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any idea when can we expect the next WH reveal event? Somehow we got all 40k faction reveals already out. We got the mystery faction nxt and is already June. Perhaps, the following book will come in aug?



... IA/GK possibly?

In case anyone was wanting one, the GSC battlefore is currently in stock at Element. Pairs well with the new combat patrol and with the demise of the old one the best place to get Goliath trucks / rockginders.

Next reveal will probably be after the age of sigmar launch, showing off next wave of 40k and first few sigmar releases.

And another strike on the Tyranids - it seems GW lastchanced and removed the hierodules - and they must have done it really fast because I don't recall seeing any news about it or any lag time.

Very sad about this, esp since they downgraded them to a regular super heavy and made them useful in the game.

I've still got my scythed, but I'd always intended picking up a barbed one day.



Still this might mean new plastic ones - -- one day!



Looks like Necrons lost a LOT of theirs too

Too be honest, I get getting disappointed about products being removed for sale. But Forgeworld being Legends to me just harkens back to the old days when you were expected to need your opponents permission for Forgeworld.

I'd be slightly less disappointed if GW did a proper "last chance" (even though I'd then grumble that its only a week/month at most esp on high value items and on lots of them at once)


What gets me are the "wake up and they are gone" no warning situations where even if you had the money you've no chance to get something.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Next reveal will probably be after the age of sigmar launch, showing off next wave of 40k and first few sigmar releases.

I recall reading something recently about a dedicated AOS preview event in August, I think at the first official tournament.

GW may do something similar to last year's July "no 40k!" stream and have a preview in the next few weeks that excludes AOS, followed by showing off the new faction ranges a few weeks after everyone has had Skaventide.

 Overread wrote:


Still this might mean new plastic ones - -- one day!

A proper plastic double kit for them would be nice. Maybe even triple one, introducing some new Hierodule variant or entirely new creature.

Having a look at the new dataslate for Nids, am I right in thinking a synapse model is in range of itself? So Hive tyrants and Norn Emissaries will get the +1 str all the time in melee?

 xttz wrote:


I recall reading something recently about a dedicated AOS preview event in August, I think at the first official tournament.

That may be due to what happened with 40k 10th edition and Battle of Oghram. AoS is doing something similar and will get a livestream that shows the winner's rest of the new range.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Having a look at the new dataslate for Nids, am I right in thinking a synapse model is in range of itself? So Hive tyrants and Norn Emissaries will get the +1 str all the time in melee?

Yes. Same way they always get to test battle-shock on 3D6.

New Valrak rumour video:

Inquisitor Coteaz will get a new model. "Stoic look, like HH Dorn, resting on a thunder hammer, looking into the distance, eagle flying around him"
Again reiterates that there will be 3 Battleforces boxes for Agents of the Imperium. Ordo Malleus, Ordo Xenos, Ordo Hereticus.

Summary of old BA rumours:
New Lemartes, new Astorath, Death Company themed boxset with Brutalis Dreadnought, Jump Assault Intercessors and Lemartes

New BA info:
New Captain with the same muscle armour design as on other BA models
New Combat Patrol has the new captain in there, squad of new Sanguinary Guard, Squad of Assault Intercessors. Probably something else too as to little right now but thats all he heard.
About the new Sanguinary Guard:
They apparently got their wings removed and instead have the Grav-Chute flaps with wings engraved on them. They are also going down to three per squad like the DA Inner Circle Companions. Wrist mounted Bolters still a thing and apparently getting some kind of "Grey Knight Halbert" as a melee weapon

I cannot stress how frustrating it is that they seem to have the inclinations to add little itty bitty units to the non-divergent divergent Chapters, but refuse to give any of the actual in the codex Chapters a morsel of a unit.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I cannot stress how frustrating it is that they seem to have the inclinations to add little itty bitty units to the non-divergent divergent Chapters, but refuse to give any of the actual in the codex Chapters a morsel of a unit.

But if “codex” chapters had unique units, they wouldn’t adhering to the codex any more.??

 Kanluwen wrote:
I cannot stress how frustrating it is that they seem to have the inclinations to add little itty bitty units to the non-divergent divergent Chapters, but refuse to give any of the actual in the codex Chapters a morsel of a unit.

Umm, marine codex has over 90 datasheets...

I think he’s referring to things like Raven Guard jump body guard with claws, or maybe a salamander gravis unit with thunderhammer/stormshield etc.
Would be nice to see but only really possible with book expansions like we had in 8th. With a 3 year churn cycle, there is not time to flesh these out when the corporate gods stress a complete new edition and recycle of codexes.

Andykp wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I cannot stress how frustrating it is that they seem to have the inclinations to add little itty bitty units to the non-divergent divergent Chapters, but refuse to give any of the actual in the codex Chapters a morsel of a unit.

But if “codex” chapters had unique units, they wouldn’t adhering to the codex any more.??

Ultramarines literally have a unique bodyguard unit in the form of the Victrix Guard. Just because they're now rolled into Calgar's entry does not mean they did not exist.

they also had Tyrannic War Veterans until recently (i think that might be my vote for the weirdest oddity in the SM range. just, why?)

 bullyboy wrote:
I think he’s referring to things like Raven Guard jump body guard with claws, or maybe a salamander gravis unit with thunderhammer/stormshield etc.
Would be nice to see but only really possible with book expansions like we had in 8th. With a 3 year churn cycle, there is not time to flesh these out when the corporate gods stress a complete new edition and recycle of codexes.

Oh please, it could be done without book expansions. They did unique lieutenant loadouts for individual Chapters before.

In an ideal world? We'd see a unique bodyguard unit for each of the Codex Chapters, a unique unit in general, and a unique piece of wargear for lieutenants and captains.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they also had Tyrannic War Veterans until recently (i think that might be my vote for the weirdest oddity in the SM range. just, why?)

A combination of things, I guess. They were metal models, and sculpting and casting four metal Marines for the poster boy faction was likely only ever going to generate profit. Cassius also got a (metal) model around the time, when GW doubled down on the Ultramarine poster boy craze and came up with a lot of new special characters for them, and Tyrannic War Veterans gave him a flavorful unit to join.

Also until 4th ed Ultramarines didn't really have anything special in terms of units. Which is of course the point, but as one of the big four, GW couldn't just let them be the examplars of the Codex Astartes and tried to add things like Calgar's bodyguards and Tyrannic War Veterans that were harmless in so far as they didn't feel like violations of long standing background.

They were just a bit of harmless fun. We used to get things like that back in the day.

GW did some unique character models & upgrade sprues for the other codex chapters back in 8th(?) edition, I remember a lot of them showing up later in overstock clearance sales including GW's own mystery drop bundles. Perhaps there just aren't enough players for those chapters to make unique plastic kits viable?

 xttz wrote:
GW did some unique character models & upgrade sprues for the other codex chapters back in 8th(?) edition, I remember a lot of them showing up later in overstock clearance sales including GW's own mystery drop bundles. Perhaps there just aren't enough players for those chapters to make unique plastic kits viable?

They did the "characters"(really just named but not named lieutenants) for the Divergent Non-Divergent Chapters only. DA, BA, SW(whose model came in the GSC v SW box), and then one that was obviously meant to be Ultramarines(came with the Aeldari v SM box). They also did the upgrade sprues for those Chapters only and did them around the launch of Primaris.

Shadowspear marked a turning point for the Marine stuff and the lead-in to the Codex Chapter supplements which saw the rework of a bunch of older characters into Primaris and some new characters as Primaris as well.

 Geifer wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they also had Tyrannic War Veterans until recently (i think that might be my vote for the weirdest oddity in the SM range. just, why?)

A combination of things, I guess. They were metal models, and sculpting and casting four metal Marines for the poster boy faction was likely only ever going to generate profit. Cassius also got a (metal) model around the time, when GW doubled down on the Ultramarine poster boy craze and came up with a lot of new special characters for them, and Tyrannic War Veterans gave him a flavorful unit to join.

Also until 4th ed Ultramarines didn't really have anything special in terms of units. Which is of course the point, but as one of the big four, GW couldn't just let them be the examplars of the Codex Astartes and tried to add things like Calgar's bodyguards and Tyrannic War Veterans that were harmless in so far as they didn't feel like violations of long standing background.

They were just a bit of harmless fun. We used to get things like that back in the day.

TWVs were sternguard before SG was a thing. At the time when vets were a a single unit, before the VG/SG vet split, they were the special shooty vets. My recollection was that most normal veteran squads at the time were used as choppy ones, because that’s what the stats/wargear/rules promoted. TWV actually let you field vets that shot better.

Once 5th came out with SG, TWVs were basically redundant. The only time to field them using their actual rules (when they had them) was to list tailor against nid players. Why? But they are very cool and flavorful minis, and work just fine in sternguard squads. Which is where mine have been serving faithfully in many a battle.

I think I remember that initially (so around 2nd/3rd edition times) veteran squads were more or less just tactical squads with white helmets, the Crux Terminatus as the squad sign, and Terminator stats (I think +1 on WS, BS, Initiative, and Attack, (maybe also Ld) compared to regular Marines), or just one extra attack because of the Crux Terminatus? And maybe the leader got the Veteran upgrade for free that regular squads had to buy.

But I don't remember it too well, It's been more than two decades.

Yeah, Veterans as barely different Tactical Squads were nothing to write home about. Terminator honors from 3rd ed onward added +1A and +1LD. It wasn't a bad thought per se taking things easy like that. The game wasn't terribly lethal during that time and in theory the additional attacks would give you a modest edge if you found your squad engaged by a fairly large number of close combat units. But rapid fire rules and superior close combat rules crippled bolter Marines as it was, without even considering the impact of paying extra for no increase in survivability when you could get actual close combat troops to do a better job once they got stuck in.

As Nevelon said, Tyrannic War Veterans actually had something of a point as a poor poor man's Deathwatch Kill Team before Sternguard was introduced as the actual poor man's Deathwatch Kill Team. If you played Ultramarines, of course. If you played a cool chapter, their existence didn't do you any good.

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, Veterans as barely different Tactical Squads were nothing to write home about. Terminator honors from 3rd ed onward added +1A and +1LD. It wasn't a bad thought per se taking things easy like that. The game wasn't terribly lethal during that time and in theory the additional attacks would give you a modest edge if you found your squad engaged by a fairly large number of close combat units. But rapid fire rules and superior close combat rules crippled bolter Marines as it was, without even considering the impact of paying extra for no increase in survivability when you could get actual close combat troops to do a better job once they got stuck in.

Even in 3rd Vets could take BP and CS, and assoon as 4th, Vets could be given a LC or PF replacing the heavy weapon, and Power weapon replacing the special weapon. And at the time Assault Marines could take a couple plasma pistols but otherwise no special close combat equipment over a Vet squad.

But to your point that was what anyone that took them with termi honours would do, no point in paying 10ppm for an extra S4 attack on bolter Marines.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, Veterans as barely different Tactical Squads were nothing to write home about. Terminator honors from 3rd ed onward added +1A and +1LD. It wasn't a bad thought per se taking things easy like that. The game wasn't terribly lethal during that time and in theory the additional attacks would give you a modest edge if you found your squad engaged by a fairly large number of close combat units. But rapid fire rules and superior close combat rules crippled bolter Marines as it was, without even considering the impact of paying extra for no increase in survivability when you could get actual close combat troops to do a better job once they got stuck in.

Even in 3rd Vets could take BP and CS, and assoon as 4th, Vets could be given a LC or PF replacing the heavy weapon, and Power weapon replacing the special weapon. And at the time Assault Marines could take a couple plasma pistols but otherwise no special close combat equipment over a Vet squad.

But to your point that was what anyone that took them with termi honours would do, no point in paying 10ppm for an extra S4 attack on bolter Marines.

Little bit of extra detail- vets in 3rd were Ld9 by default, terminator honours only provided an extra attack. Vets in 4th required terminator honours to get Ld9 (and the extra A), but you could just upgrade the sergeant to get Ld9 the vast majority of the time, and in 4th a Captain or Master on the table would give Ld9+ to every unit regardless so it was less important anyway despite Ld being a bigger deal in 4th than 3rd.

 Kanluwen wrote:

In an ideal world? We'd see a unique bodyguard unit for each of the Codex Chapters, a unique unit in general, and a unique piece of wargear for lieutenants and captains.

In a truly ideal world?

Marines wouldn't get another damn thing until every other faction caught up with them... Meaning every other faction in the game got 3 Supplemental books with extra detachments for their subfactions, as well as actual bespoke units for all of those snowflake subfactions, and each faction's base range grew to 90+ datacards. Once the balance was achieved, in an ideal world, GW would maintain it by adding the same number of units to every army every edition.

Now, obviously I know we're never going to get that. But the closer GW takes us in that direction, the better. And there are things they could do to move the needle. The Kroot was good. The Aspect Warriors were good. Rumoured Inquisition Battleforces, and IA dex will be good if true.

Mandrakes were also good, but I swear if we don't get the court of the Archon, Wych Cult Beasts and Grotesques... I just don't know how much longer I can support the company if it doesn't give us at least that.

GW had me content in 9th, because I felt every Army's subfactions at least had rules parity with Marine subfactions. While I had that, I felt like I had something. Then GW decided to make subfactions irrelevant, and now there are ten possible ways to build a Blood Angels Army (7 + 3 detachments I think?), while there are only 4 ways to build a sisters army, despite having six major orders.

If you only ever yardstick against what marines get you'll never be happy, they will always get the most stuff, the most frequently and they're caught in a loop where they're the most popular and therefore sell the most so get the most releases which makes them popular.

To keep using sisters as an example, I'm not sure why they picked 4 army styles, I'm not sure if there are other appropriate suggestions for more. But sisters are in a far healthier position now than they were for at least 5 editions in the run up to their relaunch.

All armies (including marines) have less stuff and fewer options than in 9th and I much prefer the current methodology as previously discussed, but this is still leaps ahead of where the game existed for decades for faction representation and rules comprehensiveness.

4 good beats 4 good and 4 trash anyway.

Sisters got 4 good ones. Compare to marines where several can be just ignored.

Only issue being the usual free bonus rules like detachments give. Point values impossible to get right since one has to price as if best detachment. So units bad in other detachments. Penitent units being prime example with sisters.

Free rules outside datasheet always give problems.