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It seems like a big buff for DE.

I think its an example of how 40k's rules tend towards extremes - but handing out a notionally simultaneous +1 to wound (from Lance) and +1 AP (from power from pain) feels like a massive swing.

I mean Incubi and Archon feels kind of silly - reroll all hits, all wounds, get +1 to wound and have AP-3 on 2 damage attacks. But tbh I'm not even sure you need the Archon. Its doubling the cost - you'd probably be better with another unit of 5 Incubi.

But even things like Wyches, which I think have been horribly pillowfisted - start to look kind of scary for the points.

There is admittedly the question of how many pain tokens you can really use in a turn - which probably speaks against a bazillion units all charging at once. But Index Dark Lance would seem to have found some significant melee teeth.

Weird to see the general positivity here when it seems Facebook is up in arms over the perceived inadequacy of the update

The main issue is definitely Necron/Admech codex immunity, though for wildly separate reasons. Unfortunately that looks like it may result in a repeat of 9ths codex honeymoon problem unless they’ve got plans to address it.

Being negative about it doesn’t really accomplish anything. It’s no worse than September at least.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Weird to see the general positivity here when it seems Facebook is up in arms over the perceived inadequacy of the update

If you think Facecbook is bad, don't go looking at the comments on Twitter in response to the WarCom tweet about the updates.

Definitely some salty AdMech players out there - I don't know how bad things are with that book, but no matter how bad a book is perceived to be, some of what was said was miles out of line.

So I guess people just expected something different and are now disappointed

 LunarSol wrote:
The main issue is definitely Necron/Admech codex immunity, though for wildly separate reasons. Unfortunately that looks like it may result in a repeat of 9ths codex honeymoon problem unless they’ve got plans to address it.

Being negative about it doesn’t really accomplish anything. It’s no worse than September at least.

Indeed. AdMech also don't seem as bad as I expected from a raw win rate POV. From Meta Monday's data they're at least doing better than guard who got nothing. Doesn't seem like a very fun codex to play though.

The reason for no changes to AdMech or Necrons is pretty clear. They received MFM points in December and then it would take another week or two before lists from those codexes would filter through to events. Then in January GW will have had a cut-off point for any game data before they started making decisions on changes, got those changes wrote up, formatted, and translated. Throw in the xmas holidays in-between and you barely have 2-3 weeks of viable game data for those two codexes to find issues and decide on changes.

While it's easy to say "Necrons need a nerf" or "AdMech need a buff", it's much harder to say what specific nerfs or buffs it would take on so little data. It's probably better to delay than make knee-jerk changes that need to be reverted in April.

 xttz wrote:
Indeed. AdMech also don't seem as bad as I expected from a raw win rate POV. From Meta Monday's data they're at least doing better than guard who got nothing. Doesn't seem like a very fun codex to play though.

I think Ad Mech salt is partly a feeling that "this is it."
Hence as you see online. Index drops-> wait for points. Points drop->wait for codex. Codex drops->waits for points again. Points drop, wait for... the next round of points/rules updates?
Its not impossible - but its unlikely they are going to get a major re-write so soon after the codex. They could be waiting till 11th.

I mean I could summon the DE mafia to go full salt. Power alone doesn't make the army intrinsically more interesting. But it is still "something" rather than nothing. I can have hope a codex will bring more even if its inevitably the first step on the road to disappointment.

With that said, I think there's an Ad Mech build focusing on either Skitarii or Rad Corps. But it requires you to own a rather specific set of very expensive models. If you have a grab-bag of units it doesn't feel good at all. (Especially when that grab-bag keeps getting cheaper, so you need more and more models to hit say 2k points.) Data-Psalm Conclave or Cohort Cybernetica feel like RP tier. I'm sure someone thought this was a fun fluffy idea, but mechanically it just doesn't cut it.

And even with the functional lists we are talking "scraping into okay", not Eldar Tier.

Tyel wrote:
It seems like a big buff for DE.

That's good to know.

I was inspired by the Rogue Trader PC game and started up a DE army by buying a discounted Boarding Patrol box and a Combat Patrol last week. Somewhat excited to get started in 10th with this army.

 nels1031 wrote:

Tyel wrote:
It seems like a big buff for DE.

That's good to know.

I was inspired by the Rogue Trader PC game and started up a DE army by buying a discounted Boarding Patrol box and a Combat Patrol last week. Somewhat excited to get started in 10th with this army.

Yeah, I can't wait to try out the new detachment. I tend to put my whole army into Raiders anyways, so a transport-heavy detachment looks like fun.

Few fun things me and my friends figured out from the update/clarifications

Trajann's, or any similar, ability lets him and his unit ignore enemy units ability to reduce Damage. I havent personally came across/played against Trajann so not sure if it was always played this way.

3 Rendmasters on Bloodthrones can stack their Blood Throne ability on an enemy unit giving any Khorne Deamons potentially an additional +3S, -3AP, and +3D.

Each unit of Scarab Swarms in melee reduces the OC by 1 to minimum of 1

All I really wanted for Ad Mech was to get something that works in No Mans Land. Or get the option for 20 man Skitarii units. 10 mans just feel bad. I think part of the issue was that Necron at least got an FAQ and Ad Mech didnt even get that for anything. Was also hoping Deathwatch Veterans got in on the Battleline point reduction and was sad they did not.

Imperial Knights can't use Overwatch still. Nugh said.

M.

I never am sure what to expect of the 40k dataslates, but I'm never really thrilled by them either. Seems to follow the standard practice:

* Tournament players taking "too much" (YMMV) of it in GTs? Increase the points and wait to see what next thing they spam, rinse and repeat

* Tournament players taking little/no of it in GTs? Reduce points and see if it's enough to start making them take it, rinse and repeat

And, rarely, actually change something (e.g. Custodes change is great, DE changes look good)

New Kroot Hounds:

Is the good money on a Kroot Hound character, or a Hound Rider character?

Sounds like a handler, to me.

Probably the unrevealed mounted character?

I definitely think it's the mounted character we saw the shadow of.

Yeah, a handler isn't necessarily going to be able to "keep up" with Hounds, in fact a handlers task is generally to keep the Hounds in check and stop them from running away. The implication to me seems more likely to be the mounted character - mind you the mounted character could still be a handler.

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Oh joy more Maureens. Can't we have a period without a release of them and instead fill in the gaps of many other armies.

Jaxmeister wrote:
Oh joy more Maureens. Can't we have a period without a release of them and instead fill in the gaps of many other armies.

This is stuff that is gap-filling for Marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Jaxmeister wrote:
Oh joy more Maureens. Can't we have a period without a release of them and instead fill in the gaps of many other armies.

This is stuff that is gap-filling for Marines.

Marines don't need it, though. Other armies could use it a hell of a lot more.

Your NPC factions only exist because of marines. You're welcome.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Jaxmeister wrote:
Oh joy more Maureens. Can't we have a period without a release of them and instead fill in the gaps of many other armies.

This is stuff that is gap-filling for Marines.

Marines don't need it, though. Other armies could use it a hell of a lot more.

I don't disagree that other armies could use NEW releases.

These ain't it though. This is just the other stuff from the Leviathan box and a single character.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
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Weird that they say "You also get to pick from two heads – helmeted and unhelmeted" for the captain when its two unhelmeted heads. one with muzzle, one with bionics.

Voss wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
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Weird that they say "You also get to pick from two heads – helmeted and unhelmeted" for the captain when its two unhelmeted heads. one with muzzle, one with bionics.

Hmm, yeah. I hope that's just slip up. The original reveal didn't specify the number of heads. Hopefully there's also a helmeted head in addition to the rebreather and bare option.

GW wrote:There’s also head options, and he has the choice of whether to wear a tabard to battle or not.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/nova-open-previews-space-marine-terminators-fire-up-the-teleport-homer-and-prepare-for-rapid-ingress/

Kroot Trail Shaper

Even before the battle begins, Trail Shapers can pull a fast one over their opponents by launching a Kroot Ambush. They, the unit they join, and a whole other Kroot unit melt into the background and reappear where they’re least expected – taking advantage of the Scouts 7” rule shared by almost all Kroot to pressure vulnerable troops away from their objectives.

I like this guy better than the other shapers they've shown.

Maybe it's because he's basically a classic shaper. No weird newfangled wargear.

Another awesome Kroot model!