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**Mr_Rose**

Nevelon wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s not the original Lemartes helmet.

Behold! The awkward pose! The Terminator Honour bigger than his head! The constant confusion between Crozius Arcanum and a Back Banner!

Don’t forget the wind blowing all the purity seals fully horizontal!

That mini was firmly panned when it came out. Best lost to time. I can’t think of anyone who had anything nice to say about it.

TBF the same wind is at least blowing the terminator honour dangle in the same direction (but less because it heavy, probably)… though it’s a very low level wind since it doesn’t seem to have touched the blood drop jewel on his bannerzius arcanum (I prefer the idea that he just got so mad he grabbed a random bit of debris and started swinging it).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Not to mention his scary Lisa Simpson hat.

A truly dreadful miniature.

**NH Gunsmith**

It was quite fun using him in 8th edition Index-hammer and in the 8th edition Codex.

The amount of Daemon Princes and Daemon Primarchs that little ugly model killed was pretty entertaining.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

It’s like an enthusiastic but ultimately incompetent cosplay kid.

**Tyel**

My view of the old (3rd ed?) Lemartes model does sort of speak to how nostalgia works.

Its not a good model to be sure. But it has a certain amount of character to its ugliness. (Although I've never been one to care for realistic dimensions in my miniatures.) By contrast the new Coteaz is also a bad model - but it just feels like a plastic characterless imposition.

The new model is okay. Marines do Marine things and not much for me. Then again maybe I should bring my Lamenters up to 1000 points...

**RaptorusRex**

Tyel wrote:
My view of the old (3rd ed?) Lemartes model does sort of speak to how nostalgia works.

Its not a good model to be sure. But it has a certain amount of character to its ugliness. (Although I've never been one to care for realistic dimensions in my miniatures.) By contrast the new Coteaz is also a bad model - but it just feels like a plastic characterless imposition.

The new model is okay. Marines do Marine things and not much for me. Then again maybe I should bring my Lamenters up to 1000 points...

I do agree old metal has a certain character. I study the 'old masters' of 3rd and 4th edition fairly often to inspire my own works. That said, as a 20-something Marine fan who started properly in 8th after being engaged with the art and ~~marketing~~ lore over my teenage years, I certainly enjoy the new Marines. While Coteaz feels characterless, I feel they've hit it out of the park with new Marines since the fumbling baby steps of 8th.

**Rzezbiarzbdg**

Do we know when/if GW would show new roadmap?
From rumors and offical teasers we know that next are:
- inquisition
- blood angels
- Astra militarum Krieg

any other hints?

**aracersss**

I have the odd feeling this gencon event reveal getting cancelled is making gw to push the reveal(s) on mondays

**YodhrinsForge**

StudentOfEtherium wrote:
YodhrinsForge wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
Kinda nice to see a grounded character with Lemartes. He could have been tip-toeing on a tactical rock.

Astorath get a free pass, as that’s basically just a modernization of his classic sculpt. Which is almost always a good thing.

(We could have had primaris wind tunnel Lemartes)

Honestly better Primaris sculpts like Lemartes are more annoying to me than the usual fare because at first what jumps out are the cool new details, and then my brain steps back and takes in the model as a whole and yep, it's still a Primaris. Hopefully the various STL makers are quick to rip off the new detailing for a proper Marine sculpt.

if the only thing that annoys you about it is the fact that it is labeled as primaris, and if you like the model, then what is the issue at that point?

It's not the name, it's that he's in MKX and I really dislike MKX. At first the eye is drawn to the cool banding, the helmet, the crozius etc, and then I think "man, those details would have been cool on a MK7 mini" and lose interest.

**cole1114**

God, I really don't like any of these blood angels. Death company just being a lazy upgrade sprue, both Astorath and Lemartes just feel boring and both have pretty glaring flaws. Astorath's horrible death mask, the ribbons being gone. Lemartes' ball gag and his pose feels like it goes against his character of restraining himself from the rage.

**artific3r**

Tough for new Lemartes to compete with what's possibly the greatest chaplain sculpt of all time. Dude looks positively regal.

**The Phazer**

Rzezbiarzbdg wrote:
Do we know when/if GW would show new roadmap?
From rumors and offical teasers we know that next are:
- inquisition
- blood angels
- Astra militarum Krieg

any other hints?

From Valrak, Krieg aren't until early next year, so there will presumably be some other books first.

We've seen quite a few hints from GW themselves about the Thousand Sons breaking out ancient Battle Automata, so they are probably next or there about. Votann after that perhaps? They've had several rumour engines and had a rumoured "wave 2".

We're running out of Codexes that aren't rumoured to be getting more than a single model at this point. They might sneak the Death Guard out before Christmas as I imagine that will just be a single new model, maybe the same with Dark Eldar? Eldar were rumoured to be getting quite a big refresh of the remaining Phoenix Lords and Aspect Warriors, World Eaters a wave 2, Emperors Children a new range, Space Wolves a new range, but we've not had many hints of any of them if they're coming pre-2025.

**Shadow Walker**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/01/imperial-agents-crusade-rules-take-on-shadow-operations-while-your-army-battles/

**lord_blackfang**

I'm dying, you pay for turning your model now

**Shakalooloo**

The Phazer wrote:
We've seen quite a few hints from GW themselves about the Thousand Sons breaking out ancient Battle Automata, so they are probably next or there about. Votann after that perhaps? They've had several rumour engines and had a rumoured "wave 2".

Next issue of WD has 'get you by' crusade rules for the Leagues of Votann, maybe a sign that they're a good way off from getting a full Codex?

**PenitentJake**

The Phazer wrote:

They might sneak the Death Guard out before Christmas as I imagine that will just be a single new model, maybe the same with Dark Eldar?

There haven't been rumours or anything, but changes to the datacards for Court of the Archon and Beasts suggest that those two units will be boxes moving forward. Groteques and Urien also make sense.

I'm hoping their release is more than a single model.

**BorderCountess**

PenitentJake wrote:
The Phazer wrote:

They might sneak the Death Guard out before Christmas as I imagine that will just be a single new model, maybe the same with Dark Eldar?

There haven't been rumours or anything, but changes to the datacards for Court of the Archon and Beasts suggest that those two units will be boxes moving forward. Groteques and Urien also make sense.

I'm hoping their release is more than a single model.

What changes?

**Kanluwen**

I'd assume the fact that those no longer have scalable sizes?

**Tastyfish**

PenitentJake wrote:
The Phazer wrote:

They might sneak the Death Guard out before Christmas as I imagine that will just be a single new model, maybe the same with Dark Eldar?

There haven't been rumours or anything, but changes to the datacards for Court of the Archon and Beasts suggest that those two units will be boxes moving forward. Groteques and Urien also make sense.

I'm hoping their release is more than a single model.

Beast masters and the Court would also both make fantastic Kill Teams

**Matrindur**

New Valrak rumours:

He heard Blood Angels preorder would be in August so speculates that the Monday reveals for the next few weeks will all be BA until the preorder

He heard about a Blood Angels Terminator (speculated to be a Captain) not related to the Codex so might be the Warhammer+ model?

At 4:37 he also talked about some rules he heard about but just watch the video for that.

Next Kill Team boxset after the Vespid vs Scions box will be an Imperium vs Xenos one again. The Xenos are Orks (Stormboyz?), not sure about the Imperium faction yet.

**Dysartes**

Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

**Dudeface**

Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

Admech birb fellas?

**Matrindur**

Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

The Stormboyz are just speculation based in the flying theme of the season not an actual rumour he heard. But if its Stormboyz I would expect a new kit as its not the newest anymore and this would pretty much be the best opportunity to remake them

**Kanluwen**

Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

This is why I have such a hard time believing in this whole "season of flyers" for KT.

It falls apart very, very quickly simply because most flyers already exist.

That said. Raven Guard are active in Chalnath. There's art from their big boxed set of Reivers with jump packs & lightning claws. There's also still the Vanguard Veterans to get an update, ala the Sternguard.

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Dudeface wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

Admech birb fellas?

Already specialized to the point of being a daft choice.

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Matrindur wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

The Stormboyz are just speculation based in the flying theme of the season not an actual rumour he heard. But if its Stormboyz I would expect a new kit as its not the newest anymore and this would pretty much be the best opportunity to remake them

lol, and the "flying theme of the season" is in and of itself something he kept insisting on the previous season having.

**Dudeface**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

This is why I have such a hard time believing in this whole "season of flyers" for KT.

It falls apart very, very quickly simply because most flyers already exist.

That said. Raven Guard are active in Chalnath. There's art from their big boxed set of Reivers with jump packs & lightning claws. There's also still the Vanguard Veterans to get an update, ala the Sternguard.

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Dudeface wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

Admech birb fellas?

Already specialized to the point of being a daft choice.

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Matrindur wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Did he indicate if the StormBoyz were likely to be a new kit or an upgrade sprue? Trying to figure out possible Imperial opponents for them, if we're thinking flying, and there aren't many - Jump Pack Intercessors with a KT upgrade sprue, maybe? Possibly an upgrade sprue for Seraphim? I can't really see Suppressors or flying Custodes in KT.

The Stormboyz are just speculation based in the flying theme of the season not an actual rumour he heard. But if its Stormboyz I would expect a new kit as its not the newest anymore and this would pretty much be the best opportunity to remake them

lol, and the "flying theme of the season" is in and of itself something he kept insisting on the previous season having.

I don't get it, at one point you state it's unlikely because it's hard to think of relevant units then immediately list 2 marine units.

My suggestion of the admech birds being too specialised? They're in either flamer or anti-infantry flavours, an upgrade sprue with a couple of options breaks that out easily. I mean if you're suggesting that striking scorpions, mandrakes or infiltrators aren't specialised, we might have a misunderstanding of the use of the word.

I never heard/saw Valrak attribute it to last season, he said he wasn't sure when it was coming well before the scouts were out and has stood by thar until the season drew closer.

But it's largely irrelevant, if it happens I'm sure it'll be blind luck and you'll continue to discredit the information.

**Shadow Walker**

Matrindur wrote:
The Xenos are Orks (Stormboyz?), not sure about the Imperium faction yet.

Elysian Drop Troops finally?

**Kanluwen**

Dudeface wrote:

I don't get it, at one point you state it's unlikely because it's hard to think of relevant units then immediately list 2 marine units.

In the context of Imperium? It's hard to think of relevant units that, as I said, don't already have kits. Which is what I said in that bit you quoted.

I listed 2 Marine units partly because Dysartes had already put them into my head with the Suppressors(which wouldn't be a bad choice for a KT element, if we're going to be honest--Suppressors and Reivers together would be a fluffy thing) because it's extremely unlikely we'd get 2 Guard units in a row, and they can't seem to get their gak together to release a Mechanicus KT to save their life. We literally just had the perfect opportunity for a dedicated Mechanicus KT in a setting on a world that had Mechanicus KTs hunting each other, trying to purge Xenarite elements and they squandered it to release filler models for random factions last season.

My suggestion of the admech birds being too specialised? They're in either flamer or anti-infantry flavours, an upgrade sprue with a couple of options breaks that out easily.

Their role is extremely specialized. I get that you're likely just looking at the models, but the role of the unit itself is to serve as part of what is effectively a Forge World's "immune system". The Sterilyzors purge rogue servitors, possessed machinery, etc. They get brought with Mechanicus vessels as well to serve a similar role in transit.

Skystalkers are more for dealing with the populace of the Forge World getting out of line.

I mean if you're suggesting that striking scorpions, mandrakes or infiltrators aren't specialised, we might have a misunderstanding of the use of the word.

Striking Scorpions were one of three units making up that Kill Team's roster.

Mandrakes were a poor choice, and I don't know what "infiltrators" you're meaning? Do you mean the Marine ones from the Phobos Kill Team? Where they're one of several Phobos choices for the KT?

I never heard/saw Valrak attribute it to last season, he said he wasn't sure when it was coming well before the scouts were out and has stood by thar until the season drew closer.

Before Nightmare was announced, he was talking about Swooping Hawks and Vespid and Stormboyz and Guard Jump Troops.

He started waffling about it as soon as the terrain was previewed, and kept calling it the "summer of flyers"...until all of a sudden, he miraculously got Mandrakes v Night Lords.

But it's largely irrelevant, if it happens I'm sure it'll be blind luck and you'll continue to discredit the information.

And if even a quarter of it happens, I'm sure it'll be gospel truth to you.

You're welcome to think whatever you like, but I'm critical because some of the rumors he regurgitates (and then never retracts or addresses) are things being made up specifically to troll the community at large.

**Geifer**

It doesn't seem hard to have one year of flying Kill Teams. That's only eight teams of which three are existing kits with upgrade sprues. We get Guard and Vespids. Swooping Hawks need a plastic kit. No harm in having the lone Squat Kill Team operative expanded into a jump pack unit. That leaves only one unit.

Suppressors don't have a multipart kit yet. Raptors have yet to be embiggened. World Eaters could conceivable use a jump pack unit. Who knows what fun stuff Emperor's Kiddies might have in their army list. GW has plenty of options before they even need to get creative.

**Dudeface**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dudeface wrote:

I don't get it, at one point you state it's unlikely because it's hard to think of relevant units then immediately list 2 marine units.

In the context of Imperium? It's hard to think of relevant units that, as I said, don't already have kits. Which is what I said in that bit you quoted.

I listed 2 Marine units partly because Dysartes had already put them into my head with the Suppressors(which wouldn't be a bad choice for a KT element, if we're going to be honest--Suppressors and Reivers together would be a fluffy thing) because it's extremely unlikely we'd get 2 Guard units in a row, and they can't seem to get their gak together to release a Mechanicus KT to save their life. We literally just had the perfect opportunity for a dedicated Mechanicus KT in a setting on a world that had Mechanicus KTs hunting each other, trying to purge Xenarite elements and they squandered it to release filler models for random factions last season.

My suggestion of the admech birds being too specialised? They're in either flamer or anti-infantry flavours, an upgrade sprue with a couple of options breaks that out easily.

Their role is extremely specialized. I get that you're likely just looking at the models, but the role of the unit itself is to serve as part of what is effectively a Forge World's "immune system". The Sterilyzors purge rogue servitors, possessed machinery, etc. They get brought with Mechanicus vessels as well to serve a similar role in transit.

Skystalkers are more for dealing with the populace of the Forge World getting out of line.

I mean if you're suggesting that striking scorpions, mandrakes or infiltrators aren't specialised, we might have a misunderstanding of the use of the word.

Striking Scorpions were one of three units making up that Kill Team's roster.

Mandrakes were a poor choice, and I don't know what "infiltrators" you're meaning? Do you mean the Marine ones from the Phobos Kill Team? Where they're one of several Phobos choices for the KT?

I never heard/saw Valrak attribute it to last season, he said he wasn't sure when it was coming well before the scouts were out and has stood by thar until the season drew closer.

Before Nightmare was announced, he was talking about Swooping Hawks and Vespid and Stormboyz and Guard Jump Troops.

He started waffling about it as soon as the terrain was previewed, and kept calling it the "summer of flyers"...until all of a sudden, he miraculously got Mandrakes v Night Lords.

But it's largely irrelevant, if it happens I'm sure it'll be blind luck and you'll continue to discredit the information.

And if even a quarter of it happens, I'm sure it'll be gospel truth to you.

You're welcome to think whatever you like, but I'm critical because some of the rumors he regurgitates (and then never retracts or addresses) are things being made up specifically to troll the community at large.

He's right more than wrong and most people are able to understand he's peddling whatever he hears for clicks. I'll laud his accuracy and ability to deliver seemingly accurate if not laser pin point info ahead of time. You'll note that acknowledges room for error, that anyone is only as good as the source of their info and in today's rumour market he is flatly the best. For whatever reason you've a strong dislike of the person/persona, rather than being able to just discuss the content.

That said, I'm glad the admech crowd control and clean up teams are too specific to run an isolated mission, however are capable of appearing in numbers at every single battlefield.

Upgrade sprues consisting of a third of the kill teams means they don't need to be kits that don't exist, likewise as above, it's really not hard to stretch it.

Nevertheless, once the next box is shown we'll get some clarity, whether it's liked or not is a matter of subjective taste.

**Kanluwen**

Geifer wrote:
It doesn't seem hard to have one year of flying Kill Teams. That's only eight teams of which three are existing kits with upgrade sprues. We get Guard and Vespids. Swooping Hawks need a plastic kit. No harm in having the lone Squat Kill Team operative expanded into a jump pack unit. That leaves only one unit.

Suppressors don't have a multipart kit yet. Raptors have yet to be embiggened. World Eaters could conceivable use a jump pack unit. Who knows what fun stuff Emperor's Kiddies might have in their army list. GW has plenty of options before they even need to get creative.

To be fair, I'm looking at it from the perspective of the following:

It's specifically Chalnath. That limits us significantly, as there's 4 factions definitively involved there. Tau Empire, Orks, Imperium, and Genestealer Cults/Tyranids.

Even with that, it's further restricted in that the Tau don't have all of their usual forces for some reason. There's Kroot Kindreds and Gue'vesa cells+Fire Caste forces leftover from their first attempt to take over the Chalnath Expanse.
The Imperium is primarily Guard and Sororitas, with Raven Guard and White Scars forces operating ad hoc in the region. No significant Mechanicus presence has been mentioned. Inquisitorial presence is supposed to be primarily Ordo Xenos with Tempestus Scion support.
Orks are the "newest" addition to the general warzone.
GSC are supposed to be primarily the "riffraff" style of the Neophytes/Acolytes, rebelling against the Tau coming in. Tyranids are supposed to be Vanguard strains over anything else.

World Eaters have zero involvement. There's zero real Chaos presence. The absolute closest is Death Guard in the same general region of space, around the "Startide Nexus" the Tau built.
Drukhari and Aeldari aren't supposed to be active in the region either, and there's not any known Necron presence.

It's entirely possible I've put more thought into this than GW themselves did...but we did get a piece of "splat" art in the KT Core Book that showed the sector's protagonists, broken into "Imperium" and "Xenos".
It had a Cadian wearing a camocloak with a sniper rifle on the Imperial side, with a Sororitas letting rip with a bolter above. Xenos side had a pair of Fire Warriors and a Genestealer Cult Nexos.

None of those have been part of a KT.