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It's up to the viewer to use their intelligence and experience to interpret the pieces of information presented by a TV programme.

No-one is going to sit through 100 interviews to find out how many of them express stupid racist sentiments, etc. (Well, the poor editor of course is forced to do exactly this, to save the viewer the trouble.)

It doesn't mean the right-wing media are not allowed to interview 100 Clinton supporters and cherry pick the stupid ones. Apparently they prefer to concentrate on Republican spin/lies instead.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
I am most amused that the party which for a decade has been pushing Voter ID laws intended to restrict minorities from voting, now wants to tap into the minority vote.

YOR DOIN IT RONG!!


I'm not D or R, but I don't have an issue with Voter ID. Just about every country that has a voting system has something like this in place. I personally think something like a passport should serve double duty. Honestly, in this day and age you should have some kind of identification with your picture on it that identifies that you are who you say you are anyway. If you want to stay at a hotel that isn't roach and flee infested you need something like a driver's license that has a photo. If you need ID to stay in a hotel why shouldn't you need one to vote?

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 NorseSig wrote:
but I don't have an issue with Voter ID.


That is nice but doesn't change the overall impact or idea that they are to designed in such a way to impact one party and minorities disproportionately. The basic idea isn't necessarily problematic but the execution of it almost certainly is.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's up to the viewer to use their intelligence and experience to interpret the pieces of information presented by a TV programme.

No-one is going to sit through 100 interviews to find out how many of them express stupid racist sentiments, etc. (Well, the poor editor of course is forced to do exactly this, to save the viewer the trouble.)

It doesn't mean the right-wing media are not allowed to interview 100 Clinton supporters and cherry pick the stupid ones. Apparently they prefer to concentrate on Republican spin/lies instead.


The issue is the media might choose with their editing the 7 to 10 (more like 3 to 5 a lot of the time) most ignorant, stupid, racist, least informed people in the group who in no way are a fair or actual representation of a group. I don't expect the media to air all the interviews. But, if they want to claim to be journalists they should air some of the interviews from people that are actually representative of the norm for the group with may one or two of the outliers. The intent of the way things currently are is to twist things to fit their narrative and a lot of people by into their bs. The average person sees it on the news and says that must be how they all are.

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 NorseSig wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's up to the viewer to use their intelligence and experience to interpret the pieces of information presented by a TV programme.

No-one is going to sit through 100 interviews to find out how many of them express stupid racist sentiments, etc. (Well, the poor editor of course is forced to do exactly this, to save the viewer the trouble.)

It doesn't mean the right-wing media are not allowed to interview 100 Clinton supporters and cherry pick the stupid ones. Apparently they prefer to concentrate on Republican spin/lies instead.


The issue is the media might choose with their editing the 7 to 10 (more like 3 to 5 a lot of the time) most ignorant, stupid, racist, least informed people in the group who in no way are a fair or actual representation of a group. I don't expect the media to air all the interviews. But, if they want to claim to be journalists they should air some of the interviews from people that are actually representative of the norm for the group with may one or two of the outliers. The intent of the way things currently are is to twist things to fit their narrative and a lot of people by into their bs. The average person sees it on the news and says that must be how they all are.


That clip wasn't from CNN or even MSNBC. It was from the Daily Show, a news satire organization.

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 feeder wrote:
 NorseSig wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's up to the viewer to use their intelligence and experience to interpret the pieces of information presented by a TV programme.

No-one is going to sit through 100 interviews to find out how many of them express stupid racist sentiments, etc. (Well, the poor editor of course is forced to do exactly this, to save the viewer the trouble.)

It doesn't mean the right-wing media are not allowed to interview 100 Clinton supporters and cherry pick the stupid ones. Apparently they prefer to concentrate on Republican spin/lies instead.


The issue is the media might choose with their editing the 7 to 10 (more like 3 to 5 a lot of the time) most ignorant, stupid, racist, least informed people in the group who in no way are a fair or actual representation of a group. I don't expect the media to air all the interviews. But, if they want to claim to be journalists they should air some of the interviews from people that are actually representative of the norm for the group with may one or two of the outliers. The intent of the way things currently are is to twist things to fit their narrative and a lot of people by into their bs. The average person sees it on the news and says that must be how they all are.


That clip wasn't from CNN or even MSNBC. It was from the Daily Show, a news satire organization.


Exactly, it's function is to make fun of actual "news" shows that do this, like The O'Reilly Factor's "Waters World" segments. At the same time though, it is doing the same thing the actual news shows are doing with very little of the actual satire. In other words, one already has to get the joke before it's made, or it just seems like the "real" thing. Basically, it's a sad state when news shows and satires of news shows are almost indistinguishable.

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 NorseSig wrote:
But, if they want to claim to be journalists they should air some of the interviews from people that are actually representative of the norm for the group


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's up to the viewer to use their intelligence and experience to interpret the pieces of information presented by a TV programme.

No-one is going to sit through 100 interviews to find out how many of them express stupid racist sentiments, etc. (Well, the poor editor of course is forced to do exactly this, to save the viewer the trouble.)

It doesn't mean the right-wing media are not allowed to interview 100 Clinton supporters and cherry pick the stupid ones. Apparently they prefer to concentrate on Republican spin/lies instead.


Also, you of course have to filter what you print/broadcast from interviewing people on the ground or else you risk what happens here.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
I am most amused that the party which for a decade has been pushing Voter ID laws intended to restrict minorities from voting, now wants to tap into the minority vote.

YOR DOIN IT RONG!!

I'm amused that you think minorities consider it a big deal.

IMO, the GOP needs to go to the democrat dominated inner cities and show them that much of what ails in their cities is because of democrat policies. But for some reason, very few politicians is willing to address it head on.

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 jmurph wrote:
That's because "traditional values" is right up there in the code words as "traditional white Christian values". Same for "family values". The GOP has repeatedly failed to embrace minorities and immigrants on a national level, to its detriment.


I think we've known that for 20 years, but the issue is how much 'white' was the real emphasis of the message the GOP was putting out there.

Let me put it this way - Republican candidates have been saying 'traditional values' for a long time. But they knew that with the subtext included that the message they were really putting across was 'traditional white Christian values'.

But now it turns out that perhaps the message many Republican voters were actually hearing and responding to was just 'white'.


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 NorseSig wrote:
I'm not D or R, but I don't have an issue with Voter ID. Just about every country that has a voting system has something like this in place.


Australia doesn't. There is no ID used when voting.

I personally think something like a passport should serve double duty. Honestly, in this day and age you should have some kind of identification with your picture on it that identifies that you are who you say you are anyway.


People always say 'should' when this comes up. But the actual reality is that many people don't have ID that would quality. 'Should' is irrelevant, we are dealing with the world as it is, and that world has a couple of million potential voters who lack the valid form of ID.

Honestly, I think there's a lot of merit in a system where the government established a standard ID and gave everyone that ID free. But none of these voter ID systems have done anything like that. Instead what we get is the situation in North Carolina, where during the court hearing it was learned that Republicans actually went and requested demographic voting information and then went through and systematically removed everything that black voters were more likely to use. Black voters were more likely to use early voting... early voting was cut. Black voters were more likely to lack a certain kind of ID... that form of ID was required.

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 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
I am most amused that the party which for a decade has been pushing Voter ID laws intended to restrict minorities from voting, now wants to tap into the minority vote.

YOR DOIN IT RONG!!

I'm amused that you think minorities consider it a big deal.


Tell me more about how minorities aren't really concerned about the GOP's brazen efforts to disenfranchise them via voter ID laws.

I'm sure it's not at all why the GOP candidate is down by 70% among hispanics, and how he is pulling roughly 5% percent of the black vote.

Tell me what minorities really care about though.


 sebster wrote:
Instead what we get is the situation in North Carolina, where during the court hearing it was learned that Republicans actually went and requested demographic voting information and then went through and systematically removed everything that black voters were more likely to use. Black voters were more likely to use early voting... early voting was cut. Black voters were more likely to lack a certain kind of ID... that form of ID was required.


But you need ID to buy beer or a fishing license or whatever, though!






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 whembly wrote:
IMO, the GOP needs to go to the democrat dominated inner cities and show them that much of what ails in their cities is because of democrat policies. But for some reason, very few politicians is willing to address it head on.


It shouldn't be too much of a mystery why very few Republicans are willing to try and sell an impossible fantasy to an already hostile audience.

"No, poverty here is because of the Democrats. Incentives, poverty trap, something something they're the real racists!" is just not going to get anyone anywhere. That's an argument that works with white people in the suburbs who don't want to feel like there's any racial element to the Republican rejection of greater welfare support, but it's not an argument that is ever going to work with black Americans.

The simple reality is that any kind of outreach to the black community is going to have to be a two way street. Republicans for a long time now have asked how they can sell their existing conservative policies to black voters. What they should be asking is how they can offer black voters something they actually want.

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 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
I am most amused that the party which for a decade has been pushing Voter ID laws intended to restrict minorities from voting, now wants to tap into the minority vote.

YOR DOIN IT RONG!!

I'm amused that you think minorities consider it a big deal.


Tell me more about how minorities aren't really concerned about the GOP's brazen efforts to disenfranchise them via voter ID laws.

I'm sure it's not at all why the GOP candidate is down by 70% among hispanics, and how he is pulling roughly 5% percent of the black vote.

Tell me what minorities really care about though.

Without invoking the wrath of the mods on this tired subject... you go ahead and have the last word if it makes you feel better.

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 feeder wrote:
 NorseSig wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's up to the viewer to use their intelligence and experience to interpret the pieces of information presented by a TV programme.

No-one is going to sit through 100 interviews to find out how many of them express stupid racist sentiments, etc. (Well, the poor editor of course is forced to do exactly this, to save the viewer the trouble.)

It doesn't mean the right-wing media are not allowed to interview 100 Clinton supporters and cherry pick the stupid ones. Apparently they prefer to concentrate on Republican spin/lies instead.


The issue is the media might choose with their editing the 7 to 10 (more like 3 to 5 a lot of the time) most ignorant, stupid, racist, least informed people in the group who in no way are a fair or actual representation of a group. I don't expect the media to air all the interviews. But, if they want to claim to be journalists they should air some of the interviews from people that are actually representative of the norm for the group with may one or two of the outliers. The intent of the way things currently are is to twist things to fit their narrative and a lot of people by into their bs. The average person sees it on the news and says that must be how they all are.


That clip wasn't from CNN or even MSNBC. It was from the Daily Show, a news satire organization.


Where at any point did I mention this clip specifically? I didn't. I was specifically talking about how the media conducts these reports. Granted they use a similar approach as the daily show apparently.

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Posts like that whembly will annoy mods. "You go ahead and have the last word (but really I am lol)" aren't adding anything to the discussion. Either respond to the actual points or just don't respond at all

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Australia doesn't. There is no ID used when voting.


I said most not all big difference.

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 sebster wrote:
 whembly wrote:
IMO, the GOP needs to go to the democrat dominated inner cities and show them that much of what ails in their cities is because of democrat policies. But for some reason, very few politicians is willing to address it head on.


It shouldn't be too much of a mystery why very few Republicans are willing to try and sell an impossible fantasy to an already hostile audience.

"No, poverty here is because of the Democrats. Incentives, poverty trap, something something they're the real racists!" is just not going to get anyone anywhere. That's an argument that works with white people in the suburbs who don't want to feel like there's any racial element to the Republican rejection of greater welfare support, but it's not an argument that is ever going to work with black Americans.

The simple reality is that any kind of outreach to the black community is going to have to be a two way street. Republicans for a long time now have asked how they can sell their existing conservative policies to black voters. What they should be asking is how they can offer black voters something they actually want.

Of course it's a hostile audience. That's why most GOP'er avoids these audience. The last politician I can remember who did so, was Rubio during the Primary... even then, it was a luke-warm reception. It will take some work to overcome this.

But, how else is the GOP going to engage the minorities?

At the end of the day, the voters appreciate to be "wanted", so yes, the GOP need to offer something substantial.

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 NorseSig wrote:
I said most not all big difference.


Okay, we'll do this the hard way. There's about 120 democratic countries in the world, and a grand total of 5 that US voter ID (6 if you include the US).

6 out of 120 is not "most".

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 motyak wrote:
Posts like that whembly will annoy mods. "You go ahead and have the last word (but really I am lol)" aren't adding anything to the discussion. Either respond to the actual points or just don't respond at all

I object to that characterization moyak... that isn't what I was doing. I was giving Ouze a freebie and I was going to walk away.

You know how that topic will end, and Ouze knows exactly where I stand.

Do we really need to go there?

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Evidently we do. Take it to PMs with me so as not to add less to the thread.

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 whembly wrote:
Of course it's a hostile audience.


You can go to a hostile audience, it isn't easy but if you offer them something good you'll win some votes. And lay the groundwork for a less hostile audience in future.

Similarly you can go to a friendly audience and sell them an impossible fantasy. Every day convertibles are sold to balding, paunchy middle aged men, it's an impossible fantasy but the audience wants to believe. Similarly, many working class whites want to believe in the Republican fantasy, so the GOP makes the sale. And on the flip side, the Democrats are selling plenty of impossible fantasies to their own friendly audiences.

The problem comes when there's a crowd that doesn't already buy in to your fantasy. Then you've got to actually offer something real.

But, how else is the GOP going to engage the minorities?

At the end of the day, the voters appreciate to be "wanted", so yes, the GOP need to offer something substantial.


That's it exactly, offer them something substantial, some meaningful, something they've told you they actually want.

Stop fetishing benefits cuts. There's no real money to be saved there anymore, and the GOP have shown it is incapable of selling that message without adding a heaping dose of racial innuendo. Just move on. There's plenty of other places to save money.

Find a way to take the racial element out of border control. Reform the language and the thinking on this subject within the party so that 'illegal immigrant' no longer makes people think of a Mexican making a land run over the border, but someone who arrived by plane on a visa, and then overstayed that visa. This is good not just for the optics on the issue, but is also good for dealing with the actual issue, because Mexican illegal immigration is drying up, but Chinese and Indian people working without a visa or remaining for years after their visa expired is growing massively. The end position of this will have to be, both politically and logically, some form of amnesty, either a once-off or a continuing program, likely rolled in to a more practical, more open work visa program. And it will certainly mean recognising and condemning the absolute stupidity of the wall or anything like it.

Look at different ways to approach the religious stuff. Most voters of all ethnicities are religious, most are even christian, but the GOP has centred its religious elements entirely around southern, baptist christian ethics and values. Even where values are very similar with other church groups, the southern baptist tone can be very offputting. There was a time when Huckabee actually got this right, and it led to him being semi-viable on the national stage despite having absolutely nothing else going for him, the tone needs to be quiet and humble, values driven. The combative stuff, the culture war stuff, needs to be jettisoned. Anyone who says an opposing political candidate is in league with Lucifer needs to be excised from the party. Just told to leave and never come back.

This probably won't win much of the black vote any time soon. But it is likely to slow the worsening situation with hispanic voters, and I think it could probably lead to strong gains among asian voters very quickly. It will likely lead to losses among white voters as the overt racists and white, ultra-conservative religious crazies realise they're not longer being pandered to, but that is going to happen sooner or later. Better it be sooner.

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 whembly wrote:
 sebster wrote:
 whembly wrote:
IMO, the GOP needs to go to the democrat dominated inner cities and show them that much of what ails in their cities is because of democrat policies. But for some reason, very few politicians is willing to address it head on.


It shouldn't be too much of a mystery why very few Republicans are willing to try and sell an impossible fantasy to an already hostile audience.

"No, poverty here is because of the Democrats. Incentives, poverty trap, something something they're the real racists!" is just not going to get anyone anywhere. That's an argument that works with white people in the suburbs who don't want to feel like there's any racial element to the Republican rejection of greater welfare support, but it's not an argument that is ever going to work with black Americans.

The simple reality is that any kind of outreach to the black community is going to have to be a two way street. Republicans for a long time now have asked how they can sell their existing conservative policies to black voters. What they should be asking is how they can offer black voters something they actually want.

Of course it's a hostile audience. That's why most GOP'er avoids these audience. The last politician I can remember who did so, was Rubio during the Primary... even then, it was a luke-warm reception. It will take some work to overcome this.

But, how else is the GOP going to engage the minorities?

At the end of the day, the voters appreciate to be "wanted", so yes, the GOP need to offer something substantial.


But what can the GOP offer to minorities that won't be seen as some sort of betrayal or failure to the GOP's base? Would any candidate be willing to give up their guaranteed base of voters in exchange for a chance at getting some new voters into the fold? No, they wouldn't. Especially in this political climate where compromise is seen as the same thing as capitulation.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
But what can the GOP offer to minorities that won't be seen as some sort of betrayal or failure to the GOP's base? Would any candidate be willing to give up their guaranteed base of voters in exchange for a chance at getting some new voters into the fold?


Brave politicians, with values beyond their own political survival.

Once you've stopped laughing, these people do sometimes exist. Political parties do change direction, decide to remove solid and entrenched voter blocks in favour of more positive values that appeal to growing demographics. The Democrats got rid of the dixiecrats, sooner or later the Republican will have to do something similar.

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Broadening up your appeal to minorities also broadens up your appeal to the non-minority voters. Trump isn't becoming "soft on minorities" because he wants their vote, he is doing it to get the vote of white people who wouldn't want to vote for a racist bigot.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Broadening up your appeal to minorities also broadens up your appeal to the non-minority voters. Trump isn't becoming "soft on minorities" because he wants their vote, he is doing it to get the vote of white people who wouldn't want to vote for a racist bigot.


Yeah, this is very much the reason why past Republican candidates used dog whistles instead of Trump's megaphone on racial issues.

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 NorseSig wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
I am most amused that the party which for a decade has been pushing Voter ID laws intended to restrict minorities from voting, now wants to tap into the minority vote.

YOR DOIN IT RONG!!


I'm not D or R, but I don't have an issue with Voter ID. Just about every country that has a voting system has something like this in place. I personally think something like a passport should serve double duty. Honestly, in this day and age you should have some kind of identification with your picture on it that identifies that you are who you say you are anyway. If you want to stay at a hotel that isn't roach and flee infested you need something like a driver's license that has a photo. If you need ID to stay in a hotel why shouldn't you need one to vote?


Not in the UK.

Most countries require ID? IDK, would have to list all the democratic countries in the world and research them. But anyway, so what? Just because most of your friends are jumping off a cliff doesn't make it a good idea for you too.

The problem with Voter ID is that it requires the individual to get some kind of ID, which is a barrier to entry. For example, if you don't drive, you aren't going to get a driver's licence.

Many countries issue compulsory free national ID documentation. These make it a lot easier to ID people, and there is zero barrier to entry.

The USA and UK historically have resisted national ID card. (There are other countries too, that don't have it.) If you want to do Voter ID fairly, introduce a free federal government ID card and register everyone.

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The issue with voter ID is that, at least in the US, there is no evidence that the one specific kind of voting fraud that the ID requirements can prevent happens at any meaningful rate. So when you have people saying "we need new restrictions on voting to stop that one fraudulent vote in a whole district" you have to ask what their real motivation is. And, in the US, that motivation is to exclude groups who tend to vote for the "wrong" party.

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http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/302041/rick-perry-dancing-with-the-stars/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1472557353


Former Texas governor, failed Presidential candidate, and dapper mugshot haver Rick Perry will be a cast member on season 23 of ABC’s “Dancing With the Stars,” because life is absurd and meaningless.

The news was confirmed by ET, who also reported that Perry will be joined by rapper and home renovator Robert “Vanilla Ice” Van Winkle. I know the knock on “Dancing With the Stars” has always been that the network is pretty generous with the term “stars,” but just look at this lineup. You’ve got Perry, Vanilla Ice, Ryan Lochte (who may or may not be facing a jail sentence in Brazil), Laurie Hernandez, and Megatron himself, Calvin Johnson.

Who wouldn’t want to watch a bunch of athletes compete in a dance competition against a man who oversaw 278 executions in the state of Texas?




.... or is that in fact the next line up of Rep. nominations to run in 2020 ?

.. Perry has clearly observed that a successful reality TV show career is vital to succeed in the modern GOP.

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 reds8n wrote:
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/302041/rick-perry-dancing-with-the-stars/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1472557353


Former Texas governor, failed Presidential candidate, and dapper mugshot haver Rick Perry will be a cast member on season 23 of ABC’s “Dancing With the Stars,” because life is absurd and meaningless.

The news was confirmed by ET, who also reported that Perry will be joined by rapper and home renovator Robert “Vanilla Ice” Van Winkle. I know the knock on “Dancing With the Stars” has always been that the network is pretty generous with the term “stars,” but just look at this lineup. You’ve got Perry, Vanilla Ice, Ryan Lochte (who may or may not be facing a jail sentence in Brazil), Laurie Hernandez, and Megatron himself, Calvin Johnson.

Who wouldn’t want to watch a bunch of athletes compete in a dance competition against a man who oversaw 278 executions in the state of Texas?




.... or is that in fact the next line up of Rep. nominations to run in 2020 ?

.. Perry has clearly observed that a successful reality TV show career is vital to succeed in the modern GOP.


I find it a fitting end for Governor Blowdry. To use a phrase he was once caught on a police camera saying to a DPS trooper who insited on giving him a ticket despite his who he was..."adios mofo."

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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