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 xttz wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Rumours were no models for them though right? Which means they'll just be a blip before we get to 40k's most perfect army

They're apparently getting a new Armiger variant, via a 3rd weapon sprue

Ah OK, thanks. Still not a major release so will probably see that and move on before too long

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Rumours were no models for them though right? Which means they'll just be a blip before we get to 40k's most perfect army

No idea - I didn't watch the roadmap preview show, so I don't know if anything was said. I did think they'd said at the start of the edition that every Codex would get at least a model released for it, though.

 Marshal Loss wrote:


Rumours were no models for them though right? Which means they'll just be a blip before we get to 40k's most perfect army

Not heard anything either way, but it would be the second edition Knight players would miss out on. The last time they scraped by bundling the variants for the Armigers and Dominus kits, which incured a price-hike.

My own "stab in the dark" is House Militia for Imperial Knights, and then later on a Tyrant kit for Chaos Knights. Much like the Questoris and Armiger kits, the House Militia can be given its own datasheet in the Chaos Knights codex.

Militia would open up both Combat Patrol and Kill Team.

My wish is that they will give the Imperial Knights the ability to run 2 avengers like the Knight in Dawn of War III.

Going back to the DKoK stuff, did GW pull the Veteran Guardsmen KT box? I couldn't find it today when I was looking to price out the army.

Looks like its pulled - Wayland have it listed out-of-stock and awaiting reprint.

Sarigar wrote:
Interestingly, the Striking Scorpion Kill Team is not even displayed on the GW website (US).

legionaires wrote:Going back to the DKoK stuff, did GW pull the Veteran Guardsmen KT box? I couldn't find it today when I was looking to price out the army.

For both its because not all KT sets have been rereleased for the new edition yet



According to Auspex Tactics this is apperently the new AM Combat Patrol:



Slightly worse discount compared to the old one at 31% compared to 35% and probably a worse selection of models to start with for most people (Not a single basic infantry squad?)

Does also mean the Krieg army set contents won't just be the CP contents so no reason to wait if you want the contents on a discount

According to Auspex Tactics this is apperently the new AM Combat Patrol:

Spoiler:

Slightly worse discount compared to the old one at 31% compared to 35% and probably a worse selection of models to start with for most people (Not a single basic infantry squad?)

Does also mean the Krieg army set contents won't just be the CP contents so no reason to wait if you want the contents on a discount

Personal opinion here - disregarding the lower level of price per model, etc etc. This box seems more aimed at veteran collectors who haven't pulled the trigger on some of the newer minis. I get a new Cadian Command sprue (really just tons of kitbashing potential there if I don't already have one), ten rough riders (Which a vet may have, if older or their own kitbashed) and some of the newer kasrkin (which were insane to find at one point and I likely have older versions already).

A new collector wouldn't know what to do with this box. A vet has these guys already slotted into critical spaces if needed (Heavy on the "IF")

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

have they done a box that is space marines vs space marines before, aside from the recent starter box? a WE kill team would certainly be appreciated, especially to flesh out the range, but i'm also wondering about something demon-based, or maybe a mix of demons and cultists (this would depend on if demons get folded in with cults like the rumors say)

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

have they done a box that is space marines vs space marines before, aside from the recent starter box? a WE kill team would certainly be appreciated, especially to flesh out the range, but i'm also wondering about something demon-based, or maybe a mix of demons and cultists (this would depend on if demons get folded in with cults like the rumors say)

i was thinking for kill team specifically, but that makes sense

 blockade23 wrote:

According to Auspex Tactics this is apperently the new AM Combat Patrol:

Spoiler:

Slightly worse discount compared to the old one at 31% compared to 35% and probably a worse selection of models to start with for most people (Not a single basic infantry squad?)

Does also mean the Krieg army set contents won't just be the CP contents so no reason to wait if you want the contents on a discount

Personal opinion here - disregarding the lower level of price per model, etc etc. This box seems more aimed at veteran collectors who haven't pulled the trigger on some of the newer minis. I get a new Cadian Command sprue (really just tons of kitbashing potential there if I don't already have one), ten rough riders (Which a vet may have, if older or their own kitbashed) and some of the newer kasrkin (which were insane to find at one point and I likely have older versions already).

A new collector wouldn't know what to do with this box. A vet has these guys already slotted into critical spaces if needed (Heavy on the "IF")

I'm pretty sure the goal this edition is to normalize the Combat Patrol contents a bit so that next edition they can push it as its own game similar to Spearhead. I assume the Rough Riders result in something more points equivalent than the old box, which while a good deal, was still incredibly low compared to other boxes.

 LunarSol wrote:


I'm pretty sure the goal this edition is to normalize the Combat Patrol contents a bit so that next edition they can push it as its own game similar to Spearhead. I assume the Rough Riders result in something more points equivalent than the old box, which while a good deal, was still incredibly low compared to other boxes.

I think it's also a case of what plays well in combat patrol.
Don't get me wrong I love the old one (need to pick up another before it disappears) but it's very gun line, while what I've seen of combat patrol it plays much more around close range shooting and close combat (I mean 40K already does in general, but it seems to me Combat Patrol is the same but moreso). So I think in this case it's about giving an option that plays to those strengths.

Greenfield wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Eh, no, it made no sense at all. Cows, pigs, and the rest of even-toed ungulates are completely different biological order (one of the highest classification ranks just below a kingdom) than odd-toed ungulates like horses. In fact, said cow is more closely related to a whale than it is to a horse.

This is a bit of an exaggeration; the second part is accurate enough but a taxonomic order is a long way down from a kingdom. In between is phylum (vertebrates and invertebrates) and class (e.g. mammals).

And we can safely assume whatever the Death Riders of Krieg are sitting on are just alien lifeforms anyway, so none of this really matters.

Indeed. As the mnemonic I learnt in school goes:
Keep P**** Clean Or Forget Good S**
Kingdom Phylum, Class Order Genus Species

There was a cleaner one that I promptly forgot...

StudentOfEtherium wrote:and mounts should probably bigger than they previously were, anyway. even normal horses are big, and so mutant soldier horses being bigger is entirely reasonable

Big horses aren't great for combat, despite what Hollywood tells us. They look cool though!

Smaller horses are much more agile and able to manoeuvre in combat, they also need less feed on campaign. A good example would be PRE horses (purebred Spanish horses), one of the oldest formal breeds. They are short and stocky compared to modern warmblood sport horses, but they can turn on a dime. Being stocky, they still have plenty of strength.

Mongolian horses are similar, in fact they are so short they are typically in the height range that would be considered a pony (less than 15 hands) but get honorary horse status because they helped form the largest land empire in history.

I think it depends - combat has a call for horses of all kinds. From drafts to pull carts and waggons for supplies through to lighter faster breeds all the way to what we'd consider a warhorse which is heavier and chunkier and designed to carry an armoured warrior into battle.

By contrast I think the thing was GW old horses were very much designed as horses in proportions (rather than pony proportions) but were sized more like a pony and then had an armoured knight put on top. They just didn't look right.

Now granted a lot of things in fantasy don't look right even when they are actually realistic (take real warhammers being a LOT smaller than fantasy ones). So sometimes we have to accept that reality takes a side step to fantasy tropes.


I think the other thing is posing and style. Fast horses that can turn on a dime isn't something GW could model 20-30 years ago. At least outside of a special one-off resin sculpt; certainly not something rank and file or army boxed set style. So I do also think that comes into play is in showing how agile a horse could be on the battlefield within the model.

 Haighus wrote:

StudentOfEtherium wrote:and mounts should probably bigger than they previously were, anyway. even normal horses are big, and so mutant soldier horses being bigger is entirely reasonable

Big horses aren't great for combat, despite what Hollywood tells us. They look cool though!

Smaller horses are much more agile and able to manoeuvre in combat, they also need less feed on campaign. A good example would be PRE horses (purebred Spanish horses), one of the oldest formal breeds. They are short and stocky compared to modern warmblood sport horses, but they can turn on a dime. Being stocky, they still have plenty of strength.

Mongolian horses are similar, in fact they are so short they are typically in the height range that would be considered a pony (less than 15 hands) but get honorary horse status because they helped form the largest land empire in history.

see, that's fair, but swords that are chainsaws are also not especially practical in real combat, so i'm a bit ambivalent towards real world practicality when it comes to 40k. guys riding horses is cool, and that's what i care about here

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


see, that's fair, but swords that are chainsaws are also not especially practical in real combat, so i'm a bit ambivalent towards real world practicality when it comes to 40k. guys riding horses is cool, and that's what i care about here

I love the fact that Knights in 40k, are jousting Ladies and Lords in giant bipedal steeds swingong obscenely heroic chainswords, while their mighty feet churn the terrain and any tools who get into their way into an unrecognizable mess as they charge headlong into the fray!

That's 40k. Every battle should be an epic battle. A story to be shared with friends on how a lone Neophyte stood toe to hoof with a vile xenos gun line, and struck them done in a vicious melee!

As long as the models look the part for your 40k story, I think that's what matters.

 blockade23 wrote:

According to Auspex Tactics this is apperently the new AM Combat Patrol:

Spoiler:

Slightly worse discount compared to the old one at 31% compared to 35% and probably a worse selection of models to start with for most people (Not a single basic infantry squad?)

Does also mean the Krieg army set contents won't just be the CP contents so no reason to wait if you want the contents on a discount

Personal opinion here - disregarding the lower level of price per model, etc etc. This box seems more aimed at veteran collectors who haven't pulled the trigger on some of the newer minis. I get a new Cadian Command sprue (really just tons of kitbashing potential there if I don't already have one), ten rough riders (Which a vet may have, if older or their own kitbashed) and some of the newer kasrkin (which were insane to find at one point and I likely have older versions already).

A new collector wouldn't know what to do with this box. A vet has these guys already slotted into critical spaces if needed (Heavy on the "IF")

I was going to say, that box looks great to me.
I have effectively 2 Cadian armies already - original metal & then 3e+ era plastics/metals. And a full 3 squads of metal Attillans. Were I to start a modern 9e+ Cadian force I'd pick up this box x3. It'd complete my new Rider & new Karskins + some command squads in one go. And save me some $ as well....
But alas, Krieg has laid claim to the 2025 hobby budget.

And I think you're wrong about new players. If this is what they get? Then they'll figure out how to use it pretty quick.

More Emperor’s Children teases

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vdkbkekh/the-ecstatic-epistle-heads-and-helmets-fit-for-hedonites/?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaa-iPFsgPHzR_uJaZ4k-BV5M2OGou6C9qb0RQC0jnMyU9ru_uThjuvm-O8_aem_RedB_DIlIHZyrI4r4Oup6w



Encouragingly classic to my eyes.

love the one in the middle especially. very promising

I wonder if thats what the Red Gobbo is hinting at.

Snake= Fulgrim

Chaos Star

Purple paint

 GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if thats what the Red Gobbo is hinting at.

It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma!

Very "blow-up doll" face. Appropriate!

They've been eating well.

I think the model heads look pretty good.

Still waiting for the ultimate unveiling of the Noise Marines.

Oh feth yes, these all look fantastic. And I love we only had to wait two weeks between teasers. More please. Mooooore.

I am astounded that they somehow managed to give a helmet eyelashes Never been much of a slaanesh fan but I do love me some emps children lol.

The last Emperor's Children tease was two weeks ago. Looking ahead, might we expect another tease in two weeks on Dec. 11? And what might we get for Christmas on Dec. 25???

 Zhrukal wrote:
The last Emperor's Children tease was two weeks ago. Looking ahead, might we expect another tease in two weeks on Dec. 11? And what might we get for Christmas on Dec. 25???

Coal.

 Zhrukal wrote:
The last Emperor's Children tease was two weeks ago. Looking ahead, might we expect another tease in two weeks on Dec. 11? And what might we get for Christmas on Dec. 25???

Your stocking will be stuffed.

I don't know why people always come and say 'EM paintjob is trash, I like it more then ultra gritty, realistic jobs from others. I don't know why but somehow, to me, the reallistic approach goes so hard on the reallistic approach that it starts to look like an imitation of "real".

I don't know if I made sense.

Leggy wrote:
Saw this rumour on discord about the upcoming Balance Dataslate, codexes and detachments.
Can anyone trace it back to its source?

Codices

 CMLR wrote:
I don't know why people always come and say 'EM paintjob is trash, I like it more then ultra gritty, realistic jobs from others. I don't know why but somehow, to me, the reallistic approach goes so hard on the reallistic approach that it starts to look like an imitation of "real".

I don't know if I made sense.

Leggy wrote:
Saw this rumour on discord about the upcoming Balance Dataslate, codexes and detachments.
Can anyone trace it back to its source?

Codices

Good luck getting that correction to stick.