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chaos0xomega wrote:
Im so gratful that the reading comprehension abilitity of the average dakkite is higher than that of the average redditor. My reddit feed is filled with folks who either cant read or didnt read and think that the Thanatar is being previewed at LVO and that its coming to 40k because there isnt a HH icon on the LVO preview slate. Pleasantly surprised to see you guys actually understood the message.

Me am smart. Ow! Fire taste bad!

Honestly didn't even need to read anything. We know that GW segregates their games heavily; we know that the Thanatar already has one weapon build for 30K and the next was pulled from resin production so likely to appear and its profile image is very distinct.

Anyone thinking its coming to 40K is dreaming - nice dreams to be sure but not ones that are likely to happen outside of using it as a conversion/proxy

180 euros for the Krieg box?

Aand I'm back on the fence

Doesnt sound like too much savings this time round.. is it the LE codex that's so darn expensive?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im so gratful that the reading comprehension abilitity of the average dakkite is higher than that of the average redditor. My reddit feed is filled with folks who either cant read or didnt read and think that the Thanatar is being previewed at LVO and that its coming to 40k because there isnt a HH icon on the LVO preview slate. Pleasantly surprised to see you guys actually understood the message.

I'll be slightly generous to Reddit and say that the article definitely could have been clearer, but they should have been able to parse it.

 tauist wrote:
180 euros for the Krieg box?

Aand I'm back on the fence

Doesnt sound like too much savings this time round.. is it the LE codex that's so darn expensive?

The LE are normally somewhere around 2X the price of the regular codex.
Plus cavalry are normally good £5-10 more than infantry and there's two cavalry boxes in the set

Plus a named cav character

So basically in USD the Krieg box is going to be about $200? Considering it's got 2 boxes of cavalry in it (Rough Riders are like $65/kit), that's already most of the cost. The artillery piece has to be at least 50 bucks, and the character will probably be $40+. Plus the 5-man engineer squad that GW will probably want at least 50 for. Add in 50 for the book and you're looking at basically $320 for the components. $200 seems like a pretty good deal (for GW anyways), if you want everything that's in there. Maybe I'm cynically overpricing a few of the components, but even still it's a solid buy.

 Matrindur wrote:
Prices for this week:
Krieg army set is the same price as the Blood Angels one

What's €245 in £ under GW conversion rates?

Look up the price of the gondor box, itll prolly be about that. Iirc £170-180

 ZergSmasher wrote:
So basically in USD the Krieg box is going to be about $200? Considering it's got 2 boxes of cavalry in it (Rough Riders are like $65/kit), that's already most of the cost. The artillery piece has to be at least 50 bucks, and the character will probably be $40+. Plus the 5-man engineer squad that GW will probably want at least 50 for. Add in 50 for the book and you're looking at basically $320 for the components. $200 seems like a pretty good deal (for GW anyways), if you want everything that's in there. Maybe I'm cynically overpricing a few of the components, but even still it's a solid buy.

The only thing I'd consider overpriced is the limited edition codex. They've never had good value for money considering most of the time they are a ribbon bookmark and different cover (sometimes just the same cover without the logo text which possibly means they are actually cheaper to make than regular codex). That said in general most "book and model" boxed sets the price of the box normally has the book being totally free.

So if you want all the models they are normally good solid value and probably the only time I'd ever end up owning a limited edition codex if I got one.

Can't wait to see Lucius (and hopefully friends). That silhouette looks like a hell of a glow-up

 Tastyfish wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
The first silhouette in the LVO preview pick looks like it could be a new grotesque, but that doesn't really fit the release schedule, so maybe it's an EC unit with chem injectors?

It's Lucius the Eternal

Yep. Saw it from a different angle and that made it pretty clear that it's Lucius- I knew the grotesque was a long shot with DE not even on the map yet.

Would have liked to see a grotesque, but Lucius is cool too.

And, of course, there's no guarantee that the Lucius silhouette relates to the LVO at all.

They showed off Fulgrim, so even if they don't do a full EC reveal, Lucius showing up would make sense. There isn't too much for 40k to show off otherwise- model for Knights? Next few codices? We already know the full kreig and Eldar ranges

 Dysartes wrote:
And, of course, there's no guarantee that the Lucius silhouette relates to the LVO at all.

That'd be pretty cheeky after this, even by GW standards

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
And, of course, there's no guarantee that the Lucius silhouette relates to the LVO at all.

That'd be pretty cheeky after this, even by GW standards

Very cheeky indeed

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/e3vcso57/field-dedicated-command-infantry-and-heavy-weapons-squads-for-the-three-biggest-astra-militarum-regiments/

generic infantry and heavy weapon datasheets are dead

The generic Platoon Command Squad and Platoon Infantry Squad datasheets have been removed – but there’s nothing to stop you from using one of the three archetypes for your own infantry. Do your Mordians have more in common with Cadia or with Krieg?

Oh for crying out loud.

10th is such a mess ruleswise. Getting rid of stratagems didn't mean "give every single unit bespoke special rules, even if they are Guardsmen wearing different hats." It's as bad as 9th ed.

 The Phazer wrote:
Oh for crying out loud.

10th is such a mess ruleswise. Getting rid of stratagems didn't mean "give every single unit bespoke special rules, even if they are Guardsmen wearing different hats." It's as bad as 9th ed.

idk, i don't mind this. the individual units already had their own datasheets since the 9th edition codex, so this isn't even a 10th edition problem

Depends on some of the details.

Its worth noting that it probably means the end of heavy weapons inside infantry squads, since the 'generic' infantry squad was the only one that could do that.

None of the command squads kits are packaged with them either, so they'll almost certainly lose the ability to take them.

It also elevates some of the other weirdness- catachan sergeants can't have real weapons, and the only special weapons are flamers, cadian sergeants can have rifles (drum fed autoguns), krieg sergeants are the only ones that can have power weapons (which was previously an option for 'generic' infantry squads).

 The Phazer wrote:
Oh for crying out loud.

10th is such a mess ruleswise. Getting rid of stratagems didn't mean "give every single unit bespoke special rules, even if they are Guardsmen wearing different hats." It's as bad as 9th ed.

I miss the days when a guy with a gun was just a guy with a gun.
As opposed to now where the guy with a gun has a rule that allows him to reroll things, which is different from this other guy with a gun's special rule that allows him to reroll things.

What's funny is when a special rule is something like "gains a +1 to save rolls" and there's nothing in the game to stop that ability happening. So the special ability is just changing the units base save from +5 to +4.

But yeah clearly someone in marketing noted that "customers like units with special rules and flavour" and thus mandated that EVERYTHING must have special rules.


It's like working out that people like chocolate cake and deciding that every course in a 3 course meal should be chocolate cake.

Voss wrote:
Depends on some of the details.

Its worth noting that it probably means the end of heavy weapons inside infantry squads, since the 'generic' infantry squad was the only one that could do that.

None of the command squads kits are packaged with them either, so they'll almost certainly lose the ability to take them.

It also elevates some of the other weirdness- catachan sergeants can't have real weapons, and the only special weapons are flamers, cadian sergeants can have rifles (drum fed autoguns), krieg sergeants are the only ones that can have power weapons (which was previously an option for 'generic' infantry squads).

Wow, this is depressing for my army. I haven't played since maybe 8th but now I feel even less inclined to play the current game.

Voss wrote:
Depends on some of the details.

Its worth noting that it probably means the end of heavy weapons inside infantry squads, since the 'generic' infantry squad was the only one that could do that.

None of the command squads kits are packaged with them either, so they'll almost certainly lose the ability to take them.

It also elevates some of the other weirdness- catachan sergeants can't have real weapons, and the only special weapons are flamers, cadian sergeants can have rifles (drum fed autoguns), krieg sergeants are the only ones that can have power weapons (which was previously an option for 'generic' infantry squads).

Oof. I hadn't even considered the command squads nonsense, and I was already annoyed. I genuinely cannot fathom how GW benefits from these weird changes. Isn't it better for them if we need to buy a heavy weapon and the infantry box? Why take that away?

GW's seems to have a thing about 'out of the box makes the whole unit'

Which is why special weapons are a mess (2 for 10 models, but they can't be the same*, and also krieg can take a plasma gun separately from their '2' but have to swap it for a vox-caster, because... assembly instructions).

Cadians on the other hand, can take plasma guns as a normal option, but can't have sniper rifles at all.

*except catchans, who are 1 flamer (only) for 5 models.


Of course, all of that means jack and squat if you're subbing in Mordians, Valhallans or Solar Aux for one of the 'Named Three'

I don't like that they're encouraging you to run the same identical minis as 3 sets of rules 3 times, that can't possibly be confusing right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, your IG army is now either Cadian, Catachan, or Krieg?

If you play something else (say Vostroyan), who have to decide which of those armies fits your force the best?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, your IG army is now either Cadian, Catachan, or Krieg?

If you play something else (say Vostroyan), who have to decide which of those armies fits your force the best?

You.

Insofar as i can tell though none of the units are keyworded though? Ie, nothing stopping you pr giving you reason tp not say that your vostroyans are best represented by cadian command squads leading dkok infantry squads supported by catachan heavy weapons, etc. Unlike previous editions where strats and special rules were all tied to specific cadia/catachan/krieg keywords, it doesnt look like those limitations apply here?

Goin’ back to third/fourth ed. when the metal Cadian/Catachan/Mordian models landed. Then people wanted more flexibility and the first trait systems emerged.
The cycle begins anew!