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I was thinking the other month they've really slowed down the marine releases lately, the upcoming wolves will be big for marine fans. I'm wondering if they'll do primaris devastators any time soon, that would be nice.

They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Leagues of Votann do, but they're still new.
Space Marines haven't needed new stuff since before Centurions came out. And Primaris is just to phase out the old models, and simplify the range.

How did Primaris simplify the range? If anything I find Primaris made SM overly complicated and turned them into Eldar with triple the amount of aspect warriors.
The Tactical Marines of old are now split into
two units (normal, heavy Intercessors), the scouts are now split into 6(!) units, one of which is still called Scout (+4 Phobos armoured units, +Eliminators),
Devastators are now about 5 units, some of which can jump around, assault marines are still that.
All of these units have fancy special rules, fancy armours, some can jump, there are no unified weapon profiles anymore, every Primaris weapon is some kind of special Lascannon, special Plasma, special Nerf missile gatling gun and so on.
As someone who doesn't play SM the Primaris range nowadays is totally impenetrable to me, while in earlier times as a CSM Player I could about guess what loyalists do and would only be surprised by some guys that could take plasma cannons when I couldn't, or Long Fangs that were mean cheats.

 Platuan4th wrote:
They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.

Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it too much to want a named Epic Hero Drop Pod?

Steve. Or Lucian if for Chaos/HH. Done!

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.

Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.

They would still have "Devastator heavy weapon" as the only equipment and then choose perhaps devastating wounds or lethal hits for flexibility.
Even the havocs would look better with their mandatory mix of weapons.

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.

Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.

Eliminators have las weapons, desolators have missile launchers, hellblasters have plasma.

What are you wanting them to add exactly?

Yeah they kinda have everything covered, dont forget eradicators w multimelta.

I think people dont think of some of those units as "devastators" because the packaging on some of those units isnt "heavy fire support squad". Eliminators arent packaged as heavy units w lascannons, they are stealthy units w las snipers that can shoot holes in tanks

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah they kinda have everything covered, dont forget eradicators w multimelta.

I think people dont think of some of those units as "devastators" because the packaging on some of those units isnt "heavy fire support squad". Eliminators arent packaged as heavy units w lascannons, they are stealthy units w las snipers that can shoot holes in tanks

They even all use the "Heavy Support Squad" insignia that used to be the "Devastator Squad" emblem and fill the role in Chapter Organization charts.

This could be a 10.5 Marine codex in which to boost sales at the tale end of 10th.

Also, GW would add a couple new pieces for Marines as well as remove the rest of Firstborn items.

It seems there have been a few things they just updated (Terminators and Drop Pod) but drop things like vehicles with the Rhino chasis, , Devastator Marines, Vanguard Vets.

Then, the process replacing all the Marine stuff (and having us buy new) that began in 8th is complete.

Dudeface wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.

Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.

Eliminators have las weapons, desolators have missile launchers, hellblasters have plasma.

What are you wanting them to add exactly?

Just Primaris with the classic devastator silhouette. I haven't kept up with the rules I'm sure they'd have to change or add new (old) unit/weapons to the codex.

For the older editions where First Born were more utilized, they ran into the problem of survivability and points. The only thing the writers could do was drive points down down down. They couldn't make First Born more survivable than the equivalent unit of Primaris, they JUST released a huge new bloated range of miniatures.

The rumors for DG indicate that DG writers have taken the other (imo much better) path. Same minis, much much tankier, better rules, and presumably way fewer models on the table than right now.

I think the world in which we got TruScale marine sprues instead of Primaris bloat (or Primaris armors but following Codex organizational schemes like Tactical, Assault, Dev) would have been better.

Then again, maybe they would have tried to release a Primaris Stalker/Hunter kit or a Primaris fighter craft.

I could see tactical squads returning in the next edition starter box.

The primaris are far superior to firstborn in my eyes. I wish they had just bitten the bullet and done a complete range refresh straight away instead of the bloat we have now, eg with scouts and reivers

Not really apropos of anything, but I’ve recently been pondering the differences between First Born pattern squads (Tactical, Assault, Devastator) and Primaris pattern squads.

The Firstborn, being laid down after the second Founding, were kind of Take all Comers. When out on your patrol, you have to hedge your bets equipment wise. Where last year your campaign was against human traitors, this year it might be Eldar. So it didn’t do to overly specialise your squad’s equipment.

The Primaris ones though? The entire Imperium is on an All Out War Footing, and will be for the foreseeable future. And as you’re more likely to be in a given theatre for extended periods against relatively set foes? You can afford to specialise. And as that equipment is newly minted and issued? You’ve the matériel resources to do so.

Just a random pondering.

James12345 wrote:
I could see tactical squads returning in the next edition starter box.

The primaris are far superior to firstborn in my eyes. I wish they had just bitten the bullet and done a complete range refresh straight away instead of the bloat we have now, eg with scouts and reivers

Considering they just showed us primaris Grey Hunters with classic boltguns and gear, they obviously can go that way if they want to.

 Fayric wrote:

James12345 wrote:
I could see tactical squads returning in the next edition starter box.

The primaris are far superior to firstborn in my eyes. I wish they had just bitten the bullet and done a complete range refresh straight away instead of the bloat we have now, eg with scouts and reivers

Considering they just showed us primaris Grey Hunters with classic boltguns and gear, they obviously can go that way if they want to.

Regardless, intercessors are 9 years old next summer, which by marine standards means it's refresh time more or less.

Next week is big for Death Guard & World Eaters:
- Codices, dices & cards
- Battleforces with new characters
- Updated Combat Patrol

There is also the Combat Patrol for the Emperor's Children
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xjrnugbz/sunday-preview-rot-and-ruin/

CorwinB wrote:
Next week is big for Death Guard & World Eaters:
- Codices, dices & cards
- Battleforces with new characters
- Updated Combat Patrol

There is also the Combat Patrol for the Emperor's Children
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xjrnugbz/sunday-preview-rot-and-ruin/

It looks like none of them have Epic Heroes.
Good.

Surprised to see a rhino in the DG box

No Poxwalkers in the DG boxes, good. Lot's of Jakhals for WE though. But then they're more fitting to the legion than grinning zombies or angry birds are - they should have revived diseased flagellants for DG and thrall wizard bands for TS as another option, now that normal cultists are gone.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
they should have revived diseased flagellants for DG and thrall wizard bands for TS as another option, now that normal cultists are gone.

...or just put Cultists back in.

...the new background for Goremongers even talks about the World Eaters using large numbers of non-Jakhal cultists...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
they should have revived diseased flagellants for DG and thrall wizard bands for TS as another option, now that normal cultists are gone.

...or just put Cultists back in.

...the new background for Goremongers even talks about the World Eaters using large numbers of non-Jakhal cultists...

Sure - I'd like to see cultists, traitor guard etc. in those codices. But those are not exactly the troops that should appear in the CP or battleforce boxes for CSM legions.

Just give us a Lost and the Damned Codex, you cowards.

Not Naughty Guard Now With Added Spikes specifically. But a mortal Chaos army of turncoats, criminals and mutants.

They’re the true threat of Chaos, as they can crop up anywhere, and tend to be quite reckless when summoning Daemonic allies.

GW is always clever enough to make DG boxes that mix units I still need and stuff I already have plenty of... though since I never bite it's maybe not that clever after all. I'll just get what I want with the usual 20% at some point and won't regret not having to get rid of all the stuff in these boxes I wouldn't need.

The Rhino looks a little sad in that Promotion pic. I hope GW still sells Green stuff to help that poor thing.

 Da Boss wrote:
40k is way past the point where any range 'needs' anything.

There are plenty of ranges that could use attention. Space Marines just aren't one of them.

Ngl the DG and EC patrols look not shabby. WE is a bit hm with the Prince but I'd say they're all good starts for a larger force.

DG Detachment preview on WarCom

GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.

I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.

I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.

That is more or less what WE are getting per the rumors. FWIW, the vehicle detachment seems pretty spicy to me.

Noxious Blightbringer able to lead poxwalkers. That is new