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The fit I am thinking about for my falcon is: scatter laser, shuri cannon upgrade, vectored engine, holofield, spirit stones.

Do I need the shuri cannon? With only a 24" range I am thinking not. But more s6 shots are always attractive.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

ender502

Knee-jerk reaction?  Take the Shuriken Cannon.

But your Falcon already has all the other trimmings, so I suppose it depends on how you intend to use it.  Will this be a snakes on a plane..plane? or do you have something else in mind.  If you are going to use the star engines to move 36" right towards his tanks, you won't really need the cannon.  You'll probably get shaken and lose a gun or maybe float to the ground, and then next turn your guys will hop out and blow up the tank.  But if the falcon is part of a trio or will be doing mid range shooting then the Shuriken is totally worth it.  7 strength 6 shots are deadly and the falcon will usually be in 24" range if you are making a move on a part of the enemy army.  If this is how you will be using the falcon, I'd drop the star engines.

Yes, the range will help keep it at range from rapid firing plasma and assaults.

It will probably be part of a group of 3. I am not sold on the 3 falcons yet. If I go that route I will take the shuri cannon. I want to fool around with fire prisms and war walkers as well.

Thanks,

ender502

A 5% cost increase to add another heavy weapon seems cheap to me. I always add the ShC.

When you take your third "armament destroyed" result and remain a scoring unit, you'll be glad you took it for the cost.

Falcons sometimes take quite a pounding. It happens to me fairly often that the shuriken cannon saves a falcon from immobilization.

I'm not sure I follow... The base T-L Shuricats count as a weapon, no?

Anyway, I take the Shuricannon. I think the added firepower is worth it, but even moreso, the added range. A weapon with 12" range may as well not even be there.

shruiken cats are defensive weapons, so it counts as imobilized

just because the tl shuriken catapults are defensive doesn't mean anything. if a weapon is strength four or higher, it can be removed on a weapons destroyed result, so the falcon already does have 3 possibilities w/o upgrading to a shuriken cannon.

I run dragons in my falcon almost always, and I put the cannon on half the time. for me, it is usually the last item I add on if I have the extra points.

Posted By ender502 on 12/13/2006 5:33 AM

The fit I am thinking about for my falcon is: scatter laser, shuri cannon upgrade, vectored engine, holofield, spirit stones.

Do I need the shuri cannon? With only a 24" range I am thinking not. But more s6 shots are always attractive.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

ender502

 

thats exactly the way i would take them, you hit on 4s the extra S6 shots always help. but it really depends on how you like to play and if you want to spend the points. as a tank player i say the more shots the better 8)

My Falcons end up shaken about half the game (go figure). When I do get the chance to fire, I want to fire as much as possible. I take the Cannon upgrade. This helps against the light/med armor running around and an extra gun that can at 24" or more. Finally, they are cheaper now to take than before, so it seems a better buy.

I think the S. Cannon is almost manditory.

The Falcon only has a BS of 3, so in order to capitalize on the seconf weapon, you want a weapon with multiple shots. Meaning that the EML and Brightlance are out (especially sine you can't fire them and the Pulsa Lazer on the move). So that leaves the S. Cannon, Scatter Lazer, and Star Cannon.

The Star Cannon is a decent option, it's low AP compliments the Pulse Lazer which makes the fact that it is only 2 shots less disadvantageous.

The Scatter Lazer has the range to match the Pulse Lazer and puts out the most shots, usually this is the prefered choice.

The S. Cannon is not as good because the range is lower than need be.

But in either case of the above, adding the only 10 point upgrade have the ability as people move in to add 30% more fire power should always be worth it.

Whoops, yes, you're right Phryx. I remembered the rule as saying "weapon greater than strength 4" when actually it says "weapon of strength 4 or greater."

Okay, so forget what I said.

There are some reasons to take the EML.

48" range
Able to fire plasma missile and pulse laser at the same time
Still able to threaten tanks after the first weapon destroeyd.

Not if you want to keep that nice "skimmers movng fast" rule in play. Falcons taking Penetrating hits are bad.



The Falcon shouldn't worry to much about tanks, and I think you understimate the ability of STR. 6. Also Falcons are usually carting around Fire Dragons.

Bottom line there are better ways to field EML in the Eldar List (Gaurdians and Wraithlords).

Just as a side note -- the best way to field the EML is on Wave Serpents, I think. The twin linking makes up for the piss poor Guardian shooting skills, and the mobility means you can choose the right target for either warhead -- plus, it's cheaper than the more popular Starcannon option.

-Adso

Heh, if I recall the rules right, you're correct, and that's a funny rules effect. A Missile Launcher sometimes is a defensive weapon, and sometimes isn't, depending on the type of shot. Do Krak missiles have more recoil or something?

on a serpent? no way go for a TLd bright lance to go with the S cannon and make it a threat to everything on the table.

 

 

 

well if you want to be really mean instead of falcons run eldar firestorms from FW-3 count them 3 scatter lasers and a S cannon for troop killing goodness

I like my Falcons to be a little cheaper than most. However the real reason I dont take shuriken cannon is because the models didnt initially come with them. Saying that what is a Faclons shooting target.

The pulse laser must be the defining armament and is only logically backed up with starcannon (4xAp2 shots). Bright lances and missile launchers have two main weapon problems and are too expensive to merely keep as spares.
Sometimes a scatter laser or shuriken cannon turret mount and a shurken cannon ventral mount make a logical combination, but this costs as much as a starcannon, and I know which I would rather have.

However for a Fire Prism a secondary mount with bite is essential.

don't focus to hard on the ap of ther shots-eldar shooting your missing with half, then there is the fact units your shooting at are likely to be in cover. i would rather have 7 S6 AP4 shots and 2 S8 AP2 shots VS 4 S8/S6 AP2 shots

Posted By mughi3 on 12/23/2006 1:18 PM

i would rather have 7 S6 AP4 shots and 2 S8 AP2 shots VS 4 S8/S6 AP2 shots

AP4?

Posted By bigchris1313 on 12/23/2006 1:23 PM

Posted By mughi3 on 12/23/2006 1:18 PM

i would rather have 7 S6 AP4 shots and 2 S8 AP2 shots VS 4 S8/S6 AP2 shots

AP4?

pulse laser/scatter laser/shuriken cannon loadout :thumbs up:

It's a good loadout- it's the one I use as well. But none of the guns in it are AP4.

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/24/2006 6:42 AM
It's a good loadout- it's the one I use as well. But none of the guns in it are AP4.

But if we take a weighted average (according to shots) of the 3 weapons, we get an average AP of roughly 4.8.  And a simple average of the 3 weapons yields an average of roughly 4.3, which is also near 4.

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/24/2006 6:42 AM
It's a good loadout- it's the one I use as well. But none of the guns in it are AP4.

been a while since i looked through the new eldar dex but i thought the shuriken cannon was AP4

 

Nope, it's always been AP 5.

If you think your Falcon is going to be doing any shooting then the 10pts are definitely worth it. If, like me, your falcon spends 5 out of 6 turns shaken and when it isn't shaken its moving more than 12" then you want to get the cheapest weapons possible.
It all depends how you're going to use it. Although if you're using it as a gunship and aren't transporting anything then you might as well get a Prism instead, a lot more bang for your buck.

Posted By Mephet'ran on 12/25/2006 1:47 AM
If you think your Falcon is going to be doing any shooting then the 10pts are definitely worth it. If, like me, your falcon spends 5 out of 6 turns shaken and when it isn't shaken its moving more than 12" then you want to get the cheapest weapons possible.
It all depends how you're going to use it. Although if you're using it as a gunship and aren't transporting anything then you might as well get a Prism instead, a lot more bang for your buck.

not really with only 1 shot

i know from my hamerhead experience. when it hits it is golden, when you roll that 1 or 2 you want to fire the tank crew

 

more bang for your buck is a FW firestorm eldar falcon variant.

True, but its FW. I actually meant having more than one Prism. Two Prisms is really good as with the twin-linked it practically never misses and can toast any unit with ease.

For example at 1750 I have a Falcon, two Serpents and two Prisms. The Prisms are massive fire magnets, drawing the fire away from the skimmers with the assault troops. My opponent can't afford not to shoot at the prisms because if he doesn't shake them a S6 AP3 5" blast really hurts.

I know how you feel with the hammerheads. I always play with 3, and when they miss you want to throw the tank against the wall, especially when all three miss the massive Daemon Prince who is about to slaughter your army. My hammerheads may have BS4, but in reality they only hit about 40% of the time.