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It notes in the veil of tears entry that you have to roll to TARGET the unit and VOT doesn't really follow normal stealth rules (Night Fight rules) so the question is, can a Harlequin unit be targeted by barrage weapons?

Only if they're inside the rolled distance. As you have noticed, barrage/indirect/guess weapons allow you to fire at a target despite not having LOS, which helps in Nightfighting. But it doesn't help against the Harlequins, as Veil of Tears doesn't deny LOS, it prevents targeting.

As the barrage rules do not mention targeting, this is still a grey area. Is placing a template over a model considered to be targeting the unit with an attack?

If you don't roll within the spotting distance you may not fire that turn. Clear and simple.

Posted By Moz on 12/14/2006 1:26 PM
As the barrage rules do not mention targeting, this is still a grey area. Is placing a template over a model considered to be targeting the unit with an attack?

Cleary you jest sir.

Page 31, under Barrage weapons states:

"Designate the target unit and place the Blast marker over it. . ."

Barrage weapons cannot target a veiled unit unless they roll enough on the spotting distance, period.

 

Woah, right you are. I somehow got tunnel vision on the 2 bullet marked entries on that page.

I agree then, it is clear barrage weapons require a target unit, and if you don't make the spot check for the harlies then they may not be targeted.

there is one exception.
you can fire castellan missiles from a whirlwind.
the harlequins will then be hit as per the castellan rules from C:SM
finally they're good for something

The veil of tears does mention that you roll the dice and "this is your spotting distance".
It is worded fairly closely to the way the rules for night fight are worded.

I am of the opinion that units that ignore LOS can shoot harlies.

Posted By marv335 on 12/15/2006 1:58 PM
there is one exception.
you can fire castellan missiles from a whirlwind.
the harlequins will then be hit as per the castellan rules from C:SM
finally they're good for something

You can't put a minefield so that it's over enemy models unless you target that squad.

You can, however, put it close and hope it scatters onto them

Posted By cypher on 12/15/2006 2:39 PM
The veil of tears does mention that you roll the dice and "this is your spotting distance".
It is worded fairly closely to the way the rules for night fight are worded.

I am of the opinion that units that ignore LOS can shoot harlies.

If the unit does not roll within spotting distance it may not fire. LOS means nothing. Night fighting rules mean nothing.