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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/12/20 07:10:35
Subject: 1500pts Siam Hann
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Dives with Horses
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Any help is appreciated: (As a note, Farseer is to be attached to Wraithguard unit in Wave Serpent) 1 Farseer @ [135] Pts Fleet; Fortune ; Guide ; Ghost Helm (GH); Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Witnessing (RofWit); Spirit Stones (P:SpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB) 5 Wraithguard @ 380 Pts Add Wave Serpent; Fearless; WraithSight; Wraithcannon (WC) (x5) 1 Wave Serpent @ [180] Pts Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Star Engines (SE); Vectored Engines (VE); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); TL Starcannon (TL-StrCan) 1 Warlock @ [25] Pts Fleet; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB) 4 Guardian Jetbike Squadron @ 98 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x3) 4 Guardian Jetbike Squadron @ 98 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x3) 4 Shining Spears @ 217 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4) 1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [77] Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Star Lance (SL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1) 4 Shining Spears @ 217 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4) 1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [77] Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Star Lance (SL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1) 1 Vyper Squadron @ 140 Pts 1 Vyper @ [70] Pts Scatter Laser (SctL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) 1 Vyper @ [70] Pts Scatter Laser (SctL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) 1 Falcon @ 215 Pts Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Vectored Engines (VE); Starcannon (StrCan); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); Pulse Laser (PL) Total Roster Cost: 1500
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Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/12/20 07:40:16
Subject: RE: 1500pts Siam Hann
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The spread of target types in general looks worrisome. Big single-shot guns go to shake the grav tanks, medium-strength volume shots go to destroy the vypers, small guns and leftovers go on the shining spears, ignore the jetbikes until the endgame because they can't do anything anyway. Since the list doesn't have anything that can assault into cover or do consistent damage over time in hand-to-hand, and since it will gradually lose firepower over time in a protracted shootout, I think it will struggle against shootier opponents with decent covered defensive positions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/12/20 07:47:03
Subject: RE: 1500pts Siam Hann
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Plastictrees
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Oh, and depending on your local group's interpretation of the word "may," your farseer might have to deploy by himself all alone in escalation missions.
An autarch on a jetbike would help out with the assaulting into cover problem. I just tried one for the first time last week and--after playing an escalation mission and getting all but one of my units in turn 2--I can't see ever building an army without one again.
And, finally, I'm not seeing withdraw on the shining spear exarchs. Am I just overlooking it? You are aware that after the initial charge, shining spears get a whopping 1 attack each with a str3 stick?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/12/20 20:56:55
Subject: RE: 1500pts Siam Hann
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Infiltrating Oniwaban
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That's a wee bit concentrated for Saim Hann.
I would drop one unit of Spears and split the Vypers into separate FA slots. The points could be used either for more Vypers (get those medium guns before they get you) or a unit of assault troops to occupy the Falcon- banshees or scorps depending upon your tastes. You could even go for a cheap DA unit in there to hold objectives/take out heavy weapon squads in cover, or a small Warlock escort with destructor to flush out troops in cover (something that's pretty hard with Saim Hann or most mech armies, really).
Also, you could change the Wraithguard into something cheaper as well. It's just a lot of points in one basket, especially as you have only one Serpent. You might find that dropping the Wraith squad and their transport in favor of a second Falcon and 6 Dragons will be more efficient, and reduce that target spread that Flavius mentions.
I am also a fan of 3-elf bike squads. With the fragility and frequent tail-turning of jetbike squads, I find that splitting targets is a more valuable defense than increased size. The units are also that much easier to hide, and can split their own fire more efficiently and max out on cannons. Use a few extra points (if you have them from cutting other things) to add one elf and split them into three squads, each with a cannon.
Finally, I'm a big fan of Farseers on bikes with a mech Eldar army. My Seer does as much anti-tank duty with his Spear as anything else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/12/21 03:50:25
Subject: RE: 1500pts Siam Hann
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Thanks tons for the input, here is the next incarnation:
1 Farseer HQ Unit @ 168 Pts 1 Farseer @ [168] Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Fleet; Turbo-boosters; Fortune ; Guide ; Ghost Helm (GH); Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Witnessing (RofWit); Spirit Stones (P:SpStn); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Singing Spear (SSpr); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
6 Fire Dragons @ 96 Pts Fleet; Fusion Gun (Fg); Melta Bombs
5 Fire Dragons @ 80 Pts Fleet; Fusion Gun (Fg); Melta Bombs
3 Guardian Jetbike Squadron @ 76 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x2)
3 Guardian Jetbike Squadron @ 76 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x2)
3 Shining Spears @ 217 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x3) 1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [112] Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Skilled Rider; WithDraw; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Star Lance (SL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1)
3 Shining Spears @ 217 Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x3) 1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [112] Pts Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Skilled Rider; WithDraw; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Star Lance (SL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1)
1 Vyper Squadron @ 140 Pts 1 Vyper @ [70] Pts Scatter Laser (SctL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) 1 Vyper @ [70] Pts Scatter Laser (SctL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan)
1 Falcon @ 215 Pts Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Vectored Engines (VE); Starcannon (StrCan); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); Pulse Laser (PL)
1 Falcon @ 215 Pts Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Vectored Engines (VE); Starcannon (StrCan); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); Pulse Laser (PL)
Total Roster Cost: 1500
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Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.
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