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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the daily mail have noticed the custodes 'controversy' on the old interwebs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/games-workshop-engulfed-in-gender-row-with-warhammer-squadron-fans/ar-BB1lIanQ#image=1

(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)

Wow. Warhammer is so popular now that mainstream news has taken to reporting on all it's recons. Looking forward to seeing their opinion on fluff pieces from all supplements going forward (because that's obviously why they're reporting it and not to try and cause more culture war bull).

Calling the Daily Mail "news" is akin to calling Fox News a reputable resource.

 alextroy wrote:

 Londinium wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.

At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future

I suspect that they'll be released at the back end of 10e, just like the World Eaters were with 9e. Plus they need to sufficiently space out plastic Fulgrim from the resin monster they released last year.

I can imagine the design write up on this: Daemon Primarch Fulgrim looks like this resin model, yet does not look like a plastic version of this resin model. Have fun.

Yeah for all that Forge World miniature is beautiful, it was certainly a decision releasing him in HH at the time they did, when practically everyone knows EC were coming in 10th.

 Souleater wrote:
@ScarletRoss at the moment I would say that a good third of 40K players at our club have at least purchased a Custodes army.

They are £££ cheap, super quick to paint and previous had a strong codex. Being usable in HH is a minor benefit, too.

I'd echo this.

I suspect Marines still won out - but when it was felt they were having a wobble in 9th, Custodes seemed to be the go-to starting force. Relatively cheap, kind of easy to paint (to a tabletop standard anyway) and transport (which I think is something that can be overlooked).
Not sure how that's played out in 10th, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were still doing relatively well.

At one point this edition 40k tournament stats were showing over 10% of games played with Custodes, so there's certainly more than a few people keeping the army on hand for when it's needed.

I'd also suspect that Henry Cavill being a Custodes fan helped a lot with visibility of the faction.


Fulgrim coming out from FW feels a bit like a turf war move, since they are doing the Heresy Era and thus primarchs, and wanted to get at least one daemon primarch out before gw made a resin version. It also made sense that 3 of the 4 gods had their daemon primarchs out, while slaanesh and emperors children are likely still a year to two out.

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Huh, Lucius and Noise Marines, but what about Fabius Bile?

He's been doing his own thing for a while now, and isn't part of EC anymore. Most likely his datasheet will remain with CSM.

Is that not technically also true of Kharn and Ahriman though? And Typhus to a lesser extent?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Huh, Lucius and Noise Marines, but what about Fabius Bile?

He's been doing his own thing for a while now, and isn't part of EC anymore. Most likely his datasheet will remain with CSM.

Is that not technically also true of Kharn and Ahriman though? And Typhus to a lesser extent?

Those three still seem to work alongside legionaries, if not so much their old primarchs, while Bill isn't a warleader for emperors children or slaaneshi bands but a wandering mad scientist

Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.

1. the models still exist and are playable
2. if you don't play/care about 40k, why are you commenting in the 40k news thread?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
1. the models still exist and are playable
2. if you don't play/care about 40k, why are you commenting in the 40k news thread?

1: True.
2: I'm bored.

And Edit: If they ever fixed this mess, I'd quite like to play 40k again.

Noise Marines are all still using the old upgrade sprue, and old 4th edition sculpts. Be happy they weren't thrown into Legends!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.

CSM armies can still take Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Noise Marines.

Basically its a little like the Demons in AoS. GW fragmented what was one army into 4 and steadily updated each one with a lot more options and models. You can still take another demonic force as allies; but a full combined arms is mostly off the table.

The result is you do lose the old demon army style; but the bonus is that each force now has a much greater roster of models. Because now you aren't tripping over other demonic forces doing the same thing with model roles.

Honestly I view it as a positive overall change because its basically increased the model diversity without bloating a single army into confusion (which oftne then results in things being removed or simply being no good to take on the battlefield)

The way that the first year of 10th has focused so heavily on Imperium & xenos codexes makes me curious. We still know nothing on all but one of the chaos factions: CK, Daemons, and (now four) legion codexes.

I wonder if they're planning some kind of general chaos shakeup or restructure that is being kept under wraps until closer to the EC release. For example, AOS-style god-specific codexes that include daemons alongside legion units, or even just putting all the legions into a single book.

The options are not that great if we take khore.
What do we have: greater demon, demonprince,
demons with big swords and demon with big swords in chariot

The tricky thing is that the individual Chaos forces in 40K still use a good number of neutral core models that they share between them and for some reason GW is loath to give the same model different stats in different books (Though I think they've started breaking down on this with genestealers between tyranids and cults).


The AoS armies are 100% fully separate.

That said, honestly, I'd welcome if they did splinter all four chaos gods into their own force. GW could even do a 5th with demon engines if they wished

 skeleton wrote:
The options are not that great if we take khore.
What do we have: greater demon, demonprince,
demons with big swords and demon with big swords in chariot

Do not forget doggos

i think they could do a chaos undivided CSM book (plus belakor hanging around), and then individual god books. the inclusion of demons alongside existing cult armies would help patch the gaps that develop from them not having access to the full CSM codex, in theory at least

common stuff like land raiders or rhinos can be duplicated between armies, but each of the three already have their own terminator equivalents, for example, so they could work as four distinct standalone armies

 xttz wrote:
The way that the first year of 10th has focused so heavily on Imperium & xenos codexes makes me curious. We still know nothing on all but one of the chaos factions: CK, Daemons, and (now four) legion codexes.

I wonder if they're planning some kind of general chaos shakeup or restructure that is being kept under wraps until closer to the EC release. For example, AOS-style god-specific codexes that include daemons alongside legion units, or even just putting all the legions into a single book.

I've been thinking this since they showed off the roadmap, with EC likely being a 10th ed release it seemed the perfect time to start the process.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.

CSM armies can still take Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Noise Marines.

Sure. You just have to buy another codex for a single unit. Once the codex is released and the index is invalidated, of course.

Once Emperors Children come out, it would make sense for GW to finish the realignment of chaos that they seem to be doing since 5th ed 40k and AoS. Chaos used to be lumped into one boox- CSM before Daemons got split into their own Codex, and I think the same with Chaos warriors. Daemons got split out which made a mess of things, but then GW started shifting from dividing the faction csm/mortals/daemons to focus more on the gods with the daemonkin supplements and Thousand sons then Deathguard books, while AoS had the Disciples of Tzeentch, Maggotkin, and Bladebound.

Once EC comes out for 40k the split will be complete- with a base CSM codex for the unaligned/multialigned cam and renegades and cultists, then a book for each God aligned faction, probably merging in daemons and with detachments to focus on the legion part, daemon part, or mixed forces.

Curious to see if that's the route they take. That's what they did with AoS but they seem to want daemons to be a distinct and separate army in 40k.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.

CSM armies can still take Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Noise Marines.

Sure. You just have to buy another codex for a single unit. Once the codex is released and the index is invalidated, of course.

To be fair, you just need the datasheet for each unit (army and detachment rules don't matter and the points are online). Either they provide it in the download section or you use image search.

And I play 30k too. It's no stranger to spread rules all over several expensive books.

Not to beat the dead horse, but if there have to be Chickstodes, I seriously hope they are reallistic rather than romanticed Wonder Women in golden armor: big slabs of meat with minimal distinction from their brothers, so more pecs then boobs. If I want metal corsettes, I already have SoB.

Realistic bodies in my sci-fantasy, I know...

they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter

In 1988, at the beginning of the Rogue Trader Era, Games Workshop posted this ad in White Dwarf 99, offering two of these female minis for 5£.

The female space Marines were by Bob Naismith, Trish, Aly Morrison, and Mark Copplestone, these figures helped spearhead the Rogue Trader revolution, which eventually became the Warhammer 40k game we know today.

As you can see, Jayne and Gabs debuted here as “female warriors.” At this point, GW didn’t even know what a Space Marine was, so it’s hard to say if they are female Space Marines, but this is the closest you can get officially from GW!

woah! i tried looking for the female space marine models people had been talking about, but couldn't find anything, but this is really cool to see. janky proportions and all, that's as much a space marine as any of them were back then!

And that was the extent of it all…

1993 unreleased female space marune