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 Snord wrote:
I have to join the pile-on regarding Coteaz. What a dreadful model. He looks like he's wearing armoured diapers. The face lacks any character, and even the pose is lifeless. I suspect it's another trainee effort. This book looks like a very low-effort product all round - I guess they don't expect it to be popular.

Someone at B&C did some digital remodeling- adding a tabard like the original had really makes a hug difference- completely hides the over-emphasized codpiece and even minimizes the impact of oversized legs. A head swap is a no-brainer. They also converted him as an Arbites Marshall/ Judge in another pic and reattached the bird in another.

I won't defend the model- other than to say I like the Psyber-Eagle being separate, and being modeled in flight. I'm a narrative dude, and it will be nice to be able to give a Psyber Eagle to a generic Inquisitor as a Battle Honour.

But my reason for the post, and my response to you is that I actually think the book sounds great- they just don't have new units in it, which is more a modeling issue than a book issue.

Having Chambers militant behave like Chambers Militant again is freakin awesome. Having actual detachments for Agents is pretty awesome. Being able to include Chamber units as attached Agents to create mixed armies is also really amazing. And Crusade content for Agents is also awesome- especially for Inquisition armies. And because of the way rosters work in Crusade, it will be possible for Chamber units to take upgrades and perform Agendas from both their own dex and the Agents book... And I can't wait for that.

Anyway, don't let the modeling issues cloud your judgement of the dex- this will be the best version of Agents we've had in the post-7th ed era. There's a lot of fine details we don't have yet, but in broad strokes, the book looks pretty darn good.

I was there when OG Coteaz came out and plenty of people tried to make him into a Marine commander. It never worked. He was too short and sticking a marine helmet on him and a couple weapon arms make him look like one of those old Gary Morley possessed marines.

This guy will never be confused for a marine because GW would never let a model like this into the Marine range (prove me wrong, kids).

New Coteaz sucks. Dull overall, horrible face, ugly haircut, ugly armour, very artificial looking bird, no character whatsoever, poor 3d texture work. Looks cheap. He could belong to any generic space fantasy universe or mobile cashgrab game. Completely sterile looking mini.

This sculpt does a massive disservice to CAD miniature design. Dear sculptor, if you’re reading this, please don’t make the same mistakes.. or maybe there was a committee behind this abomination, which just left a husk of the former sculpt by scraping off any new and old design choices, that didn’t overlap with another person’s view.

Tbh I wouldn’t care as much, if it wasn’t a remake of a wonderful, albeit dated, miniature. But.. damn, can’t remember the last swing and miss that big.

The only silver lining - the ordo hereticus box- has the minis I like packed in one bundle, hopefully with a 30% discount.

Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

Hahah, turns out it was a gambit!

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

It's not really a removal though?

You're just not allowed to have your special rules AND the entire Space Marine Codex anymore.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

It's not really a removal though?

You're just not allowed to have your special rules AND the entire Space Marine Codex anymore.

No real idea what it will be but it seems pretty clear mixed Kill Teams are gone. If anything though it seems like you can have special rules AND whatever entire Imperium Codex you want. Not sure I follow. DW didn't really have special rules worth mentioning anyway.

I'm not actually salty about it mind you. I'd much rather have my Deathwatch easily swappable between whatever chapter I want to play it as and add some Kill Team Vets as allies. If the Ordo Xenos detachment is cool all the better, but I've very wait and see on that.

The mixed primaries kill teams were always just papering over cracks…. No official model kits dedicated to them, they were just a fudge it attempt by GW to make what should never have been made into a full army have some perceived options.

Whilst they were more lore friendly, the mixed units work better in RPG’s, novels, stand alone games and kill teams.

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

unless you're one of the 50 people who played DW, or an Agents fan like me, you don't really have a reason to care about that. DW is the nichest of the niche armies

Damn, Coteaz got done dirty af by GW. This is one of the worst models I've seen from GW since the original stormcast.

Speaking of which, he actually looks like a stormcast model that someone was working on, but abandoned because they changed to the new style. Then 4 years later GW was like "hey anyone got a wip cad model we can use for an inquisitor?" Slap on two =I= and throw in the psyber-eagle and bob's your uncle. Those inquisition symbols look added on after the fact, and it would also account for the eagle being separate.

At least the original stormcast were the originals with nothing to really compare them to. We know what Coteaz is supposed to look like.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

unless you're one of the 50 people who played DW, or an Agents fan like me, you don't really have a reason to care about that. DW is the nichest of the niche armies

Dozens of us! Dozens!

 LunarSol wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

unless you're one of the 50 people who played DW, or an Agents fan like me, you don't really have a reason to care about that. DW is the nichest of the niche armies

Dozens of us! Dozens!

funnily enough, this news actually has me more interested to pick up some veterans than i was before, now that i know i can toss them in my custodes army or something (they would mostly be used for kill team, which only feels right)

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Coteaz is doing a fine job of distracting people from the Death Watch removal though

unless you're one of the 50 people who played DW, or an Agents fan like me, you don't really have a reason to care about that. DW is the nichest of the niche armies

Dozens of us! Dozens!

funnily enough, this news actually has me more interested to pick up some veterans than i was before, now that i know i can toss them in my custodes army or something (they would mostly be used for kill team, which only feels right)

I just hope that they get rules for Blackshields, or at least a valid option of having two power weapons - since they still insist on showing off a Blackshield with two power swords.

As an Inquisition and Arbies collector what can I say but...

You son of a Chaos Spawn, I'm in!

GW should really fold Grey Knights into the Inquisition book and remove them as a full army like Death Watch. SoB has enough model like to stand on its own, and has been its own army for much longer, but the Ordo marines should be treated consistently.

I actually don't mind the Coteaz model ... It's bland, but an interesting take on non-Astartes power armour. I just don't much care for it as an update to Coteaz. If they had released it as an entirely different Inquisitor, it would be fine.

The bird is ok, but the heads should be angled perpendicular to the ground, rather than aligned with its body.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
This sculpt does a massive disservice to CAD miniature design. Dear sculptor, if you’re reading this, please don’t make the same mistakes.. or maybe there was a committee behind this abomination, which just left a husk of the former sculpt by scraping off any new and old design choices, that didn’t overlap with another person’s view.

I doubt there was just a single person involved but rather 1 designer taking the default templates made by different people from the database and combining them into a new model while rescaling the individual parts

3d sculpting or CAD design is not the problem here, but comining pre-made parts into a new model without understanding how those fit together

same difference as someone sculpting a model from scratch in greenstuff or just doing a kitbash with parts from the box that don't really fit together

 kodos wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
This sculpt does a massive disservice to CAD miniature design. Dear sculptor, if you’re reading this, please don’t make the same mistakes.. or maybe there was a committee behind this abomination, which just left a husk of the former sculpt by scraping off any new and old design choices, that didn’t overlap with another person’s view.

I doubt there was just a single person involved but rather 1 designer taking the default templates made by different people from the database and combining them into a new model while rescaling the individual parts

3d sculpting or CAD design is not the problem here, but comining pre-made parts into a new model without understanding how those fit together

same difference as someone sculpting a model from scratch in greenstuff or just doing a kitbash with parts from the box that don't really fit together

Dont think this ones fault but rather a team fail. Do we even know who actually sculpts and what in digital GW? Thats something long gone. Soon you will have Marketing self entitled "sculptors" combining Prompts in AI.

I do kind of like the new Coteaz model. It reminds of when you find older models of power armour in Fallout. This makes me think of the type of older armour an inquisitor would likely own - an unadorned, classic piece, not as refined as modern power armour.

 Twinoni wrote:
I do kind of like the new Coteaz model. It reminds of when you find older models of power armour in Fallout. This makes me think of the type of older armour an inquisitor would likely own - an unadorned, classic piece, not as refined as modern power armour.

He's wearing Artificer Armor.

The new sculpt is just horrible.

Power armour does not have to look as ugly and bulky on non augmented humans, as evidenced by every Sororita.

Inquisitors in models and artwork have always been depicted wearing some of the most detailed armor/equipment. Apart from being bland and with ugly proportions, the pose is boring and uninspired.

If GW just upscaled the old model to current mini heights it would have been a 11/10.

 a_typical_hero wrote:
... the pose is boring and uninspired.

I beg to differ on the boring part. He appears to be walking while simultaneously resting his hammer as if standing. If that isn't new and exciting, I don't know what is.

It does look as though he's using his hammer as a walking stick, and with the head down for added impact.
An absurdly horrible resculpt. Can't wait to see the price attached.

 Geifer wrote:

 a_typical_hero wrote:
... the pose is boring and uninspired.

I beg to differ on the boring part. He appears to be walking while simultaneously resting his hammer as if standing. If that isn't new and exciting, I don't know what is.

Hahaha yes quite. His torso is having a rest while his Elephant Legs™ catch up


Reminds me of Wallace and Gromit 'The Wrong Trousers' but at least they were cute

 Prometheum5 wrote:
GW should really fold Grey Knights into the Inquisition book and remove them as a full army like Death Watch. SoB has enough model like to stand on its own, and has been its own army for much longer, but the Ordo marines should be treated consistently.

This is incorrect. GK had their own independent army list in Realms of Chaos during the RT days. I don't personally think they're great as their own army, but they're the oldest by far, and its much too late to shove them back in the box.

Deathwatch are the ones GW has treated inconsistently, and that's entirely an own goal on GW's part. Part of it simply stems from the fact that they aren't really a stand-alone model range, and Sisters and GK definitely are.

Something potentially interesting https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/24/get-ready-to-explore-warhammer-40000-with-dk-books-expansive-guide/

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Something potentially interesting https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/24/get-ready-to-explore-warhammer-40000-with-dk-books-expansive-guide/

What is the Emperor's Children "New model"? Kitbash or spoiler?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Something potentially interesting https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/24/get-ready-to-explore-warhammer-40000-with-dk-books-expansive-guide/

What is the Emperor's Children "New model"? Kitbash or spoiler?

Just a paint job it has "9th edition" under it.

It's just a Chosen model, nothing new.