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Chalnath Dispatches part two https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/26/chalnath-dispatches-blade-in-the-dark/

our honoured auxiliaries

so we're definitely getting vespids

Hell yes. Bring on the new Kill Team box.

Not sure why the continued insistence on this being Vespids for Kill Team?

Until definitively proven, rumors are rumors. We know Chalnath has Kroot, Gue'vesa and Fire Caste explicitly called out as being in operation there for the Tau.

We also know this kind of 'teaser' element lines up more with significant releases than it does with KT.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not sure why the continued insistence on this being Vespids for Kill Team?

Until definitively proven, rumors are rumors. We know Chalnath has Kroot, Gue'vesa and Fire Caste explicitly called out as being in operation there for the Tau.

We also know this kind of 'teaser' element lines up more with significant releases than it does with KT.

Because the game is quiet atm, Chalnath is quiet atm and like it or not, popular rumour mongers are saying it will be.

Kroot got new models very recently and unless I'm mistaken Vespids are still in the T'au Codex.

Honestly, it almost feels like Chalnath will be the next big fight with SM/IA /DW vs Tau vs GSC as hinted before; 5th expansion and all.

I really liked the idea of Vespid when Tau were first released, and the idea of the controller helmet was suitably grimdark, but the models never really did it for me. If they get a decent glow up I could go for a box for old times sake.

 aracersss wrote:
Honestly, it almost feels like Chalnath will be the next big fight with SM/IA /DW vs Tau vs GSC as hinted before; 5th expansion and all.

Yep!

That's why I'm so questioning of the whole Scions v Vespid thing for Kill Team. It feels...regressive, maybe?

They seem to want the setting to be independent of 40k proper. It feels like we're going to see Chalnath expanded upon. We know the players:
-Tau
-Orks
-Genestealer Cults
-Death Guard
-Imperium

Update from VALRAK.

Late August / Early September

He's saying the current rumor of the BA box set is:

Astorath new model (with wings)
Lemartes new model
10 Assault Intercessors
10 Jump Pack Assault Intercessors
Brutalis Dreadnought
Limited Edition Codex
BA Upgrade sprue (he doesn't say if it's 1x or 2x)

Outside of the box, a new Sanguinor model, just updated and a new Sanguinary Guard models without wings.



Not sure I like the sound of wingless SG.

would be weird for the iconic blood angels unit to not longer be an angel

I wonder if they are just made up with parts from the accessory sprue - replacing the grav vanes with angel wing versions.

Good value box if that's the contents. One way to add to the Deathwatch....

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not sure why the continued insistence on this being Vespids for Kill Team?

Until definitively proven, rumors are rumors. We know Chalnath has Kroot, Gue'vesa and Fire Caste explicitly called out as being in operation there for the Tau.

We also know this kind of 'teaser' element lines up more with significant releases than it does with KT.

The story all be screams out "Tau Allies in Kill Team incoming". They've already done Kroot, so it must be either Vespids or something entirely new. The safe bet is on them replacing the Online Only Resin Vespid Stingwing kit with a new Kill Team kit.

StudentOfEtherium wrote:would be weird for the iconic blood angels unit to not longer be an angel

Ah, I see your expectations have been appropriately set by the Primarishing of things so far.

aracersss wrote:Honestly, it almost feels like Chalnath will be the next big fight with SM/IA /DW vs Tau vs GSC as hinted before; 5th expansion and all.

As long as it ends up with GS-infected Ethereals heading back to Tau colonies, I'm all for it.

 alextroy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not sure why the continued insistence on this being Vespids for Kill Team?

Until definitively proven, rumors are rumors. We know Chalnath has Kroot, Gue'vesa and Fire Caste explicitly called out as being in operation there for the Tau.

We also know this kind of 'teaser' element lines up more with significant releases than it does with KT.

The story all be screams out "Tau Allies in Kill Team incoming". They've already done Kroot, so it must be either Vespids or something entirely new. The safe bet is on them replacing the Online Only Resin Vespid Stingwing kit with a new Kill Team kit.

The Kill Team bit is basically confirmed as of now. They reposted some of their stuff on social media with "#KillTeam" since I'd posted.

I really just can't see Vespid. They've shied away from anything with super movement and Shadowsun's commenta about the "honoured auxiliaries" just doesn't vibe.

Surely you honour all the auxiliaries Kan? All those that do their part for the Tau'va are worthy of respect.

As for any Kill Team 'Season of Flyers' theme for the sets, that I'll agree does seem strange but for the rumours to nail the factions and the name of the planet makes them pretty compelling.

There's a few reason I could see though;

Firstly, until Bheta Decima we already had a full flying team with the Harlequins and at the time it didn't seem completely broken...

Secondly, that the total number of teams is getting a little unwieldy and this is a way of hard or softlocking which teams are in this season. The spires of the hive are a strange environment so you'd better bring a team that can cope with this with climbing gear or some innate bonus on this sort of ground. Whether that means we're in for Swooping Hawks vs Jump pack assault marines and Deldar Beastmasters/Helions vs Stormboyz who knows...(and who's left, Gargoyles and Shrikes vs Chaos Furies?)

Finally, something about the terrain means there are bonuses and penalties for flying - high winds, walls, obstacles and drops as risks for those that chose to fly last turn. Or the flying teams have some 'bulky' rule that hampers them in more close in areas and the map this time is a mix of chasms, small rooms and open areas.


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Surely you honour all the auxiliaries Kan? All those that do their part for the Tau'va are worthy of respect.

As for any Kill Team 'Season of Flyers' theme for the sets, that I'll agree does seem strange but for the rumours to nail the factions and the name of the planet makes them pretty compelling.

There's a few reason I could see though;

Firstly, until Bheta Decima we already had a full flying team with the Harlequins and at the time it didn't seem completely broken...

Secondly, that the total number of teams is getting a little unwieldy and this is a way of hard or softlocking which teams are in this season. The spires of the hive are a strange environment so you'd better bring a team that can cope with this with climbing gear or some innate bonus on this sort of ground. Whether that means we're in for Swooping Hawks vs Jump pack assault marines and Deldar Beastmasters/Helions vs Stormboyz who knows...(and who's left, Gargoyles and Shrikes vs Chaos Furies?)

Finally, something about the terrain means there are bonuses and penalties for flying - high winds, walls, obstacles and drops as risks for those that chose to fly last turn. Or the flying teams have some 'bulky' rule that hampers them in more close in areas and the map this time is a mix of chasms, small rooms and open areas.

 Tastyfish wrote:
Surely you honour all the auxiliaries Kan? All those that do their part for the Tau'va are worthy of respect.

The only thing anything involved with the Tau are worthy of is extermination.

And, in the case of the models, recycling the raw materials.

With KT being one of the "deep cuts" games, a T'au human auxiliaries kit wouldn't seem out of the question.

twoseventwo wrote:
With KT being one of the "deep cuts" games, a T'au human auxiliaries kit wouldn't seem out of the question.

Gue'vesa are possible (they've had rules before) but I think Vespids are more likely. Funnily enough humans are probably the second or first most common species in the Tau empire now they annexed hive worlds.

 Dysartes wrote:

aracersss wrote:Honestly, it almost feels like Chalnath will be the next big fight with SM/IA /DW vs Tau vs GSC as hinted before; 5th expansion and all.

As long as it ends up with GS-infected Ethereals heading back to Tau colonies, I'm all for it.

would kill for T'au genestealers. stealing from IG's armory is plenty fun already, but genestealers in battlesuits, especially if they have custom three-armed battlesuits, would be incredible

 Haighus wrote:

twoseventwo wrote:
With KT being one of the "deep cuts" games, a T'au human auxiliaries kit wouldn't seem out of the question.

Gue'vesa are possible (they've had rules before) but I think Vespids are more likely. Funnily enough humans are probably the second or first most common species in the Tau empire now they annexed hive worlds.

i think, after vespids, T'au are going to have enough kill teams for a while, but i would definitely want them to return to this down the road

Seriously, GW is just leaving a crap-ton of money on the table by not making Chaos and T'au upgrade sprues for basic Guardsmen.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Seriously, GW is just leaving a crap-ton of money on the table by not making Chaos and T'au upgrade sprues for basic Guardsmen.

That implies they sell a "basic Guardsman" kit...which they don't.

Guard are the only army which don't have their basic troop choice(Infantry Squad) available as a single box.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Seriously, GW is just leaving a crap-ton of money on the table by not making Chaos and T'au upgrade sprues for basic Guardsmen.

That implies they sell a "basic Guardsman" kit...which they don't.

Guard are the only army which don't have their basic troop choice(Infantry Squad) available as a single box.

And still GW make different upgrade kits for guard already, so perhaps its not as big problem as one might think.

 Fayric wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Seriously, GW is just leaving a crap-ton of money on the table by not making Chaos and T'au upgrade sprues for basic Guardsmen.

That implies they sell a "basic Guardsman" kit...which they don't.

Guard are the only army which don't have their basic troop choice(Infantry Squad) available as a single box.

And still GW make different upgrade kits for guard already, so perhaps its not as big problem as one might think.

They make two.

Two upgrade kits. One is for Cadian Shock Troops, explicitly, and the other is another uninspired Brood Brothers upgrade frame "intended" just to work with a Cadian kit while they billed Brood Brothers as getting a big modeling section in the GSC book.

Additionally, a good chunk of what is on the BB upgrade frame? It's stuff that SHOULD have been in the Cadian kit anyways. Why they left off sniper rifles, again, I will never know.

So that's two upgrade sprues...

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not real.

 Gert wrote:
So that's two upgrade sprues...

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not real.

Implying that it's two sets "for Guard" doesn't make it real either, Gert.


Especially since a good chunk of the Brood Brothers KT stuff can't even be used in regular 40k. Guard currently don't get shotguns outside of Straken and Preachers, for example.

It's an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit to represent an alternative aesthetic, Brood Brothers.

There is the Cadian upgrade sprue as well to add more character to models.

Doing the same for other Regiments or Gue'vesa is not a farfetched idea.

And as far as I can tell, the only parts of the Brood Brothers sprue that wouldn't work across the 40k Guard range is the dude with two knives. Everything else is seems pretty usable to me. Unless of course you mean it doesn't have an exact 1/1 translation for Iconwards in Brood Brothers squads which is being rather pedantic IMO.

 Gert wrote:
It's an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit to represent an alternative aesthetic, Brood Brothers.

It's an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit to create a Kill Team.

Brood Brothers aren't a unique datasheet and there is no loadout that matches their special upgrades.

There is the Cadian upgrade sprue as well to add more character to models.

Which also is ignored for the actual Cadian & Infantry Squad setups, because it allows for a Sergeant with Lasgun.

There's a reason why I laugh at the idea of NMNR being such a huge driver for things. Guard has several instances of stuff literally in the kits(Scions+Kasrkin) that are ignored for rules, or in the case of Scions that you actively have to destroy in order to match the loadouts they tell you to make.

Doing the same for other Regiments or Gue'vesa is not a farfetched idea.

As usual though, you've missed the point:

Cadians might be a common aesthetic, but there is literally no single kit in the Guard range that builds the entirety of an Infantry Squad and its options. Death Korps are ironically the closest, only missing heavy weapons in plastic.

This is the thing that I have said over and over and over and over and that you continually ignore or do not understand why I say it this way. It's frustrating to keep having to repeat it, and it genuinely makes me feel like you're trolling any time you try to paint it as me misrepresenting things.

And as far as I can tell, the only parts of the Brood Brothers sprue that wouldn't work across the 40k Guard range is the dude with two knives. Everything else is seems pretty usable to me. Unless of course you mean it doesn't have an exact 1/1 translation for Iconwards in Brood Brothers squads which is being rather pedantic IMO.

Twin knives, shotgunner, and demo charges can't be built as part of any unit.

Medic and Iconwards can be part of a Command Squad, with the Iconward being a good stand-in for a Regimental Standard.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, they should just start selling 2x3 upgrade blisters for every race like they do special flavor Marine armies. That way they don't need to waste space on main sprues, NMMR is less of an issue, and basic infantry boxes aren't super expensive for needing an extra sprue.A couple heads, a handful of weapons and a couple pieces of wargear go a long way.