Snrub wrote:
Why in the 9 hells did he have to be teleporting onto a tactical rock!? Could he not just have you know... materialised on the ground?

The concept for the model is cool, but I don't think it's overly well executed. While the general pose itself is nice enough, the balancing precariously on a rock is not though. The mid-relocation is cool, but the swirly bullgak does not convey very well what I think they're trying to and just serves to clutter the model up and make it unnecessarily busy. They could have just have easily had him walking out of a portal and it would have looked infinitely better while representing the same thing.

Uptonius wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Why in the 9 hells did he have to be teleporting onto a tactical rock!? Could he not just have you know... materialised on the ground?

The concept for the model is cool, but I don't think it's overly well executed. While the general pose itself is nice enough, the balancing precariously on a rock is not though. The mid-relocation is cool, but the swirly bullgak does not convey very well what I think they're trying to and just serves to clutter the model up and make it unnecessarily busy. They could have just have easily had him walking out of a portal and it would have looked infinitely better while representing the same thing.

Who's to say he isn't rising off the ground in that moment and the rocks are being pulled up with him?

 kodos wrote:
the rock is there because he is not teleporting in, but teleporting out
and teleport works better if you jump off a rock

just imagine him running away from the enemy and therefore he jumps backword off the rock and vanish

 Geifer wrote:
It looks like the tactical debris is just large enough to support his left foot while the right foot does nothing to actually keep him up there. I'm not a fan of that choice. If the designers absolutely have to have a tactical rock on the model, I'd rather if the rock had some substance to it so the Necron can comfortably and securely stand on it.

Aside from that, eh. Wouldn't be my first choice, but no complaints about getting something a bit different. Suitable models for non-fancy lords aren't in short supply.

 AduroT wrote:
Don’t care for the model as an Overlord. Too dynamic and stand out to be a unit leader. It’s a cool model though, and could make a good Orikan conversion.

I’m hoping the ability there is an Enhancement and not a new, additional Overlord profile. It’s a cool ability though, it’s actually the previous Nephrekh army rule, which I love.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
'We should make a Necron Lord who teleports'
'With a Veil of Darkness?'
'No. Also he can move through walls'
'With a Pashe Shifter?'
'Shut up and add something new!'

 skeleton wrote:
Why not an overlord with sword and res orb, we have rules for that but no model. only lord with orb.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Not sure why people are complaining about a rock, would the same people also complain if he didn't have any base decor?

 Snrub wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Not sure why people are complaining about a rock, would the same people also complain if he didn't have any base decor?

As the first person here to mention it (and therefore chief complainer), I would absolutely zero issues if this model (or literally any other for that matter) had no base decor. A rock, or in this case lump of concrete with a piece of rebar sticking out of it, adds nothing to the miniature. Look at all the models in the GW range posed on tactical scenery and tell me how many of them are genuinely enhanced by its presence.

Andykp wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Not sure why people are complaining about a rock, would the same people also complain if he didn't have any base decor?

As the first person here to mention it (and therefore chief complainer), I would absolutely zero issues if this model (or literally any other for that matter) had no base decor. A rock, or in this case lump of concrete with a piece of rebar sticking out of it, adds nothing to the miniature. Look at all the models in the GW range posed on tactical scenery and tell me how many of them are genuinely enhanced by its presence.

That’s very much a subjective opinion, some of the stuff GW has done with tactical rocks has been great, I think there are loads of good examples and few bad ones. This one I see as a way to show him appearing in mid air, it was used to add hight generally to the pose. Not the best but overall the design is very clever and again by gw, the use of negative space is very clever.

Saying you don't like the rock is just like saying you don’t like the shape of the head or how they’ve painted it. It’s not a fault with the model, it’s just not to your taste.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe if the tactical rocks were optional... or if they weren't on (or under, really!) every damned character they put out these days.

Andykp wrote:
That’s very much a subjective opinion,

 Valkyrie wrote:
Looks good, might be a bugger to paint. Not sure why people are complaining about a rock, would the same people also complain if he didn't have any base decor?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I dunno. I just think he's going to be an absolute bitch to put goether.

And AoS-Pattern "Swirly Bull gak" comes to 40k in a very dramatic fashion.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why would phasing in/out in mid air ever be a thing anyway?

 Nicorex wrote:
He would have looked much better in a walking pose and without his arms crossed over his chest, I think.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Nicorex wrote:
He would have looked much better in a walking pose and without his arms crossed over his chest, I think.

Yeah, he currently looks like he's digistructing after being killed in Borderlands.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would assume mid-air teleportation would be the way togo, that way you don't accidentally contaminate the process with foreign matter from stuff on the ground at your point of departure or your destination - thats how you end up with The Fly after all.

It's always been implied that Necron teleportation doesn't have the same issues with foreign matter that standard warp-based teleportation has, as Necrons can teleport under the ground.

 Fayric wrote:
If the Boss were to materialize in mid air he would make a very unworthy entrance, and might even be forced to make a stumble step as he tries to find ground. I percive Necron Lords as very uptight and humourless leaders, so it would be devastating for morale to see their lord caugth in such a situation. Thus, they would most likely opt for a more suiting tactical rock for everyone to see the wonderous and theatrical appearance of the great leader.

Danny76 wrote:
There was that one Heresy novel where the Marines teleported onto a ship and some came through like half in the ground and stuff because of whatever error etc.
Surely something like this would stop that if you teleport in slightly above ground.

I feel like in a lot of films etc where people teleport in they sort of appear then drop as it looks cooler.

Danny76 wrote:
There was that one Heresy novel where the Marines teleported onto a ship and some came through like half in the ground and stuff because of whatever error etc.
Surely something like this would stop that if you teleport in slightly above ground.

 Matrindur wrote:
makes me think the old one will stay available? So two Admech combat patrols?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bets on the Redacted one?

I'm guessing/hoping Emperor's Children.

 Souleater wrote:
Yeah. If it isn’t EC I’d go with GK and this being a bit of cheeky roleplay by the comms team.

It could be GW giving themselves a little leeway on releases. Unlikely, one would hope but maybe wise considering their apparent supply issues.

pgmason wrote:
Codex Redacted - Covering the 2nd and 11th legions!

tneva82 wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Yeah. If it isn’t EC I’d go with GK and this being a bit of cheeky roleplay by the comms team.

It could be GW giving themselves a little leeway on releases. Unlikely, one would hope but maybe wise considering their apparent supply issues.

What makes you think it's different to any other far away redacted cover art? It's what gw use in roadmaps on too far away books.

Think people are overreading.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Codex Redacted will cover a new Xenos faction the Redacted, an alien race so vile and destructive they were erased from Imperial Records.

tneva82 wrote:
Think people are overreading.

 Insularum wrote:
The limited edition Necron codex has something new on the cover right? Otherwise it's shaping up as 2 (nice) resculpts, 2 models everyone already has from 9th, overlord with a new hat and the CP box full of models everyone already has from 9th.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
The limited edition Necron codex has something new on the cover right? Otherwise it's shaping up as 2 (nice) resculpts, 2 models everyone already has from 9th, overlord with a new hat and the CP box full of models everyone already has from 9th.

And DICE!!! Everyone LOVES dice, right?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Codex Redacted will cover a new Xenos faction the Redacted, an alien race so vile and destructive they were erased from Imperial Records.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Pan Fo.

 AduroT wrote:
Really disappointed we’re getting a new Orikan but no Trazyn. That’s like Statler without Waldorf.

 Overread wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
The limited edition Necron codex has something new on the cover right? Otherwise it's shaping up as 2 (nice) resculpts, 2 models everyone already has from 9th, overlord with a new hat and the CP box full of models everyone already has from 9th.

And DICE!!! Everyone LOVES dice, right?

I'd buy more GW dice if they were smaller!! Big dice are fine but in a game that can easily have you rolling 20-30 dice I want to have dice I can hold in my hand

Tyel wrote:
Seems kind of rubbish?

I guess there's some possibility of castling up on an objective to spread the buff. But otherwise what? You are giving reroll 1s to wound to 1-2 units you have on a given objective - or when shooting 1-2 enemy units on a given objective.

From the company that thinks Eldar having a reroll to hit and wound on every unit is reasonable?

Tyel wrote:
Seems kind of rubbish?

I guess there's some possibility of castling up on an objective to spread the buff. But otherwise what? You are giving reroll 1s to wound to 1-2 units you have on a given objective - or when shooting 1-2 enemy units on a given objective.

From the company that thinks Eldar having a reroll to hit and wound on every unit is reasonable?

 RaptorusRex wrote:

Tyel wrote:
Seems kind of rubbish?

I guess there's some possibility of castling up on an objective to spread the buff. But otherwise what? You are giving reroll 1s to wound to 1-2 units you have on a given objective - or when shooting 1-2 enemy units on a given objective.

From the company that thinks Eldar having a reroll to hit and wound on every unit is reasonable?

The Lieutenant with Combi-Weapon has something similar, and he's a top pick for SM characters rn.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Think people are overreading.

God forbid people have a little fun speculating.

Dudeface wrote:

It feels about right in terms of power imo. Usually as a rule of thumb you've got your big guns on your backfield obj or your key threats on an objective you need to take, so it makes sense you'll get good value from it. Even then this is also the same company that maybe now regrets giving eldar a free reroll per unit, which is obviously apples to oranges compared to reroll all 1's with a condition.

Tyel wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

It feels about right in terms of power imo. Usually as a rule of thumb you've got your big guns on your backfield obj or your key threats on an objective you need to take, so it makes sense you'll get good value from it. Even then this is also the same company that maybe now regrets giving eldar a free reroll per unit, which is obviously apples to oranges compared to reroll all 1's with a condition.

I just don't see how reroll 1s either on a couple of units - or against a couple of units (and potentially just one) is a good trade off versus so many "faction wide" abilities of a kind we've seen in SM and Tyranid Codexes, never mind the old indexes.

Giving Robots Doctrina Imperatives also feels decidedly weak. (Its unclear why every Ad Mech unit can't have this relatively modest ability, regardless of the fluff.)

I'm left wondering if Ad Mech are "tuned" to have poor detachment abilities.
Which isn't exactly promising for Dark Eldar...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get prices today for this stuff?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get prices today for this stuff?

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get prices today for this stuff?

We always get the prices on monday. GW puts them out. It's public info. No need for rumours, leaks etc. GW posts it out themselves for anybody to check who cares

 Nevelon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get prices today for this stuff?

We always get the prices on monday. GW puts them out. It's public info. No need for rumours, leaks etc. GW posts it out themselves for anybody to check who cares

Link?

That’s something I’d like to bookmark instead of waiting for others to get around to reposting.

Edit: Preferably the US $ prices if they are in different spots. Or the search terms people use to locate the info.

 Nevelon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get prices today for this stuff?

We always get the prices on monday. GW puts them out. It's public info. No need for rumours, leaks etc. GW posts it out themselves for anybody to check who cares

Link?

That’s something I’d like to bookmark instead of waiting for others to get around to reposting.

Edit: Preferably the US $ prices if they are in different spots. Or the search terms people use to locate the info.

 DaveC wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get prices today for this stuff?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
New git https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/kbp3w1r7xLNa8PRL.pdf

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Can't see him on the store though?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Necrons and Adeptus Mechanicus pre-orders are delayed in OZ/NZ.

It was a surprise delay, as WarCom didn't call it out in advance like they normally do.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Are there any Datasheet cards for the new 10th ed Adeptus Mechanicus Codex?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Are there any Datasheet cards for the new 10th ed Adeptus Mechanicus Codex?

 vipoid wrote:
Am I the only one who collapsed in a fit of laughter on seeing this beauty?

 vipoid wrote:
Am I the only one who collapsed in a fit of laughter on seeing this beauty?

Danny76 wrote:
Going back to the redacted Codex.
I believe the last redacted showed Chaos or xenos symbol behind the words right? And this one is the Imperial Eagle, so it’s probably a loyalist one.
That’s my guess.

Personally, EC won’t be right in the middle of an Edition.
The others who got their Primarchs were all bookending editions weren’t they? At least in the most recent ones (I don’t remember Magnus and the Thousand Sons book offhand, but all the others certainly seemed to be).

Danny76 wrote:
Going back to the redacted Codex.
I believe the last redacted showed Chaos or xenos symbol behind the words right? And this one is the Imperial Eagle, so it’s probably a loyalist one.
That’s my guess.

Personally, EC won’t be right in the middle of an Edition.
The others who got their Primarchs were all bookending editions weren’t they? At least in the most recent ones (I don’t remember Magnus and the Thousand Sons book offhand, but all the others certainly seemed to be).

 Malika2 wrote:
Will there also be a plastic Thunderhawk comin’?

Dudeface wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Will there also be a plastic Thunderhawk comin’?

Well, no rumour of that, but Valrak has been very much right repeatedly the last year. If his sources hint there's 2 coming it's not something to immediately discredit.

Danny76 wrote:
Going back to the redacted Codex.
I believe the last redacted showed Chaos or xenos symbol behind the words right? And this one is the Imperial Eagle, so it’s probably a loyalist one.
That’s my guess.

Personally, EC won’t be right in the middle of an Edition.
The others who got their Primarchs were all bookending editions weren’t they? At least in the most recent ones (I don’t remember Magnus and the Thousand Sons book offhand, but all the others certainly seemed to be).

Danny76 wrote:
Going back to the redacted Codex.
I believe the last redacted showed Chaos or xenos symbol behind the words right? And this one is the Imperial Eagle, so it’s probably a loyalist one.
...

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Going back to the redacted Codex.
I believe the last redacted showed Chaos or xenos symbol behind the words right? And this one is the Imperial Eagle, so it’s probably a loyalist one.
...

Finally ! Ratling codex confirmed

 Geifer wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Going back to the redacted Codex.
I believe the last redacted showed Chaos or xenos symbol behind the words right? And this one is the Imperial Eagle, so it’s probably a loyalist one.
...

Finally ! Ratling codex confirmed

The mystery codex being Imperial Guard doesn't sound like a bad idea. Next summer is going to focus on AoS 4th ed. Sisters are easily released with just a single character like a priest that doesn't exist in plastic yet (or is only on a multi-character boardgame sprue for now). Genestealers already have a ton of characters, but that's not going to stop GW from adding more. Then for Imperial Guard as the codex with an actual model release, we get plastic Ratlings and a crate full of edible sandbags just so GW can retire the resin models and perhaps expand the Ratling part of the army a little (akin to Ogryns who jumped from a single squad to two squads and a bodyguard/Nork). Add a solo release of an Guard Kill Team we might get in the first half of the year and that's 40k sorted out without going overboard on kits during the new edition release for AoS.

 Geifer wrote:
I thought the Kill Team rumors suggested Elysians or Stormtroopers/Scions?

 Matrindur wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Will there also be a plastic Thunderhawk comin’?

Well, no rumour of that, but Valrak has been very much right repeatedly the last year. If his sources hint there's 2 coming it's not something to immediately discredit.

Also its really not that surprising anymore. 9th had both Angron and the Lion and 7th had both Magnus and Guilliman. If you don't go by edition but actual time its an even closer grouping with Magnus, Guilliman and Mortarion all being released within a year (November 2016 to September 2017) and Angron and the Lion within 5 months in 2023. The long time between those two groups is more surprising

 Matrindur wrote:
Dark Angels, in addition to the old rumours about Deathwing stuff they will get a new combat patrol: five hellblasters, ten intercessors, three bladeguard and gravis captain.

 Matrindur wrote:

Tau will get a big release for Kroot, also a new melee etherial? Either new combat patrol or new launch box with 20 new kroot, 2 new characters, cavalry and a big gun all dedicated to kroot

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Dark Angels, in addition to the old rumours about Deathwing stuff they will get a new combat patrol: five hellblasters, ten intercessors, three bladeguard and gravis captain.

A character who can't lead any of the units? Interesting choice...

chaos0xomega wrote:
Curious what the HH battlebox will be, battlebox usually means two opposed armies, as opposed to battleforce which means one army - unless they consider like the Age of Darkness box to be a battlebox because its technically half Imperial Fists half Sons of Horus?

chaos0xomega wrote:


And f. yeah Kroot! Honestly was hoping for a Kroot mercs book but I'll take an expansion of them as a subfaction within the Tau just as well.

 Overread wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


And f. yeah Kroot! Honestly was hoping for a Kroot mercs book but I'll take an expansion of them as a subfaction within the Tau just as well.

I wonder if GW just needs to get new Kroot out as a subfaction of the main book to generate enough attention and sales to get the numbers up enough to justify a whole second book of their own.

I've long thought that Tau should splinter like that, just like Tyranids and Genestealer Cults did; however it might be that Kroot models are just so old of date and overshadowed that they are way under selling and won't justify that amount of investment on their own. Esp since things like Vespid are about the only other non tau models in their line right now.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Overread wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


And f. yeah Kroot! Honestly was hoping for a Kroot mercs book but I'll take an expansion of them as a subfaction within the Tau just as well.

I wonder if GW just needs to get new Kroot out as a subfaction of the main book to generate enough attention and sales to get the numbers up enough to justify a whole second book of their own.

I've long thought that Tau should splinter like that, just like Tyranids and Genestealer Cults did; however it might be that Kroot models are just so old of date and overshadowed that they are way under selling and won't justify that amount of investment on their own. Esp since things like Vespid are about the only other non tau models in their line right now.

If they tap into something like Yautja Kroot they will sell like hotcakes on a cold winter day!

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Or just a Ratling kill team ? I'd be surprised Imperial Guard would get the mystery treatment.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Looks like some new terrain @ timestamp 2.43 (stacked, right-hand side of image) and @ 3.50 (single, right-hand side again).

A new container, with two different hatch/door designs ?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

...Two loyalists at once? Unlikely, but then I guess the other side did just get Lion’O…

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Kroot Mercs expansion for Tau would be great. Then just need Vespids and Sniper drone squad in resin, and hopefully a remastered tank kit like how the Russ and Chimaera got updated.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Space wolves will likely take until the end of the edition but should be getting big things.
Blood Angels with new Sanguinary Priest and Sanguinary Guard but no idea when they will release
Dark Angels, in addition to the old rumours about Deathwing stuff they will get a new combat patrol: five hellblasters, ten intercessors, three bladeguard and gravis captain. There will also be a new upgrade sprue
Horus Heresy should get a new battlebox but Valrak still wants so get some more information bevor telling more.
Kill Team scouts vs SS will be next preorder on the 9th
Tau will get a big release for Kroot, also a new melee etherial? Either new combat patrol or new launch box with 20 new kroot, 2 new characters, cavalry and a big gun all dedicated to kroot

 cuda1179 wrote:
Gotta say I am more than a little grumpy that Obyron got cut from the Necron codex. I loved him a couple codex's ago, back when his Ghostwalk mantle was a glorified second Veil of Darkness and you could have two units bouncing around.

Having him be gone now is just frustrating. Making him count as either a generic Lychguard or an overlord is stretching it one way or another.

The codex does seem better overall, but it kinda bums me out.

drbored wrote:
we're feeling the result of a situation that GW created for themselves: making so many characters in finecast that need to be updated or cut.

Even with some updated and some cut, we're still waiting on Trazyn and a few other things to get updated out of Necron to make the faction 'complete' at least in the plastic model sense, and that's the case with many other codexes.

Makes me wonder what may get cut or what may get updated from future codexes. Drukhari might get updated Grotesques but end up sacrificing the Beastmaster and all his beasts. Sisters of Battle may get updated Priests, but say goodbye to Death Cult Assassins. Who knows.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I know it hits a dead horse a bit but Primaris Lieutenants and Captains and Space Marine Heroes show that GW could replace any Failcast character in any other army within half a year if they wanted to. (I also know there are even some SM chars in failcast left which is even more puzzling).

chaos0xomega wrote:
Curious what the HH battlebox will be, battlebox usually means two opposed armies, as opposed to battleforce which means one army - unless they consider like the Age of Darkness box to be a battlebox because its technically half Imperial Fists half Sons of Horus?

tneva82 wrote:
You assume Oberon etc would sell as much as marine models

 vipoid wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
You assume Oberon etc would sell as much as marine models

Why even have other armies at all?

Just scrap all of them and make the game Marines vs. Marines, as they are apparently the only models that anyone ever buys.

 vipoid wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
You assume Oberon etc would sell as much as marine models

Why even have other armies at all?

Just scrap all of them and make the game Marines vs. Marines, as they are apparently the only models that anyone ever buys.

tneva82 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Curious what the HH battlebox will be, battlebox usually means two opposed armies, as opposed to battleforce which means one army - unless they consider like the Age of Darkness box to be a battlebox because its technically half Imperial Fists half Sons of Horus?

They are doing quite a lot of characters with mkiv armour now so wouldn't be surprise if it's just box to introduce new version of mkiv armour much like mkiii got now.


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

drbored wrote:
we're feeling the result of a situation that GW created for themselves: making so many characters in finecast that need to be updated or cut.

Even with some updated and some cut, we're still waiting on Trazyn and a few other things to get updated out of Necron to make the faction 'complete' at least in the plastic model sense, and that's the case with many other codexes.

Makes me wonder what may get cut or what may get updated from future codexes. Drukhari might get updated Grotesques but end up sacrificing the Beastmaster and all his beasts. Sisters of Battle may get updated Priests, but say goodbye to Death Cult Assassins. Who knows.

I know it hits a dead horse a bit but Primaris Lieutenants and Captains and Space Marine Heroes show that GW could replace any Failcast character in any other army within half a year if they wanted to. (I also know there are even some SM chars in failcast left which is even more puzzling).

You assume Oberon etc would sell as much as marine models

 GaroRobe wrote:
Trazyn not being in the Codex is strange, and I guess that lessens the chance of him dropping during the Black Library preview.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

drbored wrote:
we're feeling the result of a situation that GW created for themselves: making so many characters in finecast that need to be updated or cut.

Even with some updated and some cut, we're still waiting on Trazyn and a few other things to get updated out of Necron to make the faction 'complete' at least in the plastic model sense, and that's the case with many other codexes.

Makes me wonder what may get cut or what may get updated from future codexes. Drukhari might get updated Grotesques but end up sacrificing the Beastmaster and all his beasts. Sisters of Battle may get updated Priests, but say goodbye to Death Cult Assassins. Who knows.

I know it hits a dead horse a bit but Primaris Lieutenants and Captains and Space Marine Heroes show that GW could replace any Failcast character in any other army within half a year if they wanted to. (I also know there are even some SM chars in failcast left which is even more puzzling).

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Trazyn not being in the Codex is strange, and I guess that lessens the chance of him dropping during the Black Library preview.

That wasn't what HMBC said. He's in the codex, but still has his old model. Which implies a new one is likely in the pipeline.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The fact that Trazyn didn't get a new mini and hasn't been removed from the new Codex implies to me that he has one, but he's delayed for some event or something.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The fact that Trazyn didn't get a new mini and hasn't been removed from the new Codex implies to me that he has one, but he's delayed for some event or something.

New Trayzin model could show up in say a "Acquisition Brigade" box as a tie in to the new Crusade setting

tneva82 wrote:
Or not.

tneva82 wrote:
Codexes have limited # of kits they can have

 Snrub wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Codexes have limited # of kits they can have

Good god you talk a lot of gak.

tneva82 wrote:

That's how GW works. They don't release everything as soon as it's done.

tneva82 wrote:
Lol. Maybe you should follow how GW plans these things more

Here's example of how GW has done these. Eldar jetbikes. They were done and ready to go long time before they did. But then they also made new wraithguard & wraithknights. GW COULD have released them BOTH. But instead they opted to keep jetbikes for future release and released just the wraith stuff.
'
They only wanted couple SKU's for eldar in that release so ALREADY DESIGNED JETBIKES HAD TO WAIT.

That's how GW works. They don't release everything as soon as it's done. We can only guess how much they have waiting for suitable release slot. Wouldn't surprise me if they had new grave guard waiting for AOS 4th edition soulblight ready for example. Maybe 6th mega gargant. Something for marines pretty much given.

You really should follow how GW operates and not just assume GW chucks out products as soon as it's done.

 Olthannon wrote:
Anyone else seeing the admech and necron preorders back in stock on the GW website?

 Olthannon wrote:
Anyone else seeing the admech and necron preorders back in stock on the GW website?

 Geifer wrote:
Isn't getting rid of Finecast much less of a priority for GW by now? I thought the Finecast we know and love is long gone and GW switched to letting Forge World do their resin casting for the main games a few years ago? As long as they keep staff and machines around for all the Forge World stuff, they're casting resin models anyway and there's less pressure to get rid of an unwanted casting medium.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumour video:
Dark Angel boxset:
Will be out in February with preorder likely in late January
Contents are Belial, 10 Terminators, 5 Deathwing Knights and the Codex

No info if there is a upgrade sprue inside but the contents are slightly cheaper than normal so I would say its likely

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumour video:
Dark Angel boxset:
Will be out in February with preorder likely in late January
Contents are Belial, 10 Terminators, 5 Deathwing Knights and the Codex

No info if there is a upgrade sprue inside but the contents are slightly cheaper than other army sets so I would say its likely

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

It's not like the DA don't have a mediocre primaris upgrade sprue.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Power Fists/Power Weapons are on the Assault Intercessor sprue.

 xttz wrote:
And here too

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ICTVf4gHJnMRc0kV.pdf

 gigasnail wrote:

 xttz wrote:
And here too

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ICTVf4gHJnMRc0kV.pdf

where did you find this on the site? i'm trying to point someone to it and it's not in the downloads section (unless i'm blind which isn't impossible or even unlikely).

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Is he a Mek or what? Not a lot of orks into hammers…

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Is he a Mek or what? Not a lot of orks into hammers…

He is not a Mek but he is part of Waaagh led by the Big Mek.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Also for some reason neither Ezekiel nor Asmodai can join regular Intercessors,

 lord_blackfang wrote:
That's a pretty cool Ork, are Black Library minis available at indy retailers?

tneva82 wrote:
Here's example of how GW has done these. Eldar jetbikes. They were done and ready to go long time before they did. But then they also made new wraithguard & wraithknights. GW COULD have released them BOTH. But instead they opted to keep jetbikes for future release and released just the wraith stuff.

They only wanted couple SKU's for eldar in that release so ALREADY DESIGNED JETBIKES HAD TO WAIT.

That's how GW works. They don't release everything as soon as it's done. We can only guess how much they have waiting for suitable release slot. Wouldn't surprise me if they had new grave guard waiting for AOS 4th edition soulblight ready for example. Maybe 6th mega gargant. Something for marines pretty much given.

You really should follow how GW operates and not just assume GW chucks out products as soon as it's done.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So he's an Ork that can't lift his own gun and needs help from a squiq? That won't get him beat up by the other Orks or anything...

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So here goes the hope for the new, updated, multipart Carnifex kit. Screamer is the same push fit from the Leviathan, sharing sprue with Neurotyrant.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/10/sunday-preview-kill-team-salvation-stalks-into-view/

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So here goes the hope for the new, updated, multipart Carnifex kit. Screamer is the same push fit from the Leviathan, sharing sprue with Neurotyrant.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/10/sunday-preview-kill-team-salvation-stalks-into-view/

I wouldn't hope too hard, ask csm players how the wait for a standalone venomcrawler is going.

tneva82 wrote:
We knew on day leviathan sprues was shown that sprue comes to sale.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You think a new Carnifex kit would be in any way as flexible and option-rich as the current one?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

You think a new Carnifex kit would be in any way as flexible and option-rich as the current one?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So here goes the hope for the new, updated, multipart Carnifex kit. Screamer is the same push fit from the Leviathan, sharing sprue with Neurotyrant.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/10/sunday-preview-kill-team-salvation-stalks-into-view/

I wouldn't hope too hard, ask csm players how the wait for a standalone venomcrawler is going.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So he's an Ork that can't lift his own gun and needs help from a squiq? That won't get him beat up by the other Orks or anything...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So here goes the hope for the new, updated, multipart Carnifex kit. Screamer is the same push fit from the Leviathan, sharing sprue with Neurotyrant.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/10/sunday-preview-kill-team-salvation-stalks-into-view/

I wouldn't hope too hard, ask csm players how the wait for a standalone venomcrawler is going.

How’s the wait for a standalone venomcrawler going?

*runs away giggling*

 Overread wrote:

The worst option loss in the Tyranid range right now are the Warriors which have lost all their close combat weapon variety. I still think this is cause there's a new warrior kit in the works that has swapped the close combat weapons for wing options which will bring the warriors into line with the new winged prime. So we'd have ranged options or winged close combat; with fewer close combat weapon options so that GW didn't have to increase the sprue count to add the wings

That's my going theory supported by the lack of close combat weapon variety in the codex and the choice to give the leader-prime model wings, which right now are near useless if its leading a unit because its the only model in the unit with wings attached.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Overread wrote:

The worst option loss in the Tyranid range right now are the Warriors which have lost all their close combat weapon variety. I still think this is cause there's a new warrior kit in the works that has swapped the close combat weapons for wing options which will bring the warriors into line with the new winged prime. So we'd have ranged options or winged close combat; with fewer close combat weapon options so that GW didn't have to increase the sprue count to add the wings

That's my going theory supported by the lack of close combat weapon variety in the codex and the choice to give the leader-prime model wings, which right now are near useless if its leading a unit because its the only model in the unit with wings attached.

I think you are right, especially now when Prime is released separately. Warriors will probably have talons as their only cc, Shrikes being pure cc variant like their Prime.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Or photos of a codex page?

 Matrindur wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Or photos of a codex page?

Thats likely it.

Which does mean the Companions aren't necessarily a 3-man squad as the codex often doesn't show every model of a box in their showcase section. 

Dudeface wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Or photos of a codex page?

Thats likely it.

Which does mean the Companions aren't necessarily a 3-man squad as the codex often doesn't show every model of a box in their showcase section. 

They look like a bladeguard equivalent so I fully expect 3 man units tbh in line with other primaris elite dudes.

 Matrindur wrote:
Love that upgrade sprue and hope we'll get those for every chapter (or at least for BA/SW)

 Shadow Walker wrote:
At least 3 Rumour Engines are solved?

 Scottywan82 wrote:
So, are they showing us the rest of them too? Or just the ones people manage to leak?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Observation of the Box Art.

Two Chaos Terminators…with Power/Thunder Hammers.

Sign of a forthcoming kit refresh?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Kind of an underwhelming upgrade sprue. I feel like the black Templar one had much more character, as did the old veteran upgrade version

 GaroRobe wrote:
Looks like a few heads are intended to be used for bladeguard veterans? So the inner circle won’t be replacing them

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Observation of the Box Art.

Two Chaos Terminators…with Power/Thunder Hammers.

Sign of a forthcoming kit refresh?

 Matrindur wrote:
Also if we estimate the price for Belial/Deathwing Knights/Upgrade sprue based on existing kits and add the codex and datacard prices, the army set would have about 312€ inside which at the last army set prices of 170€ would be a 46% discount. The last few army sets had about 43% discount so seems believable.
The assumed prices are: 35€ for Belial as he should be a bit more expensive than the pushfit Terminator Librarian, 55€ for the Deathwing Knights (same as the Terminators), 27€ for the upgrade sprue (same as the Cadian and BT ones) and the same prices for the Codex and Datacards as the current stuff so 46€ and 12€

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Right. Now my mind has thrown it up I can’t unsee it. So it’s only fair under Internet Law I inflict this on as many as possible.

The Watcher In The Dark from the upgrade sprue bears a bizarre resemblance to a Game Show “Dolly Bird” showing off the prizes.

There. Enjoy.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Some nice miniatures revealed today, but I really don't get why they used some of the christmas rumour engines to tease a miniature that would be shown only days later. One of them was just yesterday, even.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The images were leaked sometime last night or this morning, so it seems GW just said “well sod you then” and released the main article.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

It just seems odd that at least 5 of the rumour engine picture from this christmas teaser stuff turned out to be something that would be shown within just a few weeks anyway. And from just 2 kits, even.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

It's an updated iconic character, a completely new unit, a quite large upgrade set, an army box, and the codex reveal. Alongside a video for it.

I wonder just what you consider a big reveal if somehow that isn't much to you.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

It's an updated iconic character, a completely new unit, a quite large upgrade set, an army box, and the codex reveal. Alongside a video for it.

I wonder just what you consider a big reveal if somehow that isn't much to you.

I would have considered an Old World army box as a "huge reveal"...even if they had already been leaked.
I would have considered an announcement of Solar Auxilia a "huge reveal".
I would have considered a reveal of something Kroot as "huge".
I would have considered a reveal of either of the Order/Death Warbands for Warcry to be "huge".
There's a ton of things I would have considered "huge".


I do not consider an army set, featuring a single new unit, a resculpted character and an upgrade set mentioned before on stream, and a unit we already had seen(the Deathwing Knights) along with an army book with recycled artwork that is known to be the next codex coming to be "huge".

As a reminder, this is what the Sunday Preview said:

We’re off to hang our stockings and finish all of our last-minute preparations, but you won’t be without articles to read on Warhammer Community in the gap between Christmas and New Year. Tune in tomorrow for a huge reveal, followed by something special on Boxing Day. Throughout the week, there will be teases for what’s coming in 2024, as well as the result of this year’s Miniature of the Year vote.

YMMV, but "army set for a space marine faction that's the next codex to come" isn't "huge reveal" material to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

It's an updated iconic character, a completely new unit, a quite large upgrade set, an army box, and the codex reveal. Alongside a video for it.

I wonder just what you consider a big reveal if somehow that isn't much to you.

I would have considered an Old World army box as a "huge reveal"...even if they had already been leaked.
I would have considered an announcement of Solar Auxilia a "huge reveal".
I would have considered a reveal of something Kroot as "huge".
I would have considered a reveal of either of the Order/Death Warbands for Warcry to be "huge".
There's a ton of things I would have considered "huge".


I do not consider an army set, featuring a single new unit, a resculpted character and an upgrade set mentioned before on stream, and a unit we already had seen(the Deathwing Knights) along with an army book with recycled artwork that is known to be the next codex coming to be "huge".

As a reminder, this is what the Sunday Preview said:

We’re off to hang our stockings and finish all of our last-minute preparations, but you won’t be without articles to read on Warhammer Community in the gap between Christmas and New Year. Tune in tomorrow for a huge reveal, followed by something special on Boxing Day. Throughout the week, there will be teases for what’s coming in 2024, as well as the result of this year’s Miniature of the Year vote.

YMMV, but "army set for a space marine faction that's the next codex to come" isn't "huge reveal" material to me.

 Matrindur wrote:

I also don't really consider it "huge" (maybe they switched this with the Old World boxsets since DA leaked that morning? But then again the TK box also leaked a while ago)
But if you consider a singe Warcry warband "huge" then you can't say a resculped character, a completely new unit, a great upgrade sprue and an army set (with not only a new unit but also that resculpted character and two of the new upgrade sprues) isn't "huge". Just because they aren't interesting to you doesn't mean three new kits and an army set aren't objectively more than a single warcry warband.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Considering that we're months behind on Warcry? Yeah. It's "huge" to get the reveal of the Death and Order warbands. They were slated for winter 2023.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

I also don't really consider it "huge" (maybe they switched this with the Old World boxsets since DA leaked that morning? But then again the TK box also leaked a while ago)
But if you consider a singe Warcry warband "huge" then you can't say a resculped character, a completely new unit, a great upgrade sprue and an army set (with not only a new unit but also that resculpted character and two of the new upgrade sprues) isn't "huge". Just because they aren't interesting to you doesn't mean three new kits and an army set aren't objectively more than a single warcry warband.

Considering that we're months behind on Warcry? Yeah. It's "huge" to get the reveal of the Death and Order warbands. They were slated for winter 2023.

You lot can keep pretending that it's something super amazing, but the only thing genuinely a surprise is the Companions. The upgrade sprue, army set, and Belial all were mentioned by the new intern on the championship stream. We've had a roadmap with DA coming at the start of 2024 since before that.

As I said personally I would have expected the TOW boxsets when they talked about huge (since that is realistically the only other reveal we should be expecting) but I wouldn't say its outride wrong for them to call this huge.
Exaggerated? yes but that should be expected at this point. Wrong? not really.

It's marines. They were getting an army set, especially since they didn't do Terminators in the Christmas box.

Showing an Ork would have been "huge". Showing something from the Custodes, Tau, or CSM would have been "huge".

This just felt like a continuation of what the dumb championship stream was.

 stonehorse wrote:
Maybe itnis my colourblind eyes, but arw thise Red robes on the Companions?

Shouldn't they be Dark Green or Cream?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The only thing worse than marketing hyperbole is the even-more-hyperbolic discussions on here about it afterwards.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Knarloc riders? Big Mek/Mek Lord? 40k era Valdor?

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Knarloc riders? Big Mek/Mek Lord? 40k era Valdor?

Without his comic Apollonian spear though?

 Overread wrote:
Are Kroot about the last thing in current 40K that hasn't seen any update in a big way? Even Squats are back so yeah time for the Year of the Kroot!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


You seem to be using "huge" when you mean "surprise" then getting mad that the reveal didn't match your expectations.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Orkamedies? Nazdreg?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Knarloc or Great Knarloc? Those were different things.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Are Kroot about the last thing in current 40K that hasn't seen any update in a big way? Even Squats are back so yeah time for the Year of the Kroot!

Depends what you mean by "update in a big way". Yes, Kroot are still using the same plastic kit when they had when they were released in 3rd Ed.

Then again, Eldar are still using the only Warp Spider minis that have ever been released, and have vehicle kits older than most of the people who post here.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Orkamedies? Nazdreg?

 NAVARRO wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Knarloc or Great Knarloc? Those were different things.

These ones

They do look different, smaller bigger tail smaller neck and head.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I think it might actually be a kroot riding a non-kroot creature, which is weird.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
The new kroot mount doesn't seem to have the kroot-style beak that literally all kroot 'animal' form have. I think it might actually be a kroot riding a non-kroot creature, which is weird.

EDIT: also a distinct lack of quills on the mount.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Didn't we recently have rumors about a big kroot refresh/expansion coming with the next tau codex that mentioned mounted kroot/cavalry kroot or whatever? Bit of a confirmation of that rumors veracity?

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Didn't we recently have rumors about a big kroot refresh/expansion coming with the next tau codex that mentioned mounted kroot/cavalry kroot or whatever? Bit of a confirmation of that rumors veracity?

Yes but people don't like it when Valrak is right.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Didn't we recently have rumors about a big kroot refresh/expansion coming with the next tau codex that mentioned mounted kroot/cavalry kroot or whatever? Bit of a confirmation of that rumors veracity?

Yes but people don't like it when Valrak is right.

Or maybe people don't like it when Valrak is given credit for rumors/speculation done years in advance of him "reporting" on it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Didn't we recently have rumors about a big kroot refresh/expansion coming with the next tau codex that mentioned mounted kroot/cavalry kroot or whatever? Bit of a confirmation of that rumors veracity?

Yes but people don't like it when Valrak is right.

Or maybe people don't like it when Valrak is given credit for rumors/speculation done years in advance of him "reporting" on it.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Gonna go out on a limb here and say every single model shown there is a named character. Apart from Leviathan, they only showed named characters as part of GW's "watershed year".

I agree Nazdreg seems like a good bet for the Ork, that gun looks very Kustom Blasta X in appearance. That Kroot is a brand new character if this is the case.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Gonna go out on a limb here and say every single model shown there is a named character. Apart from Leviathan, they only showed named characters as part of GW's "watershed year".

I agree Nazdreg seems like a good bet for the Ork, that gun looks very Kustom Blasta X in appearance. That Kroot is a brand new character if this is the case.

Whoever that Ork is, it seems like a very scrawny body in some sort of exoskeleton or frame that's distinct from a Mega Armour. You can see support pistons under the arms, and the feet have some sort of bracing behind them, while the actual "pilot's" feet are somewhere on the shin of the exo-skeleton.On the right side of the picture, you can sort-of imagine an ork arm holding some sort of control device, while the larger gun-arm is just part of the suit. I.e. it's another "baby carrier".

 Grimtuff wrote:

Light enhanced version of it I found. Can see a few details a tad better.
https://i.imgur.com/3fwWyZb.mp4

 Jadenim wrote:
Probability on the “Redacted” slot being a Kroot codex?

 Gulgog TufToof wrote:
Curious if they’re redoing the lootas box and that’s the mech leading the squad?

Tsagualsa wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The only thing worse than marketing hyperbole is the even-more-hyperbolic discussions on here about it afterwards.

Amen, brother. The usual suspects at their usual spiel, guess it's another six months of lurking then. Merry Christmas to all!

 Jadenim wrote:
Probability on the “Redacted” slot being a Kroot codex?

Tygre wrote:
Could the Ork be Orkimedes?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Tygre wrote:
Could the Ork be Orkimedes?

Nobody else can stay dead, so why not!

 Grimtuff wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Gonna go out on a limb here and say every single model shown there is a named character. Apart from Leviathan, they only showed named characters as part of GW's "watershed year".

I agree Nazdreg seems like a good bet for the Ork, that gun looks very Kustom Blasta X in appearance. That Kroot is a brand new character if this is the case.

Whoever that Ork is, it seems like a very scrawny body in some sort of exoskeleton or frame that's distinct from a Mega Armour. You can see support pistons under the arms, and the feet have some sort of bracing behind them, while the actual "pilot's" feet are somewhere on the shin of the exo-skeleton.On the right side of the picture, you can sort-of imagine an ork arm holding some sort of control device, while the larger gun-arm is just part of the suit. I.e. it's another "baby carrier".

I thought that too. The only reason I can see them modding Nazdreg to either be out of Mega Armour, is Ghazza is *the* character in Mega Armour (something I disagree with the notion of, but I'm trying to rationalise a speculated thought process here), and Nazza is now no longer in MA, or his entire body is bionic. I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of scale on the model, as there doesn't appear to be any obvious skulls and the like to easily gauge how big it is, but the base is lacking the typical scenic base treatment that GW gives big characters, so that's another point against it being Nazdreg.

Edit-
Light enhanced version of it I found. Can see a few details a tad better.
https://i.imgur.com/3fwWyZb.mp4

And the Kroot and Custard Cream for completeness.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/18rcq9c/other_angles_on_the_kroot_rider/
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fe843ytmd5n8c1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D481%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D6d1ebefbb130995626bb39fd0ed1267f5aa014c9

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I just read the 'background' on the new Green Marine Not-Bladeguard.

So a bunch of unknown dudes in black armour appeared from who-knows-where, and the famously suspicious and untrusting Chapter just said 'yup. Inner Circle for you'.

Riiight.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I just read the 'background' on the new Green Marine Not-Bladeguard.

So a bunch of unknown dudes in black armour appeared from who-knows-where, and the famously suspicious and untrusting Chapter just said 'yup. Inner Circle for you'.

Riiight.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I just read the 'background' on the new Green Marine Not-Bladeguard.

So a bunch of unknown dudes in black armour appeared from who-knows-where, and the famously suspicious and untrusting Chapter just said 'yup. Inner Circle for you'.

Riiight.

Because Lion literally rounded up the Fallen and made them the new Inner Inner Circle rather than trust the Dark Angels.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nope. None of the above. At all.

The Lion’s return lead him to meet up with a bunch of “Fallen”. In conversation with one who’d tried to kill him, it becomes apparent not all the Dark Angels present on Caliban knew the truth of Luther’s betrayal.

They fought because they were told The Lion had turned on them. Not because they were anything like True Believers.

It’s then established The Lion can apparently see the truth of them, and tell a dupe from an actual traitor. The actual traitors, y’know, get all killed to death.

Those who were mislead by Luther, but remain truly loyal? Those The Lion christened as “The Risen”

The Inner Circle Companions are very likely members of The Risen. But we need to await the new Codex before we can know for sure.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The actual traitors, y’know, get all killed to death.

chaos0xomega wrote:


Also makes no sense as a secret shame - the Horus Heresy fluff has made it pretty clear that there were elements of basically all the loyal legions that turned traitor, some in quite significant numbers (a significant portion of the White Scars, supposedly an entire great company of Space Wolves, the majority of the Raven Guards terminators come to mind) and that it wasn't a particularly big secret nor much of a surprise to anyone when it happened (beyond, yknow, the initial shock of the Heresy happening at all). Yet its only the Dark Angels who feel the need to go to borderline-treasonous lengths to try to conceal it because reasons.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


Also makes no sense as a secret shame - the Horus Heresy fluff has made it pretty clear that there were elements of basically all the loyal legions that turned traitor, some in quite significant numbers (a significant portion of the White Scars, supposedly an entire great company of Space Wolves, the majority of the Raven Guards terminators come to mind) and that it wasn't a particularly big secret nor much of a surprise to anyone when it happened (beyond, yknow, the initial shock of the Heresy happening at all). Yet its only the Dark Angels who feel the need to go to borderline-treasonous lengths to try to conceal it because reasons.

Made more sense before the mess that is the Heresy Series. Even if every legion having their mix of traitors and loyalists makes more sense ultimately.

 kodos wrote:

but the inner circle itself would go rouge if the Fallen are now considered loyal and having a higher rank than everyone else

 kodos wrote:
same as the Lion telling them prevented the uprising on Caliban in the first place?

 Hellebore wrote:
It doesn't look at all ridiculous that they were considered traitors for 10,000 years and then lion el'plot Wang flops around and presto they weren't traitors all along.

 Hellebore wrote:
It doesn't look at all ridiculous that they were considered traitors for 10,000 years and then lion el'plot Wang flops around and presto they weren't traitors all along.

No matter how you spin it, the retcon stink won't go away. It just screams contrivance.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
It doesn't look at all ridiculous that they were considered traitors for 10,000 years and then lion el'plot Wang flops around and presto they weren't traitors all along.

Some of the Fallen weren't active traitors, but misled by those in charge. Not every Fallen seems to be getting the opportunity to become Risen - and we don't have any idea what proportion are just getting dead'd, and who are getting Forgiven - and as far as I recall it was said as far back as the original Angels of Death codex that a good chunk in the Fallen were misled by Luther et al into believing that the Lion was the traitor, not Luther.

I wouldn't describe this as a retcon, but another progression of the storyline. Whether that's a good thing or not is, of course, going to be down to the individual.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
It doesn't look at all ridiculous that they were considered traitors for 10,000 years and then lion el'plot Wang flops around and presto they weren't traitors all along.

No matter how you spin it, the retcon stink won't go away. It just screams contrivance.

They WERE traitors, but for whatever reason the Lion deemed them worthy of redemption. Bit of a difference there.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
It doesn't look at all ridiculous that they were considered traitors for 10,000 years and then lion el'plot Wang flops around and presto they weren't traitors all along.

No matter how you spin it, the retcon stink won't go away. It just screams contrivance.

They WERE traitors, but for whatever reason the Lion deemed them worthy of redemption. Bit of a difference there.

Because we all know how flip floppy siding with chaos is especially by accident, and how it's just a whoopsy and you're cured of any chaotic taint.

It's not like fighting AGAINST chaos gets you painted with the purge me sign or anything. Definitely can see how actively aiding chaos in fighting the imperium in no way shows a flawed character or dangerous vulnerability that no one would risk ignoring.

Nope, space marines all just accidented their way into a chaos fueled civil war and they're all really pure and noble and once you care bear stare into their hearts the whoopsy just goes away...


If only the other primarchs had deployed their care bear stares during the scouring all those accident prone noble astartes could have all been risen too, maybe they could have saved those naive poor primarchs that got boohoo confused by nasty chaos.

Secret character defining shame? Come now you're being too hard on yourself poor fragile warrior. Let go of your whoopsies and become the superbestest can't ever do any wrong warriors who completely undermine the tragedy and consequences of a civil war we just spent 20 years lathering pathos on with a spatula.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
It doesn't look at all ridiculous that they were considered traitors for 10,000 years and then lion el'plot Wang flops around and presto they weren't traitors all along.

No matter how you spin it, the retcon stink won't go away. It just screams contrivance.

They WERE traitors, but for whatever reason the Lion deemed them worthy of redemption. Bit of a difference there.

Because we all know how flip floppy siding with chaos is especially by accident, and how it's just a whoopsy and you're cured of any chaotic taint.

It's not like fighting AGAINST chaos gets you painted with the purge me sign or anything. Definitely can see how actively aiding chaos in fighting the imperium in no way shows a flawed character or dangerous vulnerability that no one would risk ignoring.

Nope, space marines all just accidented their way into a chaos fueled civil war and they're all really pure and noble and once you care bear stare into their hearts the whoopsy just goes away...


If only the other primarchs had deployed their care bear stares during the scouring all those accident prone noble astartes could have all been risen too, maybe they could have saved those naive poor primarchs that got boohoo confused by nasty chaos.

Secret character defining shame? Come now you're being too hard on yourself poor fragile warrior. Let go of your whoopsies and become the superbestest can't ever do any wrong warriors who completely undermine the tragedy and consequences of a civil war we just spent 20 years lathering pathos on with a spatula.

Andykp wrote:


The whole point about the dark angels used to be you didn’t really know which half of them actual were the traitors. I know that the HH books have ruined that gem but maybe this is a way of going back to a state where maybe the “traitors” were right and the lion is using them to keep an eye on the dodgy as feth “loyalist” types? I hope that is the case and maybe there’s a bit more nuance to the chapter now.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Edit-
Light enhanced version of it I found. Can see a few details a tad better.
https://i.imgur.com/3fwWyZb.mp4

And the Kroot and Custard Cream for completeness.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/18rcq9c/other_angles_on_the_kroot_rider/
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fe843ytmd5n8c1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D481%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D6d1ebefbb130995626bb39fd0ed1267f5aa014c9

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Edit-
Light enhanced version of it I found. Can see a few details a tad better.
https://i.imgur.com/3fwWyZb.mp4

And the Kroot and Custard Cream for completeness.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/18rcq9c/other_angles_on_the_kroot_rider/
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fe843ytmd5n8c1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D481%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D6d1ebefbb130995626bb39fd0ed1267f5aa014c9

Do you know if anyone did this for the other shadow previews we got?

Santtu wrote:
To quote Codex Angels of Death, "most of the Fallen realise that their actions during the fall of Caliban were wrong. Disgusted by the corrupting influence of the Chaos gods and unable to reconcile themselves with their order they lead a solitary existence."

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Santtu wrote:
To quote Codex Angels of Death, "most of the Fallen realise that their actions during the fall of Caliban were wrong. Disgusted by the corrupting influence of the Chaos gods and unable to reconcile themselves with their order they lead a solitary existence."

Exactly. I'm no 40k loremaster, but even I know that not all of the Fallen were actively helping Chaos or even fighting against the Imperium. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that several of them simply hung up their bolters and became farmers.

Voss wrote:

Andykp wrote:


The whole point about the dark angels used to be you didn’t really know which half of them actual were the traitors. I know that the HH books have ruined that gem but maybe this is a way of going back to a state where maybe the “traitors” were right and the lion is using them to keep an eye on the dodgy as feth “loyalist” types? I hope that is the case and maybe there’s a bit more nuance to the chapter now.

That was just the fanon take. It had no basis in... anything. The Chapter DA were the loyalists, period and the end. (Well, post-retcon when they became knights and green and the traitor aspect was created out of nothing, because the traitor bit had no relevance at all to the original version of 1st/2nd edition and the Deathwing short story)

 Geifer wrote:
I'm just baffled that the fluff blurb in the article makes it out like the Companions are some mute weirdos who stalk people and their victims are somehow super chill about it. I hope that's just the article being brief and casual.

 Dominar_Jameson_V wrote:
Hello, I'm not sure if I should post this here or start a new thread, but apparently the latest photo from the rumour engine is a new Kroot.

https://www.thegamer.com/games-workshop-new-kroot-models-warhammer-40000/

People are hoping for a range refresh and expansion, and even a standalone codex.

Personally I'm against that last bit. The Tau have been written into a corner and are so one-sided. It would be interesting to see the Tau become a faction of factions with more focus on its auxiliaries.

So, what do you all make of this article? Could it just be a fancy HQ or Elite? Perhaps a Kroot Lieutenant with antique wargear?

Voss wrote:
Small MTO for next week under all the old world stuff.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/31/sunday-preview-prepare-to-enter-the-world-of-legend/

two necron lords (one with rez orb, one with staff of light, though both look to be holding rez orbs to me), destroyer lord, cryptek.

Plus warpsmith and Huron. Everything resin except warpsmith, who is still metal.

 Fayric wrote:
GW is really going all out nostalgia right now.

Soon enough they make a made to order of the old non plastic Eldar Aspects. -No, wait, those are still the ones we use!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dunno what you mean by primaris design typing away, it seems to be more and more present.

 Geifer wrote:
I think the elemental pots are silly. Way too fantasy wizard for Tau.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like giving credit for "commemorative melee Ethereal" is low-hanging fruit for rumors lol.

Would have been more impressed by a call-out of the elemental bits.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What an odd pose.

'look at my box of... earth'

beast_gts wrote:
Upcoming Miniature of the Month is a Fellgor Warrior:

No_Marines_Here wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Upcoming Miniature of the Month is a Fellgor Warrior:

How quickly do these tend to run out? Will I need to take time off work to rush down on the morning of the 6th?

 Matrindur wrote:
Two? new Chaos boxsets. One is more daemon oriented and has the Jump Attack lord in it. The other one should have Terminators and a Chaos Lord inside. Some rumours about a new Huron Blackheart model but should be taken with a lot of salt and will likely not come with the rest and the codex but later.

 Overread wrote:
At least that's better than the duel army boxed sets where you had to hunt around to find a swapping partner or sell off the second half of the box if you didn't want it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
At least that's better than the duel army boxed sets where you had to hunt around to find a swapping partner or sell off the second half of the box if you didn't want it.

Releasing two new models for a single army, but splitting them up into two separate army boxes filled with existing kits? How would that be "better" in any respect?

 Matrindur wrote:
I could see the two chaos boxsets turning out as one actual boxset, maybe an army set, and the other being a new Combat Patrol.

 Matrindur wrote:

Adepta Sororitas (probably) getting a new boxset with a new HQ

 Oguhmek wrote:
Hahaha, yes he probably means a *orkanaut. The Stompa has been, what 850 points or so for the past few editions (i.e. priced out of the game).

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Adepta Sororitas (probably) getting a new boxset with a new HQ

I rarely believe Valrak rumours at the best of times but I really hope this one in particular isn't true. Last thing the Sisters need is another HQ, they have plenty already and GW is in a mess with the rules to attach them to units as it is.

A lot of these 'box sets' sound like they will be the new CP boxes along with each codex. The Kroot box seems to be the only one that would be something different. However if these are indeed what would be half of the old Battleboxes that is an improvement.

 Geifer wrote:
Sisters could do with a priest/confessor/missionary plastic kit, though. Right now we're limited to a board game character and metal models from the last century.

Not going to comment how much use that is in 10th ed, but purely in terms of models, Sisters aren't yet among the armies for which a new clampack character is the last thing they need.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If Sisters get a “new” HQ I’d rather they just released a Palatine kit with more options than “the good gun or the bad one” available.

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Adepta Sororitas (probably) getting a new boxset with a new HQ

I rarely believe Valrak rumours at the best of times but I really hope this one in particular isn't true.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Sisters need death cultists and crusaders...

tneva82 wrote:
Otoh normal cp would mean less models for same cost trading options for models. I found these great to build up bulk cheaply.

(also helped to fight off attack of the clones syndrome)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Stompa and Orkanaut both cost the same, 90% of the price of a Combat Patrol box. There is zero chance of either one being in a Combat Patrol.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Sisters could do with a priest/confessor/missionary plastic kit, though. Right now we're limited to a board game character and metal models from the last century.

Not going to comment how much use that is in 10th ed, but purely in terms of models, Sisters aren't yet among the armies for which a new clampack character is the last thing they need.

Sisters need death cultists and crusaders, and maybe some rules for using Redemptionists as a form of Frateris militia.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For all the gak he gets, he seems to be right quite often. And him being right seems to make people mad, which is irrational.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For all the gak he gets, he seems to be right quite often. And him being right seems to make people mad, which is irrational.

 Snord wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For all the gak he gets, he seems to be right quite often. And him being right seems to make people mad, which is irrational.

Agreed. I don't watch his videos much, but in the ones I've seen he seems pretty honest about whether he's got good intel or is just making inspired guesses. And his predictions do seem to often be correct. I'm not sure where all the hate comes from, but then I feel the same way about the internet in general...

 Matrindur wrote:

So for example I wouldn't be surprised if his sources just told him the Ork box would have their big robot inside and every ork robot is just a stompa for him but it could also be a Gorka-/Morkanaut instead

 Matrindur wrote:

So for example I wouldn't be surprised if his sources just told him the Ork box would have their big robot inside and every ork robot is just a stompa for him but it could also be a Gorka-/Morkanaut instead

tneva82 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

So for example I wouldn't be surprised if his sources just told him the Ork box would have their big robot inside and every ork robot is just a stompa for him but it could also be a Gorka-/Morkanaut instead

Which would still make no sense for CP unless CP prices are going up big time. But so far combat patrols been same price so hard to see them redoing every CP so far done to new price point...We just got 3 new ones!

But of course it might not be CP but just new model + discount models limited print run with new model separately later type of thing.

ERJAK wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Sisters could do with a priest/confessor/missionary plastic kit, though. Right now we're limited to a board game character and metal models from the last century.

Not going to comment how much use that is in 10th ed, but purely in terms of models, Sisters aren't yet among the armies for which a new clampack character is the last thing they need.

Sisters need death cultists and crusaders, and maybe some rules for using Redemptionists as a form of Frateris militia.

No. We have novitiates, there's absolutely no need to waste resources on frateris militia.

 Geifer wrote:

As great as it is to have plastic Sisters, I don't want to see GW neglect the Ecclesiarchy side of the army like they did Tau auxiliaries. It robs the army of the breadth it should by all rights have.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Valrak for a long time had like a 0% accuracy rate on rumors - that might be a bit of an exaggeration but the point is he was often very wrong and spread absolute bull through the community because he would share utter nonsense and newcomers assumed it was real because he was popular and had a big soapbox/megaphone. Him being mostly right is a relatively recent phenomenon over the past couple years.

 xttz wrote:

I expect GW's new plan is the latter. They've finally figured out that boxes like Eldritch Omens aren't the best way to dsitribute new models in a bundle, because customers are put off over paying for a second faction that they don't collect.

Instead I suspect the next few codexes will get a schedule like this:
1) Release the codex alongside a limited Battleforce-style box that contains a new unit, such as this Mek guy
2) A little while later, release that model separately alongside an updated CP box

This way anyone inspired by the codex release can get 1000pts+ at a discounted price and is more likely to take the leap. Anyone already collecting that faction might be tempted to buy more than just the one new unit.

Greenfield wrote:

 xttz wrote:

I expect GW's new plan is the latter. They've finally figured out that boxes like Eldritch Omens aren't the best way to dsitribute new models in a bundle, because customers are put off over paying for a second faction that they don't collect.

Instead I suspect the next few codexes will get a schedule like this:
1) Release the codex alongside a limited Battleforce-style box that contains a new unit, such as this Mek guy
2) A little while later, release that model separately alongside an updated CP box

This way anyone inspired by the codex release can get 1000pts+ at a discounted price and is more likely to take the leap. Anyone already collecting that faction might be tempted to buy more than just the one new unit.

Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

Greenfield wrote:
Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

Imagine the great Lord/sorceror terminator kit being replaced by a monopose and Dark Eldar still getting nothing... At least Dark Eldar will get a monopose character, too.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

Imagine the great Lord/sorceror terminator kit being replaced by a monopose and Dark Eldar still getting nothing... At least Dark Eldar will get a monopose character, too.

A monopose character will still be like a 20% increase in the number of characters DE have in total.

Better case is a new box with say a new urien rakharth, a new 3 model grotesque kit, a set of wracks, a venom and a pain engine as a coven box set.

Best case would be that plus porting the Tantalus to plastic in place of the dais of destruction with options for Vect or a high archon on a throne or foot. And mandrakes.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
... a new 3 model grotesque kit...

 Matrindur wrote:
Valrak Blood Angels rumours:
He himself is sceptical about this rumours so take this with even more salt than usual

New boxset for them,
New Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Lemartes, new Astorath, new Sanguinor

drbored wrote:

Greenfield wrote:

 xttz wrote:

I expect GW's new plan is the latter. They've finally figured out that boxes like Eldritch Omens aren't the best way to dsitribute new models in a bundle, because customers are put off over paying for a second faction that they don't collect.

Instead I suspect the next few codexes will get a schedule like this:
1) Release the codex alongside a limited Battleforce-style box that contains a new unit, such as this Mek guy
2) A little while later, release that model separately alongside an updated CP box

This way anyone inspired by the codex release can get 1000pts+ at a discounted price and is more likely to take the leap. Anyone already collecting that faction might be tempted to buy more than just the one new unit.

Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

Lion El'Johnson releasing with Bladeguard Veterans.

All the Arks of Omens box sets releasing originally along Farsight, Snikrot, and others.

All the AoS Dawnbringer box sets that have one new model and a bunch of other models before splitting them off individually.

They may not be humongous Battleforce boxes (200+ dollar box sets released around holiday time) but likely smaller boxes with thematic units like we've seen for end-of-edition stuff to help promote army growth. You do save some money on those, at least from what we've seen.

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow! That would be a wild boxed set if it happened.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why would the Blood Angels themselves even want to Primarisise Lemartes? Dude's a total loon since Ward got his hands on him in 5th ed.

And GW aren't going to want to continue with some Firstborn models.

tneva82 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why would the Blood Angels themselves even want to Primarisise Lemartes? Dude's a total loon since Ward got his hands on him in 5th ed.

And GW aren't going to want to continue with some Firstborn models.

You answered on the 2nd line. They don't want to continue with firstborn model. Got to sell new one.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Looks like they stealth-dropped a Necrons FAQ.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Looks like they stealth-dropped a Necrons FAQ.

I don't have the 'dex yet - are those four things nerfs or clarifications?

Voss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Looks like they stealth-dropped a Necrons FAQ.

I don't have the 'dex yet - are those four things nerfs or clarifications?

Off the top of my head, the two strat erratas are nerfs, and the 'FAQs' are explaining that the abilities in question aren't saddled with normal restrictions (or don't need a prerequisite), so very much not nerfs.

The first strat is, I think, preventing the strat from buffing warriors and immortals (they were being affected by [Cryptek] the keyword (because one was in the unit and passing it on), but now its targeted at 'Cryptek models' which is totally different), and the second is limiting the number of units affected.

drbored wrote:
Valrak is a content creator first and foremost. He's deep in the algorithm

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there any info if the old deathwing is going OOP? Obviously there’s the new knights and standard models, but the old kit had command options that neither new kit has

 jspyd3rx wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there any info if the old deathwing is going OOP? Obviously there’s the new knights and standard models, but the old kit had command options that neither new kit has

We’ll have to see the sprue. Hopefully included

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there any info if the old deathwing is going OOP? Obviously there’s the new knights and standard models, but the old kit had command options that neither new kit has