwed/playing at a disadvantage....

Other than my Guard & Tyranids (wich are still in storage) every force I own follows this pattern of everything fitting in 1 case.

Now and then I'll bring a large Knight/a Thunder Hawk/a Termite/or a Warhound Titan - thus requiring a second case. But those games are known ahead of time.

*Once the Ad-Mech archeocopter thing comes out the 'Mech will be needing a larger case....

So this end with one guy having 2000 pts of X and another having 2000pts of Y, X is much powerful then Y. X guy tells the Y guy he should spend money on weaker models, so he can have fun. The Y guy tells the X guy, that maybe he should have either bought a good army or maybe he should buy good models. Game doesn't happen. And if the store doesn't have 40 people playing in it, you are very soon limited to playing 2-3 people over and over again. And if your army is really good or really bad, you may have no one to play against.

This is before any social stuff, people not liking each other, people wanting to play a specific army or specific models. It would just wreck the ability for anyone to find multiple opponents. At the same time other games, including ones made by GW, do not seem to have such problems.

The force your opponent to buy and play with models he doesn't want is a very w40k thing. Never seen in it in inifnity or kill team. And I have a feeling that Xwing and warmachine are probably the same, because historical players don't force others to buy specific models either.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Then you have a nice local. My local is comp X-wing and you will need to talk to them about playing a no comp game if you want a friendly game.

This is something a lot of people forget when they discuss 40k. Everyone has a different meta scene but a lot of posters on Dakka are under the impression that everyone is playing by the same standards.

Even if stuff is different and metas are different, the chance a 13y old in UK , Spain and Italy building his first 2000pts list is willing to suddenly spend money on 500-700pts of stuff to make the game more fair for someone else is extremly low.

It is only a thing for people playing for 10+ years with multiple armies or more then 2000pts in a faction. Which helps new players in absolutly no way. And I doubt GW is tailoring the game for people who have 10000pts . And if they do, then they should say it.

Karol wrote:
Even if stuff is different and metas are different, the chance a 13y old in UK , Spain and Italy building his first 2000pts list is willing to suddenly spend money on 500-700pts of stuff to make the game more fair for someone else is extremly low.

It is only a thing for people playing for 10+ years with multiple armies or more then 2000pts in a faction. Which helps new players in absolutly no way. And I doubt GW is tailoring the game for people who have 10000pts . And if they do, then they should say it.

Just brings up the point raised in this or other threads (that all seem to end up circling the same points).

When I was 13 I might get a box or something at Christmas and Birthday, and maybe scrouged up some pocket money through the year to acquire another couple.
The idea of just sitting down and blowing £500-1000 (in today's money - obviously it was less then, but my pocket money was about 15-50% what children apparently get on average today) would seem like madness.
Putting together a 2k army on this basis would take a year or two, in which time the meta would almost certainly shift. Having cool models to show off to your other 13 year old friends tended to be a bigger driver then "mathhammer dictates this is the best."

Now I accept that people do seemingly do this to enter the hobby today - and in that case, yes, I guess if everyone else only plays top 8 LVO performing LVO lists, and you turn up with your "max Reivers Black Templars list" then thats going to suck. But... its also a really weird way to engage with the hobby.

But its also this debate about talking with the hobby.

I'm left believing certain posters turn up at their FLGS and go.
"40k?
"Yeah."
"2k points"
"Yeah."
Two. Hours. Later
"You win."
"Thx"
"Bye"
"Cya."

And...thats it. Which I guess I can imagine, but it seems so weirdly socially awkward and stilted that even as a weirdly socially awkward nerd I can't imagine it.

Having played LOTR from GW for years now, I will say that GW is certainly capable of making a balanced rule-set where lists matter.

The problem, of course, is that they don't want to for some reason, even if it would be optimal.

Karol wrote:
Even if stuff is different and metas are different, the chance a 13y old in UK , Spain and Italy building his first 2000pts list is willing to suddenly spend money on 500-700pts of stuff to make the game more fair for someone else is extremly low.

It is only a thing for people playing for 10+ years with multiple armies or more then 2000pts in a faction. Which helps new players in absolutly no way. And I doubt GW is tailoring the game for people who have 10000pts . And if they do, then they should say it.

I know your meta is gakky but for the most part I don't and haven't known any 13 year olds who would pick up this game with any sort of aim to build a competitive army. When I was 13 I was allowed to buy one of the lower priced blister packs when we went to the city and I'd get a big box for Christmas or my birthday and usually I'd only get what I thought was cool and for the most part we never even played the game correctly.

Hell, we have an 18 year old who just joined the group and he only buys what he thinks looks cool, still not sure if he even knows how to build an army come to think of it.

 Sim-Life wrote:

Karol wrote:
Even if stuff is different and metas are different, the chance a 13y old in UK , Spain and Italy building his first 2000pts list is willing to suddenly spend money on 500-700pts of stuff to make the game more fair for someone else is extremly low.

It is only a thing for people playing for 10+ years with multiple armies or more then 2000pts in a faction. Which helps new players in absolutly no way. And I doubt GW is tailoring the game for people who have 10000pts . And if they do, then they should say it.

I know your meta is gakky but for the most part I don't and haven't known any 13 year olds who would pick up this game with any sort of aim to build a competitive army. When I was 13 I was allowed to buy one of the lower priced blister packs when we went to the city and I'd get a big box for Christmas or my birthday and usually I'd only get what I thought was cool and for the most part we never even played the game correctly.

Hell, we have an 18 year old who just joined the group and he only buys what he thinks looks cool, still not sure if he even knows how to build an army come to think of it.

I'm still like that, and it majorly sucks. I'll buy a new model because it's cool (e.g. Keeper of Secrets) and then watch it get blasted off the board each and every game turn 1 without fail, unless there is terrain. If there's terrain sufficient to block LOS to a keeper, then maybe I'll get to use it if I can navigate around the ruin (since they can't go through them).

It's to the point that I'll be like "let me buy another keeper and paint it up all cool and golden so it's EXALTED for the new rules" and then some part of me says "Ehh, eugh, is it really worth it not to just use your existing models? It's not like anyone else cares, and it'll just get killed over and over anyways."