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Does anyone use them in their list still?

I have a bunch already built, and I would like to include them in a new eldar army, but not sure what to do with them?  What is a good heavy weapon for them?  Do they need warlocks?

Yes, Guardians can be useful to bolster and backup another squad of more deadly aspects. Take 10 with pistols and CCW, and run them up with your Banshee or Harlequins. It is only 100 points, and they have a pair of meltaguns or flamers, and since they fleet they can keep up with the banshee. If you keep them a couple of inches ahead of the banshee, then the banshee cannot be counter charged as easily. (although fleet rolls can make this hard). Right before the banshee charge, the guardians will stand still and shoot, increasing the odds the banshee will totally wipe out the opponent.

Regular guardians can be used in the same manner to bolster dire avengers or fire dragons.

If none of these work, then go to battlewagon bits, grab a bunch of the exarch helmet plumes, and build mod them up into little dire avengers.

 Guardians: Does anyone use them in their list still?

No

I have a bunch already built,

That's to bad.

and I would like to include them in a new eldar army, but not sure what to do with them? 

Play them for fun, or perhaps pellet rifle?

What is a good heavy weapon for them? 

Red Rider, Crossman...

Oh..., actually a Guardian sqaud is a reasonable way to pick up a brightlance for antitank firepower, something the eldar are not very good at, but one BS3 Brightlance, with 10 wounds (use to be less, and therefore cheaper) isn't really a great way to do it either.

Do they need warlocks?

Not really, it makes the sqauds too expensive, but conceal is a good power, if you have to play them anyway.

... Humor aside, guardians are totally surpassed by dire avengers, who got their shuriken catapults to work properly,  the previous advice; to play guardians as "counts as Avengers", and/or to convert them is very prudent.

Good luck. 

Count as Avengers are exactly what mine will serve as until I get my next painted squad of Avengers back. Figures, I bought some 50 of them back when they where a staple unit. Now I've got a whole ton of them with nothing to use them for. Storm Guardians can be nice, but the Defenders... just can't see what I could use them for without finding a better use of points.

I've got loads of guardians left from my old ulthwe army :( . I'm currently using them as bodies in the COD terrain that I'm making at the moment.......

I might try using the storm guardians but I can't really see how the defenders can be useful anymore.

I think there is a small use for the Guardian. While Dire Avengers are better at what the Guardian does, they are more expensive. The current DA template that people take is 10 DA, Exarch w/ PW and Shimmer Shield, Defend, and Blade Storm (about 177 points), then mount in a Wave Serpent (about 130-140 points). You can do the same thing with Guardians at less points (the poor man's DA squad). 12 Guardains plus a Scatter Laser (111 points) and mount in the Wave Serpent (130-140 points). This saves you almost 70 points that can be spent elsewhere. The two big areas that the Guardains are hurt is the BS3 and the lack of CC ability, but the points are cheap and they can be considered a throw away unit if need be. The Guardain almost have the same number of shots as the DA (DA 9 * 3 = 27 shot with Blade Storm, Guardians 11 * 2 + 4 = 26). They do have a S6 gun that can add to their flexibility as well. I am going to have to try these guys and see if the saving on extra points is worth it.

The Wraith

I have actually seen Gaurdians used to good effect.

The local Eldar player here (who has been playing them since rogue trader) is currently building a Gaurdian Heavy army.

Like all things Eldar, it all depends on the support system that you give certain units. In his case he fields an Avatar and Eldrad (he plays Uthwe), so at the start of the game the Gaurdians are taking cover and are fearless, shooting at targets long range as quicker units like Falcons and Warp Spiders are running up a flank. He also uses Rangers to bolster the long range shooting (combinig them with doom is quite effective)

I like Storm Guardians as backup for Aspect warriors, I have spare flamer and fusion models so I can swap role the squad. Most often I use fusion as you can mimic flamer fire easily enough with massed shuripistols. I find them invaluable as a filler unit in case my aspect warriors take an early beating. Storm Guardians mean you have a second chance at anti tank if your Fire Dragons die, assault if you lose your Striking Scorpions etc. While not as remotely effective as specialised aspects in the right place without them an Eldar army relies on keeping their units alive until they are needed. As Eldar are expensive and T3 this can be rather difficult.

Guardian Defenders are just Eldar Imperial Guard, extra wounds for the heavy weapon. Conceal is essential, and also what makes them viable. If you hang around at the back in heavy wepon range but beyond most basic arms (possible excepting pulse rifles) then the guaranteed cover gives them more real term survivability than 4+Sv troops as most long range anti infantry fire is Ap4. So you get a survivable gun in plain view, generally this means a bright lance, the firepower of most othjer guns is not worth the effort. Saying that a cheap walking gunline of massed Guardians with a scatter laser or shuricannon can be effective, just not as effective as the new Dire Avengers.

OldPeculiar- ...I'm currently using them as bodies

Oh that's awful, my honest sympathies sir.

Unfortunately that's what they are appropriately relegated too. I have to many weapons platforms for mine, in the old ratio and I stopped fielding them anyway long before the New eldar codex came out, they were just 7 models and a starcannon... I may never understand, of all the Eldar changes, why the shuriken catapult never got it fixed, having a weapon with the same range as a basic charge for troops that are awful in melle really makes no sense at all especially when almost all other troops in the game can shoot out to 24 inches (and some even better)...

???

I'll use 'em, when I get around to playing 40k again...

I use a full squad with CCW and ShuriPIst, plus a Warlock and Wave Serpent, modeled as Corsairs. They do fairly well IF you give them support and don't over extend them. Infact, I use them a magnet unit. Because of their low stats, opponents can be drawn out in an attempt to destroy then and can then be counter assaulted by Aspect Warriors.

And Eldar DO NOT lack AT firepower. I have 2 words - Fire Prism.

I am not only going to use them, but I am going to bring a lot of them to the gladiator at Adepticon.

Guardians in the Gladiator?

Ok Blackmoor, good luck with that, I predict you get wrecked.

Why though?

I know a tactic involving large squads of guardians and an Avatar. It strikes me as a bit gimmicky and unfluffy, however. Blackmoor has probably come up with something.

Personally, I still like Defenders. They do lose out a bit on efficiently putting out heavy weapon shots, but they can still serve the same main purpose they had in third- offering a little fire support at range while putting a bunch of shuriken cat shots on target for point defense. As ever, if you're immediately assaulting the enemy unit with an Avatar, Wraithlord, or squad of aspect warriors, the 12" range is not exposing your Defenders to death.

I am a bit bummed about Storm guardians. I miss being able to put a small squad in a Falcon with Haywire/ two flamers or fusion guns. The 10/11 man squad with a Warlock can still do decent work in a Wave Serpent. I don't have space for them in 1500, but I've used them in 1750 and 1850.

someone is talking up that guardian tactic here:

http://www.heresy-online.net/viewtopic.php?t=461&sid=05d5b66b6d80c36f62a571216539504a

personally I don't buy into it: the list looks too vulnerable against things like JSJ Tau, which it can't get too, and against double monolith 'crons or armour (despite what the poster claims, i don't think its that easy to get side shots with 36" range guns, most of which are relatively static).

If I do run guardians, is the avatar required? I really want to run an ulthwe list with eldrad, but I want that second farseer.

I think you could do it with a Wraithlord or unit of Harlequins for countercharge instead.

I think the only way to run gaurdian heavy list is with the Avatar. Makes your opponent have to shoot every last gaurdian to take out that platform and mobs of fearless gardians slow down even the most elite assault troops. I call it the Tarbaby tactic and it has served me well so far. I find a 95pt unit of 10 gaurdians with a scat laser to be quite efficient especially when thier fearless.

You can make pretty cheap Guardian squads if you use the Avatar. EML and 10 Guardians are 100 points. With the Avatar, you can consider not taking Warlocks. W/O the Avatar, experience has dictated I really need a Warlock with either a.Conceal/b.Embolden. Embolden being the more popular choice for me as we are playing with a fair amount of cover.

Granted, I'm not barrelling over my opponents with a Guardian heavy army. I run an Ulthwe list and it is changing weekly as I get to play more games with the new codex. I'm not giving up on my Guardians, but they are proving to be more difficult to play these days.

Posted By Mannahnin on 01/25/2007 2:43 PM
 Blackmoor has probably come up with something.

I think I have come up with something, but it is all theory hammer until I get to try it out at a big RTT over President's day weekend.

Posted By Lemartes on 01/26/2007 10:47 AM
I think the only way to run gaurdian heavy list is with the Avatar. Makes your opponent have to shoot every last gaurdian to take out that platform and mobs of fearless gardians slow down even the most elite assault troops. I call it the Tarbaby tactic and it has served me well so far. I find a 95pt unit of 10 gaurdians with a scat laser to be quite efficient especially when thier fearless.

Or they can take out the avatar.

Well, you hide the avatar and string the guardians so only a couple need to be near him.

I didn't have to worry to much about the Avatar as I also use Eldrad. Fortune on the Avatar makes for a nice unit that can get shot up and still keep coming. This does dictate your HQ choices, but it's been fun all the same. Plus, winning some games with a Guardian themed army is pretty entertaining.

Posted By Orlanth on 01/28/2007
Or they can take out the avatar.

Easier said than done.

The Avatar is very hard to kill. Sure a shooting army could take him out with a round of shooting, but that means that the rest of your army is not being touched.

Good luck taking out the Avatar. The list I am using has gone 9-0-1 and I have only lost the Avatar once. I only use him for counter charge if anything gets close other wise he is kept out of sight and more the gaurdians assure everything stays out of rapid fire range. The one draw I had was take and hold against a all deathwing and half his army didn't arrive until second to last turn so I couldn't shoot them up.

Well I plan on using an Avatar, and 3 squads of 20 Storm Guardians with a Warlock with Enhance or Conceal depending. Now its a big chunk of my army but considering how hard it is to get rid of the little buggers their great.

I think their primary job is to tie units up so my other units can do their job without being overly concerned with one end of the board.