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Feels like it would depend upon how large the accompanying releases are.

I'm expecting an army set for 40k; as in something with the army book included.

 Matrindur wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I can't see how the studio Grey Knights being absent from Warhammer World is evidence of anything much, given that surely any new codex would be squatting basically the entire model line bar Crowe.

Why would their models be squatted unless they are getting a refresh which, according to rumours, isn't happing this time?

all the space marine kits which have gotten cut are ones with direct replacements. GW isn't throwing out firstborn kits indiscriminately. there's no reason to think the GK kits would get cut without replacement, unless GW is getting rid of the army entirely (And if that was happening, we would have heard about it)

 xttz wrote:
...Dark Eldar could plausibly get that treatment before the end of 2024.

I hope not - they need WAY more than just a single character.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 xttz wrote:
...Dark Eldar could plausibly get that treatment before the end of 2024.

I hope not - they need WAY more than just a single character.

I think you'll get it too. It feels telling that the Hand of the Archon Kill Team was just an upgrade frame; similar to how the old Cadians got an upgrade frame adding all kinds of goodies a year or so before the new ones dropped.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Also, only getting one Chaos codex in a year and half seems an odd choice.

I've been saying since the roadmap that this was odd and felt like it was intended to get the legions out rapid fire later to dissolve daemons.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 xttz wrote:
...Dark Eldar could plausibly get that treatment before the end of 2024.

I hope not - they need WAY more than just a single character.

Oh yeah for sure. I just wonder how much room there is to squeeze in a significant update for DE this edition given what we already know or have heard about other factions.

Blood Angels, Krieg, and EC are pretty much locked in for major releases, while long-standing rumours point to Eldar, Votann, and possibly TS and/or WE also getting multiple kits.

Meanwhile there's been pretty much nothing said about DE at all.

I'm starting wonder if my slightly-wishful-thinking of DE as the OpFor for 11th might end up bearing fruit.

I'd be happy if DE would get an updated character or two, and RULES for more wargear. Seriously, 2-3 more items for sergeant level guys and 4-5 total options for leaders would make all the difference in the world.

Throw in Vect if you want to get really fancy.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd be happy if DE would get an updated character or two, and RULES for more wargear. Seriously, 2-3 more items for sergeant level guys and 4-5 total options for leaders would make all the difference in the world.

Throw in Vect if you want to get really fancy.

I'm guessing, venom blade, agonised and utility gizmo for your squad leader types (low ap high attacks and low attacks high ap). Not sure how much stock wargear you can add to each of the hqs given as per GW mandate it needs to be on the mini.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd be happy if DE would get an updated character or two, and RULES for more wargear. Seriously, 2-3 more items for sergeant level guys and 4-5 total options for leaders would make all the difference in the world.

Throw in Vect if you want to get really fancy.

I would start with plastic Grotesques, plastic Court & plastic Beastmasters + beasts, myself. Maybe plastic Urien if he's still resin.

If we're adding new stuff or restoring missing stuff, Vect would be up there, along with Bloodbrides & Trueborn, and a datasheet for the KT kit.

Dudeface wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd be happy if DE would get an updated character or two, and RULES for more wargear. Seriously, 2-3 more items for sergeant level guys and 4-5 total options for leaders would make all the difference in the world.

Throw in Vect if you want to get really fancy.

I'm guessing, venom blade, agonised and utility gizmo for your squad leader types (low ap high attacks and low attacks high ap). Not sure how much stock wargear you can add to each of the hqs given as per GW mandate it needs to be on the mini.

That's why I said "updated character or two." Although they don't even need to do that. Every marine faction under the sun has a blister pack accessory sprue, why not Chaos/ Xenos? A single 2.5x3.5 Inch accessory sprue would be big enough for a couple helmet variants, 4-5 pistols, a rifle, and some exotic CCW's. Heck, the DE range was specifically made to interchange parts easily. It's no more "conversion" than options for marines.

I've added Eldar to the list as well, as I think they are rumoured to be one of the first codices next year. I think at one point it was IG box end of 2024 - Eldar in Jan - IG in Feb.

 cuda1179 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd be happy if DE would get an updated character or two, and RULES for more wargear. Seriously, 2-3 more items for sergeant level guys and 4-5 total options for leaders would make all the difference in the world.

Throw in Vect if you want to get really fancy.

I'm guessing, venom blade, agonised and utility gizmo for your squad leader types (low ap high attacks and low attacks high ap). Not sure how much stock wargear you can add to each of the hqs given as per GW mandate it needs to be on the mini.

That's why I said "updated character or two." Although they don't even need to do that. Every marine faction under the sun has a blister pack accessory sprue, why not Chaos/ Xenos? A single 2.5x3.5 Inch accessory sprue would be big enough for a couple helmet variants, 4-5 pistols, a rifle, and some exotic CCW's. Heck, the DE range was specifically made to interchange parts easily. It's no more "conversion" than options for marines.

That's a fair summarisation, when you said updated character or two I didn't envisage yet another archon or succubus resculpt, but yet more new characters or special characters that have been dropped.

Lady Malys has been being mentioned a lot in the fiction recently - being the sponsor for the Kill Team DE for one - so maybe she'll be finally getting a model. A crazy space pirate queen who cut out her own heart to wedge a daemon's in her chest would be neat.

 xttz wrote:
Oh yeah for sure. I just wonder how much room there is to squeeze in a significant update for DE this edition given what we already know or have heard about other factions.

I’m no expert on how reliable rumors are nowadays. So I can’t weigh in on that.
But going by the pattern of releases in 9th and 10th ed. (so far) it seems GW are giving special attention (i.e doing larger waves of models) to the older factions, who’s been waiting for updates since they started introducing all the new factions in 2015 and onwards.
They did about half of them in 9th (Necrons, Orks, Sisters, Black Templars, Aeldari, and Astra Militarum) and has so far continued that streak in 10th (Classic/Pre-primaris Space Marines, Tyranids, Dark Angels, and Tau), while the newer factions, and the ones who got updated in 9th, simply got a character model or teo along with their codexes (which is nice, I think!). While still having time to release a few new factions on the side (Votann, World Eaters).

If that pattern continues (though GW is pretty famous for abandoning patrerns mid-way through 😅) that leaves only Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Drukhari, and Space Wolves as factions to get model waves.
Four factions in two years (assuming a three year life for 10th edition) seems like plenty of time to release them and have time & resources over to do a bunch of others along the way! ^.^

I just want more info regarding the Agents dex. Have zero interest in AOS so it all seems stale right now.
Ideally, what the heck are they doing with Deathwatch and they are going to be implemented.

 Dysartes wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd be happy if DE would get an updated character or two, and RULES for more wargear. Seriously, 2-3 more items for sergeant level guys and 4-5 total options for leaders would make all the difference in the world.

Throw in Vect if you want to get really fancy.

I would start with plastic Grotesques, plastic Court & plastic Beastmasters + beasts, myself. Maybe plastic Urien if he's still resin.

If we're adding new stuff or restoring missing stuff, Vect would be up there, along with Bloodbrides & Trueborn, and a datasheet for the KT kit.

i'm still pulling for the Beastmaster to get a kill team. it, plus the beasts, could be a neat concept for the game (this is very unlikely)

the kill team is just kabbalites, tho, so it would be a matter of giving them the wargear from the upgrade sprue, if they don't have it already

Malys returning would give a named Kabal character back to DE.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
the kill team is just kabbalites, tho, so it would be a matter of giving them the wargear from the upgrade sprue, if they don't have it already

I'm not a DE player, but I was discussing the theoretical idea of DE-in-11th-ed-starter with my local GW manager yesterday, and I know he said they're basically just alt sculpts at the moment.

I'd generally lean towards adding a "Hand of the Archon" datasheet, where the upgrades are all utilised - distinct from Trueborn, but still a bit more elite than your standard unit of Kabalites.

I'l also look to do something with the Heretek Circle in that regard, too.

 bullyboy wrote:
I just want more info regarding the Agents dex. Have zero interest in AOS so it all seems stale right now.
Ideally, what the heck are they doing with Deathwatch and they are going to be implemented.

Yeah, the long focus on the respective big summer release always makes for a dull, dragged out quarter of a year. It'll be good for GW to move on and give us a bit of variety again.

Do we know when the next preview event is likely to be, aside from the results of the AOS mini-campaign?

 Dysartes wrote:
Do we know when the next preview event is likely to be, aside from the results of the AOS mini-campaign?

GenCon is next month? They do stuff for that?

Apparently the webstore has seen a massive purge of Deathwatch and Agents kits, including the assassins.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Do we know when the next preview event is likely to be, aside from the results of the AOS mini-campaign?

GenCon is next month? They do stuff for that?

Auspex & Valrak both posted videos this week with a screenshot showing that the planned Warhammer preview at GenCon had been cancelled. All we know right now is that there will be an AOS preview on Sat 10th August. That may be like last year's preview that focused solely on 40k Tyranids, or perhaps they're just going to roll in all of the other game systems on the same stream.

Given that influencers allegedly already have Imperial Agents stuff for review and GW are running out of previewed products to release, I suspect we're more likely to get another preview event before GenCon instead.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Apparently the webstore has seen a massive purge of Deathwatch and Agents kits, including the assassins.

Someone's telling porkies about the Deathwatch, at least - I can see the Veterans, Watch Master, Corvus, Kill Team Cassius and the upgrade sprue on there.

Agents has lost the Assassins, though, aside from the Warhammer+ Vindicare.

Deathwatch is 38 items compared to the roughly 80 items of all the Codex Marines.

 xttz wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Do we know when the next preview event is likely to be, aside from the results of the AOS mini-campaign?

GenCon is next month? They do stuff for that?

Auspex & Valrak both posted videos this week with a screenshot showing that the planned Warhammer preview at GenCon had been cancelled. All we know right now is that there will be an AOS preview on Sat 10th August. That may be like last year's preview that focused solely on 40k Tyranids, or perhaps they're just going to roll in all of the other game systems on the same stream.

Given that influencers allegedly already have Imperial Agents stuff for review and GW are running out of previewed products to release, I suspect we're more likely to get another preview event before GenCon instead.

Would be nice if they did, but there's also the possibility to spread out the mystery codex reveals over a few Mondays.

They've been taken up by Necromunda model reveals lately, but I don't know if there's anything left for it. Might just switch to 40k.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Apparently the webstore has seen a massive purge of Deathwatch and Agents kits, including the assassins.

Someone's telling porkies about the Deathwatch, at least - I can see the Veterans, Watch Master, Corvus, Kill Team Cassius and the upgrade sprue on there.

Agents has lost the Assassins, though, aside from the Warhammer+ Vindicare.

That's the first born upgrade sprue, it was released pre-8th iirc? The fact it has 10 marine and 2 terminator pads being the give away.

So it tracks that maybe only the firstborn unit survives. Fingers crossed we find out this evening to some degree.

If they've only lost the Primaris upgrade sprue, then "massive purge" seems like a heck of an overstatement.

One sprue out of six does not a massive purge make.

 Dysartes wrote:
If they've only lost the Primaris upgrade sprue, then "massive purge" seems like a heck of an overstatement.

One sprue out of six does not a massive purge make.

There wasn't a Primaris frame. The Deathwatch sprue was surprisingly well scaled for Primaris & Firstborn.

Like I said though, they're down to 38 items out of the roughly 80 the other Codex Space Marines Chapters have. I'd assume that's where the purge commentary is coming from.