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It's probably time that people stop thinking about starter sets for anything other than 40K and AoS,

all the rest need to be considered short term story discount boxes, so blightwar, shadowspear, the Warcry 'starter' box, Adeptus titanicus grand master box etc


it's all to easy to think of them as starters that should (and will be around) until the edition change, but that's not just the business model they're running with

I wish they stuck around longer than they are doing at the moment (blightwar was around long enough, that I missed out was down to me, shadowspear not so much),

but it's hard to decide if that's down to higher demand for some stuff, lower level of production down to capacity issues (they are working to fix both the electricity issue and the production and warehouse space),

or to them deciding deliberately they are making less either becauce they underestimated demand, or because they chose not to supply it at a discount (especially if they see a flood of broken boxes on ebay which we certainly do) and will hope people pick stuff up at full price in individual boxes

ecurtz wrote:
That Nightmarish Visage ability for the Unmade is obscene. Warband wide 66% chance to disable enemy movement on a double...

You'll be able to use it on a maximum of three models per turn, and getting that many doubles is unlikely. And you're even less likely to have initiative in the event. And you won't use those dice on other abilities. And it'S not guaranteed to work even if you use it.

Now don't get me wrong, it's a powerful ability and I don't foresee enjoying being on the receiving end of it, but I think because of the way resource generation in Warcry works you can't just use it to lock down a substantial number of models. You'll have to be in the right place at the right time and you'll want to pick your target well. That's decision making during the game, and I approve of mechanics that enable that kind of play.

You're probably not going to have a good time against Unmade if you play a small elite force, though.

Don't forget the rules and cards are on individual sale at the launch time, this suggests that GW were going to exceed their production of core boxes. Also there's one terrain set this week and another next week on pre-order (along with more warbands). So really if you want to get involved you're not kept out; its just if you want the big discount box that you're blocked if you don't get one soon.

That's not a bad thing. I think the starter sets for games like AoS and 40K work well because they contain only a small fraction of the whole army, whilst for games like Warcry it contains the whole game. So there's far less for the average person to expand into in comparison unless they are the sort who "collects everything".

So it makes sense to have smaller block productions of the core discount sets and to use them to jump start popularity at the local level. The only issue I have is when core mechanic elements (like cards) vanish from sale.


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 Geifer wrote:

You're probably not going to have a good time against Unmade if you play a small elite force, though.

At the same time the Unmade are not that high on hit points; so whilst they can lock you down, anything that isn't locked down is likely going to hurt them a lot. The trick will be not splitting up so much that you leave yourself vulnerable to being picked off one by one.

From what I gathered and from the Nighthaunt cards I got today, it seems the non Warcry-specific armies range between disappointing and good. I think it's a nice thing, as I feared that they would be stupidly good and that we'd never see the unique bands just because they're not at the level of the generic ones.

Idoneth Deepkin cards

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/cjuvvb/idoneth_deepkin_cards/

And Gloomspite Gitz

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/cjv1d5/gloomspite_gitz_cards/

Zarbags Gitz comes to 715 pts. using Zarbag as a Boss and squigs are pricey at 140 pts. each. Use 1 Squig add 1 Squighopper and 1 Boingrot Bounder and you have a 995 point Warband.

 DaveC wrote:
Idoneth Deepkin cards

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/cjuvvb/idoneth_deepkin_cards/

And Gloomspite Gitz

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/cjv1d5/gloomspite_gitz_cards/

Zarbags Gitz comes to 715 pts. using Zarbag as a Boss and squigs are pricey at 140 pts. each. Use 1 Squig add 1 Squighopper and 1 Boingrot Bounder and you have a 995 point Warband.

So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?

Chopstick wrote:

So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?

High Tide requires it to be turn 3, assuming that's what you're talking about?
Storm Fire is also exclusive on the Reavers(bowmen) while Sweeping Blows is on the Thralls.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?

High Tide requires it to be turn 3, assuming that's what you're talking about?
Storm Fire is also exclusive on the Reavers(bowmen) while Sweeping Blows is on the Thralls.

No the universal ability : Onslaught (double) : you get +1 attack this activation

Is there any extra restriction on Onslught that I didn't know of?

Legions of Nagash

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/cjvoss/nagash_isout/

Chopstick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

So why use Storm Fire instead of the Double that give +1 attack?

High Tide requires it to be turn 3, assuming that's what you're talking about?
Storm Fire is also exclusive on the Reavers(bowmen) while Sweeping Blows is on the Thralls.

No the universal ability : Onslaught (double) : you get +1 attack this activation

Is there any extra restriction on Onslught that I didn't know of?

I legitimately don't know. I haven't looked at any of the Universals, but I was under the impression that anything special had a rune associated with it that would be on the card?

 Kanluwen wrote:

I legitimately don't know. I haven't looked at any of the Universals, but I was under the impression that anything special had a rune associated with it that would be on the card?

They don't have any Runemark attached

Looking at the "non chaos" factions, I was wondering if some of the cards could be used as more "chaotic beasts" - squigs, gryphhounds, even skeletons and nighthaunts could easily be played as "wandering monsters" and, why not, be used as thralls by the chaos warbands the same way for furies and chaos chickens - I mean raptoryxes.

Could add more variety and danger to the game !

No clue then. Guessing there might be something in the Core Rules that it might only apply to melee attacks?

A large percentage of all faction abilities are just slightly stronger/cheaper versions of the generic 5, usually at the cost of being more circumstantial. No surprise that they just forgot the upside one time and just put in the downside.

Well at least they got, probably the best 80 pts unit in the game.

And last but not least the Bonesplitterz cards

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/ck3s9c/bonesplitterz_leaks/

 DaveC wrote:
And last but not least the Bonesplitterz cards

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCry/comments/ck3s9c/bonesplitterz_leaks/

Another weird +1 attack ability, this time is a triple, with no mention of duration of the attack.

So I guess it's a +1 attack until battle end.

From Warhammer TV (yes, Warhammer TV)...

Love the Tabletop Tactics guys.

Cypher Lords article

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/01/warband-focus-cypher-lords/

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's probably time that people stop thinking about starter sets for anything other than 40K and AoS,

all the rest need to be considered short term story discount boxes, so blightwar, shadowspear, the Warcry 'starter' box, Adeptus titanicus grand master box etc


it's all to easy to think of them as starters that should (and will be around) until the edition change, but that's not just the business model they're running with

I wish they stuck around longer than they are doing at the moment (blightwar was around long enough, that I missed out was down to me, shadowspear not so much),

but it's hard to decide if that's down to higher demand for some stuff, lower level of production down to capacity issues (they are working to fix both the electricity issue and the production and warehouse space),
"
or to them deciding deliberately they are making less either becauce they underestimated demand, or because they chose not to supply it at a discount (especially if they see a flood of broken boxes on ebay which we certainly do) and will hope people pick stuff up at full price in individual boxes

It is the new GW norm. I wouldn't try to think about it too much as it doesn't make any sense. Any other planning personal who failed so epically would be fired but it has been continuous like this. My guess is they don't want to have to store it or keep the sku's on hand so they make X amount where X is a set amount to indicate one run. So if one run is 10,000 units then that is what it is. it goes from production every place gets 1-3 boxes and done. Atleast that is how it has been. Might be a few vendors who have more then 3 allotment but doubtful. For Warcry they might do a double or triple run of the amount they put out for the other box sets as they said they would have them "in stock" which only means they have to make more then the preorders realistically. I don't anticipate them lasting either way, despite what all the prophet fanboys say.

I wonder if my Warcry stuff arrives today, the store sent it out yesterday. I got stuff before Saturday from them already, so
why not Warcry too. Would be nice, as I'm away tomorrow.

I really want to preorder the upcoming bands as well, but they're a bit SOON, actually, I won't even have all the *terrain* build in a week.

PS: I'm still slaving away on a band of Egyptian "gladiators" -with animal masks like ye olde gods- fighting in the pits of Sigmars cities, though they're probably a Tzeentch cult. Besides the fact that the Cypher Lords are thematically very much like them now, I have trouble to find some more interesting bodyshapes to use. Everyone is supposed to have a different height and body type. It's surprisingly HARD to find a more classic sized GW male human without a shirt (so no Bloodreavers or Kairics, they're alteady in the huuuge group by height) The flagellant kit is semi-decent, but I already have ripped dudes en masse (based on electropriest, Exalted Deathbringer, Slaughterpriest and Thaumaturge plus Warboss). Now I'm looking at Ratskins (lotsa guns, though, and the cooler ones are pricey) and poxwalkers sans horns and boils. Mordheim gladiators (those with the crazy helmets) are out, because they're horrible sculpts). Any ideas besides maybe plundering my new Warcry bands - if they're not all huuuge, too, my GW didn't have the running peasant nearby for scale purposes.

I would have pointed to Flagellants tbh. Sly Marbo (but also ripped)?

Or Beastmen Ungors, with legs and heads swapped out? The metal ones are probably better, but that's much harder than finding or converting the newer plastics and a few of those might work.

 Binabik15 wrote:
PS: I'm still slaving away on a band of Egyptian "gladiators" -with animal masks like ye olde gods- fighting in the pits of Sigmars cities, though they're probably a Tzeentch cult. Besides the fact that the Cypher Lords are thematically very much like them now, I have trouble to find some more interesting bodyshapes to use. Everyone is supposed to have a different height and body type. It's surprisingly HARD to find a more classic sized GW male human without a shirt (so no Bloodreavers or Kairics, they're alteady in the huuuge group by height) The flagellant kit is semi-decent, but I already have ripped dudes en masse (based on electropriest, Exalted Deathbringer, Slaughterpriest and Thaumaturge plus Warboss). Now I'm looking at Ratskins (lotsa guns, though, and the cooler ones are pricey) and poxwalkers sans horns and boils. Mordheim gladiators (those with the crazy helmets) are out, because they're horrible sculpts). Any ideas besides maybe plundering my new Warcry bands - if they're not all huuuge, too, my GW didn't have the running peasant nearby for scale purposes.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Wh-Underworlds-The-Eyes-Of-The-Nine-2018-eng

These dudes have 4 different shirtless torsos, and the two avian themed ones could work for bird-headed gods with minimal modifications?

The Eyes are Kairic Acolytes, too, so still taller than what I'm after.

I have a huge box with Warcry and some Cypher Lords laying around now, though, so I might have to take a peek into it. At least the kitbashes still unfinished are all waiting for glue to dry or putty to cure...mhm.

 Binabik15 wrote:
The Eyes are Kairic Acolytes, too, so still taller than what I'm after.

I have a huge box with Warcry and some Cypher Lords laying around now, though, so I might have to take a peek into it. At least the kitbashes still unfinished are all waiting for glue to dry or putty to cure...mhm.

What about Electro priests the electrical parts are easy enough to remove or cover up

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Ad-Mec-Fulgurite-Electro-Priests

Edit oh I see you mentioned these already

 Binabik15 wrote:

... Egyptian "gladiators" ... I have trouble to find some more interesting bodyshapes to use.
... classic sized GW male human without a shirt.

I would suggest AoS Namarti Thralls.

I think if someone wanted to go wild with conversions those Cypher Lords would make for some interesting starting points. Especially with the way their helmets are designed so that the actual mask and headdress all attaches on the front you'd really only need the facial features of a mask.

You could do a full- on wuxia warband with the poses they are in too.

Now I need some Chinese jian swords for 30mm models and Tai Chi robes...

Serpent Fangs are up.
They have some surprisingly durable models, rivalling the iron golems

I enjoyed that one of the reasons to play them is:

They can THROW SNAKES AT PEOPLE

Enough said, really.