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 Flinty wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Anyone know what the free GW store mini or coin are for next month ?

Fire dragon, Eldar and Gottek

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jaoqg3v6/heat-things-up-this-month-with-a-fire-dragon-and-two-coins/

Got a fire dragon today. In case anyone is wondering theyre back to single sprue, monopose minis. Not taking your pick from the whole kit like the striking scorpions

Bunch of updates gone up:

Warhammer 40,000 Balance Dataslate – Here’s what’s changed in the 41st Millennium

Quarterly Detachments – New rules for the T’au Empire, Orks and Adeptus Custodes

beast_gts wrote:
Bunch of updates gone up:

Warhammer 40,000 Balance Dataslate – Here’s what’s changed in the 41st Millennium

Quarterly Detachments – New rules for the T’au Empire, Orks and Adeptus Custodes

Not a fan of them increasing the cost of units just because they work well in one detachment as it means they become no longer worth their points in other detachments.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Bunch of updates gone up:

Warhammer 40,000 Balance Dataslate – Here’s what’s changed in the 41st Millennium

Quarterly Detachments – New rules for the T’au Empire, Orks and Adeptus Custodes

Not a fan of them increasing the cost of units just because they work well in one detachment as it means they become no longer worth their points in other detachments.

That is the effect of all detachments unfortunately. They're just being more honest in that example

Each detachment is designed to work well with half a dozen or so themed units and so that those units don't break the game they're given points appropriate to that detachment. A balanced codex is one in which as many of those detachment (and corresponding units) are equally good, providing both internal and external balance.

Index: Chaos Daemons – Updated datasheets and a new detachment

And so the hacksawing of the daemon roster truly begins

Seeker chariots and Hellflayers have moved to legends. So has Karanak (the three headed hound) - apparently as the models are no longer in production?

They're all in production and in plastic. Will probably stay as AoS specific units.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They're all in production and in plastic. Will probably stay as AoS specific units.

Just saying, the reason given for those units moving to legends is that they are now out of production. But yeah, I thought that was odd.
Were they particularly nightmarish kits to assemble (looking at you, original plastic landspeeder)? Wouldn't surprise me to find that a spindly plastic kit designed when it was to combo-up with multiple versions of itself wasn't the easiest thing to assemble.

Wonder if a more hedonites-themed replacement model is due to replace them.

So Karanak and the Seeker Chariots(which are still sold online only in the UK) are in legends while Epidemius and Blue Scribes(both of which don't even show up in the search results) are staying. Why?

There were rumour engines a while back that leant into Epidemius getting a new model. Presumably the blue scribes will as well, so new shinies get to stay.

So Blood Angels using one of their own formations just straight up lose Oath of Moment and have no army rule at all. Marvellous.

 Graphite wrote:
So Blood Angels using one of their own formations just straight up lose Oath of Moment and have no army rule at all. Marvellous.

They still can reroll hits, they just don't get the +1 to Wound that's intended to keep Codex Marines competitive against all the specialist chapters.

Jesus, daemons somehow lost quite a bit to legends and still got way stronger. The buffs to belakor and his new detachment combo super good with all the changes too.

Bloodletters that get scout 9" with an enhancement and advance+charge to go with their new 8" movement, and then a strat for lance that also gives +1AP? If you can get the charge off turn 1 that's amazing. And that's just one unit, nurgle as a whole with the GUO's +1T aura is disgusting.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
There were rumour engines a while back that leant into Epidemius getting a new model. Presumably the blue scribes will as well, so new shinies get to stay.

I remembered that too (the nurgle pages), but they ended up being part of the Warcry Grandfather's Gardeners group.

I do love the new daemon rules, especially when it comes to souping in CSM. But why was Karanak moved to Legends? That's a pretty new model. Both it and the Slaanesh chariots are temporarily out of stock, but so are a bunch of other daemon units and they fortunately stayed. Epidemius, who doesn't even have a model listed in the store, has rules. It's all so strange, and is yet another example of GW seemingly playing games with people's collections.

I could see GW redoing the seekers for AoS one day but would be shocked if they pulled them entirely from AoS as well without replacement.

Karnack is a bit more of a surprise as its not that old a model in the first place, but perhaps he's also going fantasy only. There's also a chance he might go "Old World Only" as some kind of demon addon to Slaves to Darkness.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
But why was Karanak moved to Legends? That's a pretty new model.

Yeah but he was like 50 in dog years.

The end of the article makes it sound like AOS will also lose these units when the next battletomes roll around:

Note that a handful of Datasheets have been removed from the Index and moved to Legends as the models are no longer in production.

Perhaps but if they are no longer in production they'd lose them faster than that. However it might be that their 40K boxes are being pulled not their AoS ones.

There's also the chance that GW are shunting them into Old World as some demon ally upgrade to Slaves to Darkness like they pulled Beastmen from AoS into Old World.

Do the daemon units have different 40K and AoS boxes? They're all in the dual system white boxes aren't they?

 Asmodai wrote:

 Graphite wrote:
So Blood Angels using one of their own formations just straight up lose Oath of Moment and have no army rule at all. Marvellous.

Ah, I misread something. Fair enough

I do not give a damn about rules or balances or the meta of the week,
but I am pretty tired to see them dump models I bought.
I will keep to the index and ignore all the rest.
To build the army. The rules themselves I could not care less.

So who's willing to jump on the grenade of investing into Daemons now that they're more powerful?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So who's willing to jump on the grenade of investing into Daemons now that they're more powerful?

The main change I saw (for my models) is +1 Toughness from GUO instead of 6+ FNP.
Which is situationally better, situationally worse.

I'm just happy my own armies didn't really catch much of a nerf. I hadn't really committed to a build with my Guard, so Bridgehead getting sent to the bone zone doesn't affect me as much as it would someone who had just bought a ton of Scions or something (supposedly someone going to Adepticon did just that and was understandably VERY salty since this change does make it under their rules cutoff). Dark Angels caught some indirect nerfs in that some of our shooting support went up a little (Ballistus Dreads, Vindicators, Preds), and anyone running Librarius will feel the increase to Fusillade. Nids came out basically neutral (big shooty bugs went up, Tyrants and Neurolictors came down). Votann literally didn't change if you run Oathband. And for me, Knights didn't change either since I don't currently own a Dominus (nor am I likely to get one anytime real soon).

I'm glad I didn't rush out and jump on the Custodes Solar Spearhead bandwagon. (Now I'd be sad and poor).

That being said, I need to go rework some points. I might need less models! Always a bonus.

Tastyfish wrote:Do the daemon units have different 40K and AoS boxes? They're all in the dual system white boxes aren't they?

Right now, many of them are being sold in AoS boxes, but with the 40k logo on the box as well.


In other news, the Chaos Lord model isn't to be found in the Death Guard section of the site anymore, though I don't know if the new model ever was. I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

 parakuribo wrote:
So Karanak and the Seeker Chariots(which are still sold online only in the UK) are in legends while Epidemius and Blue Scribes(both of which don't even show up in the search results) are staying. Why?

Because...


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mortar_crew wrote:
I do not give a damn about rules or balances or the meta of the week,
but I am pretty tired to see them dump models I bought.
I will keep to the index and ignore all the rest.
To build the army. The rules themselves I could not care less.

So why not just use the Legends entries??

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I really hope DG don't lose access to it.

Get with the programme. He's been out behind the woodshed for ages now.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So who's willing to jump on the grenade of investing into Daemons now that they're more powerful?

Well, wether or not Demons got more powerful is irrelevant to me. It's just a nice bonus.
After that?
1) I'm not Legends adverse. All Legends does is cause me to switch PDFs on occasion.
2)
*I've already long had everything Khorne one could ever field in 40k maxed out.... (I actually own more Juggernauts than I can use in Demons + WE combined)
*I've got about 1k pts of Tzeentch. Mostly for AoS, but they've been seen on some 40k tables. This will continue.
*I just finalized an order the other day that will give me a 2k pts worth of Nurgle Demons. It should arrive & be assembled + base-coated for next weeks game.
3)The new Shadow detachment has given me a few more ideas! Especially for my immanent Nurgle force - all I need to do is drop 1 group of Nurglings & replace it with 1 converted model and I'll have my next Crusade army.