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 Shakalooloo wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
So the WarCom article says the GSC Battleforce has one Goliath, but the picture has two?
Presuming it’s two as normally the pictures are right.

How much is a Battleforce giong for, always same price like how a Combat Patrol is always £95?

With the price increase upcoming, Battleforce prices are up in the air for the moment.

The two CSM ones already went up a bit compared to the ones before so that might be the new price. It would also fit the increased price of the contents for the GSC and SoB boxes to reach to usual discount %

£140-150 then perhaps.
Not too bad.
Though is the GSC one just one vehicle, or two.. that would make a difference on the cost..

Danny76 wrote:
£140-150 then perhaps.
Not too bad.
Though is the GSC one just one vehicle, or two.. that would make a difference on the cost..

For sure two Goliath, its easy to make a mistake in the text but way harder to mess up the boxart. Also the discount wouldn't make sense otherwise.
For € we are at 260,25€ for the SoB contents and 282€ for the GSC contents both after price increases. With the 180€ price from the CSM boxes that would be 31% and 36% respectively which is perfectly in line with the usual discount

EC index https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/21/download-index-emperors-children-and-unleash-a-catastrophic-cacophony/

technically playable, but i can't imagine anyone who doesn't already own at least 60 noise marines caring much about this

It amuses me to see that you can give them boltguns for the same cost as the sonic blasters and the sonic blasters are equal or better in all aspects to the boltgun.

And visually thematically if you were taking noise marines you'd also take the sonic weapons anyway.


I guess its because boltguns are in the core marine kit so technically they have to be there even if you've no reason to take them on noise marines at all.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
EC index https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/21/download-index-emperors-children-and-unleash-a-catastrophic-cacophony/

I... don't get it. I understand its a temporary get-you-by add-on. But why demand Lucius?

Just keep the 'must be Slaanesh' bit and call it a day. Aside from adding back the Heretic Astartes keyword, and gating the gods, there's almost nothing here.

It feels like it was done backwards- these temporary datasheets should just have the HA keyword, and you use the codex as normal except you always have to pick Slaanesh. 'Emperor's Children' as a keyword doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

Gw pushes named heroes hard.

It's just another step from all but required. When fulgrim gets around that's the thing on every ec army.

Wouldn't surprise me see more of named characters required for det's.

40k turning into named heroes fighting each other year by year.

because herohammer has never been a thing before. also they're definitely not going to require characters more than they already do

they didn't want to change the datasheets at all and as a result they feel weird. simple as that

That was laughable. I really don’t see the point of this separate entry

Because at some point GW are going to do them as a full army like they have the other chaos aspect legions. Doing this now means that people stop wondering if it will happen or arguing that it might not.

Sure its unlikely to convert many new players, but those who have a few might well be bolstered enough to stay in the game and wait it out until they get their codex and slew of new models.


I'm guessing the hero demand is part of trying to theme the army around something other than just noise marines and give it some focus. Since you've only 2 models anyway - hero and noise marines - so its not a huge imposition to have one hero mandated.

They didn't want to include them in the codex but didn't want to remove them from the game either since we will almost certainly see them get a line relatively soon. It's just entirely about separating them from CSM's army roster right now.

 LunarSol wrote:
They didn't want to include them in the codex but didn't want to remove them from the game either since we will almost certainly see them get a line relatively soon. It's just entirely about separating them from CSM's army roster right now.

But CSM armies can still take Noise Marines/Berzerkers/Plagues/Rubrics, correct?

Is it basically a way to ensure that (say) Black Legion players who want to take Noise Marines have to buy the EC codex when it comes out? That's essentially what it's amounted to for the other cult legions, right?

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
They didn't want to include them in the codex but didn't want to remove them from the game either since we will almost certainly see them get a line relatively soon. It's just entirely about separating them from CSM's army roster right now.

But CSM armies can still take Noise Marines/Berzerkers/Plagues/Rubrics, correct?

Is it basically a way to ensure that (say) Black Legion players who want to take Noise Marines have to buy the EC codex when it comes out? That's essentially what it's amounted to for the other cult legions, right?

Basically. It's similar to the Forgeworld Indexes. These things are playable, but they're not in the main book, so they're not really being sold to people as part of the army's identity right now. People can legally take them, but its now pretty clear that they're not a future proof choice.

 LunarSol wrote:
They didn't want to include them in the codex but didn't want to remove them from the game either

The writers are scared to kill off Lucius because they know what happens next

 xttz wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
They didn't want to include them in the codex but didn't want to remove them from the game either

The writers are scared to kill off Lucius because they know what happens next

Maybe they’re actually hoping that if they keep him around in the background long enough he’ll get a new mini that doesn’t look like arse.

These rules are the exact rules from the index, and the only reason they are not in the codex is when (we all know its when) their new codex comes out GW now does not have to make any errata to the CSM codex, just eliminate the EC index. This is perfectly fine.

I can't wait until their codex, might be the first new army I am starting in many years.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
technically playable, but i can't imagine anyone who doesn't already own at least 60 noise marines caring much about this

I don't have any Noise Marines. But I do have an idea for an EC army that's been floating around in my head for a bit now (since around late 9e)....
All I need is to see the actual Codex - because I'm not moving forward without knowing all the unit options.

Also don't forget an actual EC codex is likely going to come with several totally new models/units to use alongside heroes/leaders

 Overread wrote:
Also don't forget an actual EC codex is likely going to come with several totally new models/units to use alongside heroes/leaders

If you're lucky you'll retain one ugly model with the official entry as a headswap and then inexplicably lose chaos lords. Then get a mounted character with no mounted units to join.

See, THIS counts as low-effort. They couldn't bother to make some kind of army rule or detachment to go with it? Just, "Here's your two whole datasheets so you can pretend to be CSM for now"?

 xttz wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
They didn't want to include them in the codex but didn't want to remove them from the game either

The writers are scared to kill off Lucius because they know what happens next

Ha! Superb.

Out of curiosity.. When does GW usually announce what the Free Mini of the month is going to be?

mithril2098 wrote:
Out of curiosity.. When does GW usually announce what the Free Mini of the month is going to be?

Looks like the last few have been 29th April, , 1st April, 26th February, 29th January, 1st January...

So, roughly every four weeks?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
See, THIS counts as low-effort. They couldn't bother to make some kind of army rule or detachment to go with it? Just, "Here's your two whole datasheets so you can pretend to be CSM for now"?

Conceivably it's not about effort or bothering but going with the least damaging option.

The viable alternative to the index is legending Emperor's Children units (all two of them). That's as low as low effort goes, but isn't going to be popular. The index at least lets people who have issues with legends pretend that they're a fully supported army.

But I suspect GW deliberately wants to keep any incentive to start or expand an Emperor's Children army out of the index because they know that there will be precious little overlap between Codex Chaos Space Marines units and Codex Emperor's Children units. I don't remember the response to Thousand Sons much at all, but both when Death Guard and World Eaters dropped people were upset that they could no longer use their respective legion units based on the Chaos Marine codex. GW may just want to keep such disappointment down by making Emperor's Children technically playable until their own codex comes out, but not grow the number of potentially dissatisfied customers in the meantime by making anything about the index good perhaps even just by accident.

I am likely in the minority but I'm ok with the EC. I am fairly confident that an EC codex will be released late 10th or early 11th.

This allows me to keep using my EC models as they were built during 9th edition and carried over into 10th edition index. 4 Squads of Noise Marines are still WYSIWYG and completely usable. At least, until the EC codex gets released with new models.

It's definitely created as a way to support existing players while not encouraging new ones to minimize issues that come with being changed into a full army.

 LunarSol wrote:
It's definitely created as a way to support existing players while not encouraging new ones to minimize issues that come with being changed into a full army.

Support existing players to all buy Lucius before his new model is released...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
It's definitely created as a way to support existing players while not encouraging new ones to minimize issues that come with being changed into a full army.

Support existing players to all buy Lucius before his new model is released...

Not really. GW doesn't sell him anymore so the datasheet is really only for people that have him and I guess.... the odd LGS that can finally sell the one that fell behind a shelf a couple decades ago

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
It's definitely created as a way to support existing players while not encouraging new ones to minimize issues that come with being changed into a full army.

Support existing players to all buy Lucius before his new model is released...

That model is not on the US website.