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WE Detachment article from WarCom

They pretty much match up with the detailed WE leaked rules don't they?

Doohicky wrote:
They pretty much match up with the detailed WE leaked rules don't they?

Not completely, the army rule saw more changes than they allude to in the article.

No confirmation of 20 model units for berzerkers still.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.

I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.

I'm a bit lost as to what you were expecting at this point. To give them an uppie downie detachment (Nurgle that is). The four chaos gods are already a bit pigeon holed, hard to give them more than a couple options that aren't focused on more than a couple of units.

Dudeface wrote:

Doohicky wrote:
They pretty much match up with the detailed WE leaked rules don't they?

Not completely, the army rule saw more changes than they allude to in the article.

I reckon this is classic WarCom not thinking about how readers interpret what they say.

What they're trying to say is that the core of the army rule functions in the same way: roll 8 eight dice looking for doubles & triples to activate two abilities. There's a solid chance that the article writer either didn't notice (or didn't even check) if all of those abilities all work in the same way as in the WE index.

there is a very good chance the writer doesn't know 40k at all beyond that it is a model line from the company they work for and the only information they know is what was given to them for the press release

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.

I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.

I'm a bit lost as to what you were expecting at this point. To give them an uppie downie detachment (Nurgle that is). The four chaos gods are already a bit pigeon holed, hard to give them more than a couple options that aren't focused on more than a couple of units.

Congratulations on identifying the problem.

So another thing I noticed in the DG info.
The skullsquirm blight now reduces hit by 1 instead of affecting WS and BS, so no more stacking on it

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.

I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.

I'm a bit lost as to what you were expecting at this point. To give them an uppie downie detachment (Nurgle that is). The four chaos gods are already a bit pigeon holed, hard to give them more than a couple options that aren't focused on more than a couple of units.

Congratulations on identifying the problem.

And you on proposing a reasonable and balanced solution. Shame GW havent gone that direction. Oh wait. I seem to have confused you with someone else, my apologies.

It's a shame there are only 6 detachments when we had 7 vectorium rules before. I guess a psyker detachment doesn't work in an edition without psykers, especially when you send what is left of former psyker options to legends.

Will the Grotmas Detachments still work?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Will the Grotmas Detachments still work?

Yeah they said that Grotmas rules were written with future unreleased codexes in mind... probably until the end of this edition.

It means DG will get a total of 7 detachments and WE have 6.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hywvdtyb/two-new-villains-arise-for-the-death-guard-and-world-eaters/




Looks like that confirms the extra toughness on DG. Not a fan of dev wounds on a weapon with lethal hits as lethal hits lowers chances of getting the dev wounds, but suppose it's still something

Doesn't look like the Lord of Poxes fills any niché the DG would lack... it's just another Character in an army full of characters and a special rule that therefore is in competition with at least 8 other character special rules.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Doesn't look like the Lord of Poxes fills any niché the DG would lack... it's just another Character in an army full of characters and a special rule that therefore is in competition with at least 8 other character special rules.

He is the only beatstick(ish) power armoured character.
No other power armoured model has a ws2+ S8 D2 weapon. All the others hit on 3+ or 4+.
In fact I would say the other power armoured characters are all support characters, none really are much use in CC themselves.

Well, I suppose that may not be true in new codex, maybe the heavy CC weapons have been improved to hit on normal WS.

Doohicky wrote:

He is the only beatstick(ish) power armoured character.
No other power armoured model has a ws2+ S8 D2 weapon. All the others hit on 3+ or 4+.
In fact I would say the other power armoured characters are all support characters, none really are much use in CC themselves.

Well, I suppose that may not be true in new codex, maybe the heavy CC weapons have been improved to hit on normal WS.

The ONLY character we have currently that comes close to being a CC 'beatstick' in power armour is, of all things, the Plague Surgeon. The rest just have a measly pokey stick while hes been swinging at damage 2 with decent AP all edition. Would certainly be nice to have the new guy alongside him to have a melee blender in a rhino, but we don't even know if we an double up on characters yet.

Why is the Lord of Poxes a better fighter than the Slaughterbound?

 BorderCountess wrote:
Why is the Lord of Poxes a better fighter than the Slaughterbound?

Because the rest of the WE codex is an elaborate assortment of melee buffs to be layered on top.

Just as one example, a Onebound can be A8 S10 AP-2 D3 on the charge by adding a detachment rule & enhancement, and that's before you trigger his once per game ability or armywide blessings for dev wounds into infantry / lethal / sustained or strats.

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 xttz wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:
Why is the Lord of Poxes a better fighter than the Slaughterbound?

Because the rest of the WE codex is an elaborate assortment of melee buffs to be layered on top.

Just as one example, a Onebound can be A8 S10 AP-2 D3 on the charge by adding a detachment rule & enhancement, and that's before you trigger his once per game ability or armywide blessings for dev wounds into infantry / lethal / sustained or strats.

For the not-really-melee armies, the best you get is a nice model with a solid statline. When you have a one dimensional all fight phase all the time army, there has to be extra layers to make it work.

A Slaughterbound led unit could for example:
1. Make sure 2 of the easiest to activate blessings are on (6" pile in/consol and fight on death)
2. Charge a unit and pile in as far around them as possible (6" move to play with)
3. Wipe the unit, then consolidate into a nearby unit (6" move to play with)
4. The new unit has to hit you
5. Fight back on death and kill them too (fight back on a 4+ or be in the detachment that has a strat to make it happen without rolling)
6. Slaughterbound regens dead models to let you try it again next turn

Lord of Poxes is neat but he isn't getting close to that.


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Some random datasheets on Warcom today. Death Korps have had their word salad wargear options tidied up somewhat, and the Chaos Daemons index has had a revamp - seems like only vanilla chaos marines and knights can take index daemon allies now (presumably the specific daemon detachments are now the only access that Death Guard/Thousand Sons/World Eaters can use).

It shows Eldar Legends as updated too, but the new file seems to be identical to the old one.

Why GW is so determined to block the monogod legions from using their own demons is genuinely bizarre to me.

There are now god specific Slaanesh Demons that the Emperor's Children can't take but the Black Legion can.

 The Phazer wrote:
There are now god specific Slaanesh Demons that the Emperor's Children can't take but the Black Legion can.

I mean... for now. We all know how this is going to end.

Lord Of The Eightbound:
If this model is attached to a WORLD EATERS POSSESSED unit blah de blah de blah

Leader:
This model can be attached to the following units: EIGHTBOUND, EXALTED EIGHTBOUND

Umm...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
There are now god specific Slaanesh Demons that the Emperor's Children can't take but the Black Legion can.

I mean... for now. We all know how this is going to end.

Agreed. Insert the classic wait and see.


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Crispy78 wrote:
Lord Of The Eightbound:
If this model is attached to a WORLD EATERS POSSESSED unit blah de blah de blah

Leader:
This model can be attached to the following units: EIGHTBOUND, EXALTED EIGHTBOUND

Umm...

Those units will have the possessed keyword I would assume.

Dudeface wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Lord Of The Eightbound:
If this model is attached to a WORLD EATERS POSSESSED unit blah de blah de blah

Leader:
This model can be attached to the following units: EIGHTBOUND, EXALTED EIGHTBOUND

Umm...

Those units will have the possessed keyword I would assume.

I mean, it's right there on the Lord's datasheet and everything.

The Lord of Poxes' blade looks like a thunder hammer that hits on two's. I wonder if the Gift of Poxes aura will work when inside a transport.

I like the Slaughterbound's model, but his melee profile should at least have sustained hits. Also, I would much rather have an ability that buffs the whole unit it's leading rather than Possessed Lord.

 Insularum wrote:

Some random datasheets on Warcom today. Death Korps have had their word salad wargear options tidied up somewhat, and the Chaos Daemons index has had a revamp - seems like only vanilla chaos marines and knights can take index daemon allies now (presumably the specific daemon detachments are now the only access that Death Guard/Thousand Sons/World Eaters can use).

It would be really nice if GW would announce these updates.

Leaked Morty datasheet.
He has went way up in power, so expecting quite a points hike.

Edit: I was reading wrong, this is not so much an aur but a once per turn ability to use when you choose