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 Platuan4th wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.

55 euros for a single model is still 55 euros for a single model, and how much are in the troop boxes? How much do you need? If you need 2 to make a proper regiment, like you would often need to do in WHFB 8th ed, then they haven't learned anything as you still need to drop 124 euros on a single regiment.

TOW is running closer to 6th ed Unit sizes than 8th Unit sizes.

Then it might be bearable. The old orc sets were something like 16-20 models a box, right?
Still, 55 for a single lord is a bit. How big it is anyway?

From everything that I've seen and heard, Orks made out WAAAAAY better than Custodes, so count yourself lucky.

angel of death 007 wrote:
I think the fact that they released Orks and Custodes at the same time did neither faction any justice. Neither got an army box w/ a codex and there was no battle box like they used to do with two factions.

I was completely underwhelmed by the whole thing, and Orks are my jam.

armies only get army boxes if they're getting a substantial number of new models (ie, T'au), and they seem to have retired battle boxes in favor of battleforces as a vehicle for releasing single models

and this is more than they did for necrons and admech

angel of death 007 wrote:
there was no battle box like they used to do with two factions

Battle boxes have been pretty much scrapped now because GW finally realised that they don't actually get most players to start collecting that second faction, it just meant people just left the overpriced box on the shelf.

Even though I didn't buy one, I'd much rather have the single-faction stompa box as an option over some Orks with a Custodes model tax attached.

I would have grabbed a stompa box myself but the FLGS ran out of their allocation.

Honestly it would have been nice to have full army boxes with new models and codices for both custodes and orks, but the question would be what would be included.
Maybe orks could have had a new sprue for the stompa to give options, new tankbustas, and 20-30 new grots to go with the big mek?
Custodes with 6-10 plastic Venetari, a Venatari Shield captain, a Calladius tank and a Pallas fast attack?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would have grabbed a stompa box myself but the FLGS ran out of their allocation.

Honestly it would have been nice to have full army boxes with new models and codices for both custodes and orks, but the question would be what would be included.
Maybe orks could have had a new sprue for the stompa to give options, new tankbustas, and 20-30 new grots to go with the big mek?
Custodes with 6-10 plastic Venetari, a Venatari Shield captain, a Calladius tank and a Pallas fast attack?

issue there is, GW can only make so many new models, and these codexes came out right between the t'au and darkoath boxes. it would be really nice to get the fw custodes range in plastic, but instead they put custodes (and orks) in the "just a new character" slot

Just a small info from Valraks newest video
The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.

55 euros for a single model is still 55 euros for a single model, and how much are in the troop boxes? How much do you need? If you need 2 to make a proper regiment, like you would often need to do in WHFB 8th ed, then they haven't learned anything as you still need to drop 124 euros on a single regiment.

TOW is running closer to 6th ed Unit sizes than 8th Unit sizes.

Then it might be bearable. The old orc sets were something like 16-20 models a box, right?
Still, 55 for a single lord is a bit. How big it is anyway?

Chaps, please take your Old World discussion to the Old World thread, or continue through PM's, cheers.

 Matrindur wrote:
Just a small info from Valraks newest video
The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)

He mentioned the Darktide game on the live streams a few times, but obviously that can't be cited.

I think he did say that it would get new models tbh, which was wrong, but I couldn't swear to that and there's no way to find out for sure.

 The Phazer wrote:
He mentioned the Darktide game on the live streams a few times, but obviously that can't be cited.

I think he did say that it would get new models tbh, which was wrong, but I couldn't swear to that and there's no way to find out for sure.

Aren't the live streams under his channel just like everything else? I mean, I'm not looking through them to check, but someone could if they cared to.

angel of death 007 wrote:
I think the fact that they released Orks and Custodes at the same time did neither faction any justice. Neither got an army box w/ a codex and there was no battle box like they used to do with two factions.

I was completely underwhelmed by the whole thing, and Orks are my jam.

The last thing I'd want is a codex in a box set right now. Having to wait a couple months to actually use the rules and models seems miserable.

I assume there's a missing "in tournaments" from that statement, LunarSol, as there doesn't seem to be anything stopping them being used outside of such things.

you mean except that you cannot buy the book and therefore also cannot use it

 Matrindur wrote:
Just a small info from Valraks newest video
The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)

What did he say about blood angels, space wolves and emperors children?

 kodos wrote:
you mean except that you cannot buy the book and therefore also cannot use it

Well, if you buy the box you can - and given the reference to not using the models, that would imply someone who did manage to acquire such a box.

 Dysartes wrote:

 kodos wrote:
you mean except that you cannot buy the book and therefore also cannot use it

Well, if you buy the box you can - and given the reference to not using the models, that would imply someone who did manage to acquire such a box.

The main issue is just that the points in the books have largely been nonsense. Many times not even attractive to use at the points listed and for the full codexes the existing units generally have Index points that aren't very compelling to use either. You certainly can play that way; its just not very appealing.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Just a small info from Valraks newest video
The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)

What did he say about blood angels, space wolves and emperors children?

I think k it's that blood angels are getting a battleforce launch box w new primaris sanguinary guard + sanguinor, and Emperors children are within the next year or so w new Fulgrim and Noise Marines (which is kinda obvious so not sure what the value of that one is).

Be nice if people would summarize that stuff instead of assuming we are all up to date w his rumors.

chaos0xomega wrote:

I think k it's that blood angels are getting a battleforce launch box w new primaris sanguinary guard + sanguinor, and Emperors children are within the next year or so w new Fulgrim and Noise Marines (which is kinda obvious so not sure what the value of that one is).

Be nice if people would summarize that stuff instead of assuming we are all up to date w his rumors.

Blood Angels:

Boxset with their codex, Death Company themed box
- New Upgrade Sprue
- Jump Assault Intercessors (Not sure how many)
- Brutalis Dreadnought
- New Lemartes Model
also new Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Astorath, new Sanguinor

Space Wolves:

Apparently SW vs Orks focus in 11th edition, Nothing concrete yet but will also get a big refresh like DA and BA.
Leman Russ should be coming first at the end of this edition like the Lion in 9th, maybe together with EC?

Emperors Children:

No concrete models but will get their own codex like TS, DG, WE. Will be at the back end of the edition

Also Genestealers:

Genestealers getting a single psyker character that looks similar to the necromunda Delaque Psyker
Also getting a boxset with 2x Goliath Rockgrinders and an unspecified number of Neophytes and "Hulking Brutes" which he probably meant the Aberrants with. No specific information if the new HQ is in here but its very likely looking at every other box.

Sisters of battle:

Sister of Battle get a new Canoness with Jump Pack and the boxset will have Seraphim/Zephyrim and two tanks but no info which tank.

Grey Knights:

Getting a vehicle - heard it could be an upgraded baby carrier (please no)
Also Kaldor Draigo

Aeldari:

Asurman, Baharroth, Fuegan, new Warp Spiders lord
Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders

Astra Militarum:

big Krieg refresh

I'm sure I missed something but this should be the most important things for 40k

 Dysartes wrote:

 kodos wrote:
you mean except that you cannot buy the book and therefore also cannot use it

Well, if you buy the box you can - and given the reference to not using the models, that would imply someone who did manage to acquire such a box.

if you want to play your existing army from the beginning, needing to buy more models you don't want/need in addition to not being able to wait for reviews because it is limited stock is not just a simple "you can"

if you cannot buy the book for several months a "technically if you pay 200€ instead of 40€ you can" is not really a good argument here

He also said Karandras would be coming eventually - that he was somehow forgotten when the Scorpions were redone.

 Matrindur wrote:


Blood Angels:

Boxset with their codex, Death Company themed box
- New Upgrade Sprue
- Jump Assault Intercessors (Not sure how many)
- Brutalis Dreadnought
- New Lemartes Model
also new Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Astorath, new Sanguinor

Space Wolves:

Apparently SW vs Orks focus in 11th edition, Nothing concrete yet but will also get a big refresh like DA and BA.
Leman Russ should be coming first at the end of this edition like the Lion in 9th, maybe together with EC?

Emperors Children:

No concrete models but will get their own codex like TS, DG, WE. Will be at the back end of the edition

Also Genestealers:

Genestealers getting a single psyker character that looks similar to the necromunda Delaque Psyker
Also getting a boxset with 2x Goliath Rockgrinders and an unspecified number of Neophytes and "Hulking Brutes" which he probably meant the Aberrants with. No specific information if the new HQ is in here but its very likely looking at every other box.

Sisters of battle:

Sister of Battle get a new Canoness with Jump Pack and the boxset will have Seraphim/Zephyrim and two tanks but no info which tank.

Grey Knights:

Getting a vehicle - heard it could be an upgraded baby carrier (please no)
Also Kaldor Draigo

Aeldari:

Asurman, Baharroth, Fuegan, new Warp Spiders lord
Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders

Astra Militarum:

big Krieg refresh

I'm sure I missed something but this should be the most important things for 40k

Thanks Matrindur, greatly appreciated!

Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

New Warp Spiders how can this be? How can anyone improve upon the perfection of the 1994 Warp Spiders? Why would anyone try!

Plastic Krieg? But we've only waited 20 years for that, surely new Warp Spiders are the priority here!

More seriously it would be nice to have some kind of Vet guardsmen unit back for the Kill Team Krieg set and then just a cheap and easy to build rifleman squad. My main objection to current GW kits (OK besides prices) is how the common rifleman suddenly needs 8-12 parts, multiply that by 10, 20, 50, 100 models and you go insane. So yeah, rules for a Krieg vet squad/engineers, cheap and easy riflemen, heavy weapons and command. Do I ask for too much?

Plastic Krieg? That is both welcome, and means I should hurry up and get the beautiful resin command units before they get replaced.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

from what we know the process for new plastics takes 2-3 years (design start to release) so yes GW would already have started working on the 11th Edi Marine release and the army that goes with it in the starter set

might also just be speculation as with Russ coming end of 10th that SW get a focus in 11th and must be against Orks because of the last Ragnar story

Valrak has also said that the Imperial Agents book will include three box sets - one for each Inquisition ordos, but nothing about contents as far as I know.

 The Phazer wrote:
Valrak has also said that the Imperial Agents book will include three box sets - one for each Inquisition ordos, but nothing about contents as far as I know.

I was going to say I'll believe this when I see it, but I could see them release a box with Greyfax, the new kill team acolyte sprue, and a squad of Sisters; Draxus, the new acolyte sprue, and a squad of Deathwatch; and a new Malleus Inquisitor, the new acolyte sprue, and a squad of Grey Knights.

That requires a just a single new model we haven't seen (unless they reused the limited Malleus Inquisitor model) and feels like the amount of effort GW could bring themselves to muster for Agents.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

Not even a year, right?

Hah, I got excited about the MTO for Orks, but I have all of those models already! My Kommandos have always been those original metals, and my Deff Dreads are also the 3e metals. And of course, the metal nobs were the only way to get a Waagh banner for ages.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

Not even a year, right?

still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

 kodos wrote:

might also just be speculation as with Russ coming end of 10th that SW get a focus in 11th and must be against Orks because of the last Ragnar story

Just to temper expectations the SW vs Orks focus doesn't necessarily need to be the big launch box focus. It would actually make more sense if its more of a lore focus that comes after whatever is the big one for the launch.

Since Orks already got a big refresh last edition they wouldn't really need another big one from a launch set, at least other factions would need it more. And while there will of course be Space Marines in the launch set its unlikely to be SW as they always did vanilla marines for launch sets since 8th. Something like Dark Angels this edition where Leman Russ appears at the end of 10th and then a refresh wave as one of the early codexes makes more sense. And the "vs Orks" part could just be lore or a vs-boxset

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

Not even a year, right?

still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)

If the issues that mean the edition is viewed as "unsalvageable" are core elements of the edition, then they're unlikely to be changed without an edition change.

Codex or datasheet issues might be looked at before then, but something like "No, upgrades don't cost points" or "No, you can't buy additional models individually" is very unlikely to be changed outside of an edition change.