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Wait, when did Richard O’Brien get inducted into the Custodes?

Looks like it would fit in with the Rocky Horror Picture Show

I do not like the new SC's face. At all. I'll either use another head from my collection or just give him his helmet. I don't know how badly I want the box though; I need Wardens and Allarus very badly, and I want the new SC even if his face is fugly, but I really don't want 6 more banana bikes unless those are suddenly going to be amazing in the new book.

Not fond of the Mek's face at all. Definitely too serious for my likes. The alt head is a little better.

The issue with the SC is just that his pauldrons nearly double the width of his body and the cape makes the whole silhouette look squatty. It's basically the same issue Stormcast had early on.

Kind of low key news for all the lead up, but curious to see how things turn out. Not itching to buy any of it personally.

 LunarSol wrote:
Not fond of the Mek's face at all. Definitely too serious for my likes. The alt head is a little better.

Serious Mekboy is serious. I like the head. I mean he's a Teknikian and looks how his stuff is working while thinking of ways to improve it - second head looks too warbossy to me and doesn't have the bionics and Frankenstein screws.

For me personally, the random bolts are a bit too random on the first head. The jawline doesn't look quite big enough to support whatever would be attached to bolts that big. The big one under the ear looks good to me, and matches up to where the big metal jaws tend to be attached, which I find pleasing. The other two just look off.

This is entirely my own aesthetic opinion though

I like the new Mek design for the Orks. The new Custodes special character looks kind of goofy based on the proportions, I think that's a pass for me.

New Valrak video:

Kroot army set coming in April, so likely the Custodes/Orks are at the end of this month

Chaos will get two boxsets, each with a new HQ. One is a generic Chaos Lord, the other is a Jump Lord. (So likely Battleforces like Orks/Custodes and not army sets like DA/Kroot)

New Combat Patrols:
Tau - Commander, Pathfinders with KT upgrades, Fire Warriors, Devil Fish
Orks - Beastsnaggers focused
Custodes will get a new one but hasn't heard what's in it

Sisters of Battle will get a Boxset themed about Fast Attack with many jump troops (Zephyrim/Seraphim) and a new Jump Pack Canoness
Genestealers Cults get a new Psyker with a huge swollen head (Maybe something like the Blackstone Fortress Rogue Psyker?), also get a boxset but not sure yet what's in it

Blood Angels - Coming this Summer
After them Krieg are coming, likely with an army set like Kroot

oh. cool. another genestealers character. that's exactly what the army needed!

also, unless the box set is nothing but jackals, ridgerunners, and acolytes, that's gonna be a pass. i already have enough neophytes to last a lifetime, and that's most likely what it'll be filled with (and for good reason)

Character models are what GW does now to give an army something when they aren't giving them new units, but want to have some marketing attention on them.

I do get the annoyance, but Cults at least have a good functional army behind them. It's worse for things like Fyreslayers in AoS where there's 2 troop kits and EVERY other model is a leader kit.

For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

 Matrindur wrote:

Chaos will get two boxsets, each with a new HQ. One is a generic Chaos Lord, the other is a Jump Lord.

Oh I hope so, I really want to run a jumplord again.

 xttz wrote:
For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

i don't think it was ever a question if brood brothers would stick around; it's a core part of the army's identity. i'm still disappointed by the idea of a brood brothers KT because brood brothers is already something that exists and doesn't need a bespoke kit to facilitate itself

I suppose that this codex could be the return of brood brothers units being within the codex, and not allies, which would be a shakeup?


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 Overread wrote:
Character models are what GW does now to give an army something when they aren't giving them new units, but want to have some marketing attention on them.

I do get the annoyance, but Cults at least have a good functional army behind them. It's worse for things like Fyreslayers in AoS where there's 2 troop kits and EVERY other model is a leader kit.

GSC is entirely functional, but aside from the two half-finished armies from 9th edition, it feels like the weakest range in the game. we have a grand total of four infantry kits (neophytes, acolytes, aberrants, and the tyranids' genestealer kit)... but this still only translate into there being nine different non-character datasheets (and 13 characters). i know it could be worse, but it's still pretty frustrating

 Matrindur wrote:
Sisters of Battle will get a Boxset themed about Fast Attack with many jump troops (Zephyrim/Seraphim) and a new Jump Pack Canoness

Cool cool cool - Seraphim are one unit I don't have too many of, so that might be worth getting!

Now, when are we getting our 2nd edition foot Seraphim bodyguards?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 xttz wrote:
For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

i don't think it was ever a question if brood brothers would stick around; it's a core part of the army's identity. i'm still disappointed by the idea of a brood brothers KT because brood brothers is already something that exists and doesn't need a bespoke kit to facilitate itself

I suppose that this codex could be the return of brood brothers units being within the codex, and not allies, which would be a shakeup?


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 Overread wrote:
Character models are what GW does now to give an army something when they aren't giving them new units, but want to have some marketing attention on them.

I do get the annoyance, but Cults at least have a good functional army behind them. It's worse for things like Fyreslayers in AoS where there's 2 troop kits and EVERY other model is a leader kit.

GSC is entirely functional, but aside from the two half-finished armies from 9th edition, it feels like the weakest range in the game. we have a grand total of four infantry kits (neophytes, acolytes, aberrants, and the tyranids' genestealer kit)... but this still only translate into there being nine different non-character datasheets (and 13 characters). i know it could be worse, but it's still pretty frustrating

Arguably less character sheets but more customisability for characters would be better.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 xttz wrote:
For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

i don't think it was ever a question if brood brothers would stick around; it's a core part of the army's identity. i'm still disappointed by the idea of a brood brothers KT because brood brothers is already something that exists and doesn't need a bespoke kit to facilitate itself

I suppose that this codex could be the return of brood brothers units being within the codex, and not allies, which would be a shakeup?


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 Overread wrote:
Character models are what GW does now to give an army something when they aren't giving them new units, but want to have some marketing attention on them.

I do get the annoyance, but Cults at least have a good functional army behind them. It's worse for things like Fyreslayers in AoS where there's 2 troop kits and EVERY other model is a leader kit.

GSC is entirely functional, but aside from the two half-finished armies from 9th edition, it feels like the weakest range in the game. we have a grand total of four infantry kits (neophytes, acolytes, aberrants, and the tyranids' genestealer kit)... but this still only translate into there being nine different non-character datasheets (and 13 characters). i know it could be worse, but it's still pretty frustrating

Arguably less character sheets but more customisability for characters would be better.

Sadly I don't see this happening. Right now GW likes to have more character models and less modularity on a single model type.
IT lets them have more models to release for a given army which means more opportunities to market them with something people will pay attention too.

For customers its honestly about the same - either you've 1 model with a dozen different build combos that you have to buy a dozen times to build one of each; or you've a dozen individual models.

Except for magnets. And kit with multiple weapons gives more combos than gw releases models(except marine lt's ).

But moot point. Gw might change style again but not likely in forseeable future.

Genestealer cults are missing the most important mini for any miniature cult army, an old school patriarch on a throne, not the fancy shenanigans of today and while we are at it a Limo.

Where's the damn Wave 2 for Votann? Bloody hell.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 xttz wrote:
For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

i don't think it was ever a question if brood brothers would stick around; it's a core part of the army's identity. i'm still disappointed by the idea of a brood brothers KT because brood brothers is already something that exists and doesn't need a bespoke kit to facilitate itself

I suppose that this codex could be the return of brood brothers units being within the codex, and not allies, which would be a shakeup?

While I don't disagree, the thing to keep in mind about KT releases is that they actually ARE KT releases... And in that context, a BB kit IS super important because a) BB don't currently exist in KT and b) BB are super important in the life cycle of a Cult, so if you're playing narratively, they are essential; a Cult literally cannot have ANYTHING except Purestrains and a Patriarch unless it has BB, because it is the BB that breed hybrids.

This did get a little blurrier in the 9th ed dex... The Genestealer life cycle is icky, and GW doesn't like to get into the details, but the fluff was written in a different era.

My fear is that GW feths up the upgrade sprue and gives them Alien looking heads, because we already saw that with the previous frame- it's connected to that blurring of the life cycle. In the clearer fluff, BB were understood to be physically indistinguishable from the host species EXCEPT that they have a psychic predisposition to dislike those that don't share Cult DNA and a compulsion to be attracted to and protective of those that do, and that their offspring will be born hybridized.

No weird heads. I mean granted, even if their are weird heads, that doesn't mean I have to use them... But then that diminishes the value of the sprue.

PenitentJake wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 xttz wrote:
For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

i don't think it was ever a question if brood brothers would stick around; it's a core part of the army's identity. i'm still disappointed by the idea of a brood brothers KT because brood brothers is already something that exists and doesn't need a bespoke kit to facilitate itself

I suppose that this codex could be the return of brood brothers units being within the codex, and not allies, which would be a shakeup?

While I don't disagree, the thing to keep in mind about KT releases is that they actually ARE KT releases... And in that context, a BB kit IS super important because a) BB don't currently exist in KT and b) BB are super important in the life cycle of a Cult, so if you're playing narratively, they are essential; a Cult literally cannot have ANYTHING except Purestrains and a Patriarch unless it has BB, because it is the BB that breed hybrids.

This did get a little blurrier in the 9th ed dex... The Genestealer life cycle is icky, and GW doesn't like to get into the details, but the fluff was written in a different era.

My fear is that GW feths up the upgrade sprue and gives them Alien looking heads, because we already saw that with the previous frame- it's connected to that blurring of the life cycle. In the clearer fluff, BB were understood to be physically indistinguishable from the host species EXCEPT that they have a psychic predisposition to dislike those that don't share Cult DNA and a compulsion to be attracted to and protective of those that do, and that their offspring will be born hybridized.

No weird heads. I mean granted, even if their are weird heads, that doesn't mean I have to use them... But then that diminishes the value of the sprue.

my issue with giving BB a bespoke kit is that GSC already have a BB kit. it's called cadians. the lore is already served by being able to take cadians. unless GW are going to change how BB works from the current ally rules (entirely possible, and if so i'll be less annoyed), an upgrade sprue for cadians isn't really giving us something new for the army's toolbox

They really want to get rid off of those Stompas to put them on a Battleforce, aren't they?

At this point just run 'em as terrain.

PenitentJake wrote:

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 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 xttz wrote:
For GSC I'm more encouraged by the rumour that there's a new Brood Brothers upgrade sprue via KT. Not because I want to buy it, but because it's a sign that BB will continue to have some form of rules support in the codex rather than just being dropped.

i don't think it was ever a question if brood brothers would stick around; it's a core part of the army's identity. i'm still disappointed by the idea of a brood brothers KT because brood brothers is already something that exists and doesn't need a bespoke kit to facilitate itself

I suppose that this codex could be the return of brood brothers units being within the codex, and not allies, which would be a shakeup?

While I don't disagree, the thing to keep in mind about KT releases is that they actually ARE KT releases... And in that context, a BB kit IS super important because a) BB don't currently exist in KT and b) BB are super important in the life cycle of a Cult, so if you're playing narratively, they are essential; a Cult literally cannot have ANYTHING except Purestrains and a Patriarch unless it has BB, because it is the BB that breed hybrids.

This did get a little blurrier in the 9th ed dex... The Genestealer life cycle is icky, and GW doesn't like to get into the details, but the fluff was written in a different era.

My fear is that GW feths up the upgrade sprue and gives them Alien looking heads, because we already saw that with the previous frame- it's connected to that blurring of the life cycle. In the clearer fluff, BB were understood to be physically indistinguishable from the host species EXCEPT that they have a psychic predisposition to dislike those that don't share Cult DNA and a compulsion to be attracted to and protective of those that do, and that their offspring will be born hybridized.

No weird heads. I mean granted, even if their are weird heads, that doesn't mean I have to use them... But then that diminishes the value of the sprue.

Just to clarify, you want a BB upgrade kit that leaves them physically indistinguishable from normal Cadians? Can I interest you in this lovely Cadian upgrade sprue then?

I get the concern / disdain around GW blurring / changing fluff but it's just kinda what they tend to do. But I don't see them selling an upgrade sprue that leaves BB looking just like Cadians. Because that would be pointless. Also, some times physical differences need to be exaggerated for the table top, otherwise everything looks the same. (See impractical spikes on traitor guard for example).

You could have an upgrade sprue which includes different styles of weapons (perhaps a more locally produced variant, or auto- instead of las- weapons), different helmet designs, bald heads, cult daggers and icons like the current sprue, add banners, blasting charges etc.

 CMLR wrote:
They really want to get rid off of those Stompas to put them on a Battleforce, aren't they?

At this point just run 'em as terrain.

Getting rid by producing more?

You DO know these boxes are all freshly produced don't you?

As some with a boatload of GSC models, I’m all for a conversion kit that lets me add GSC themed heads, arms, weapons to infantry and more ‘cultish’ icons to vehicles, etc. to IG models.

I would love to see a big Ambot style kit for IG.

So new BA Assault Terminators coming in summer? Nice. I hope we also get a bunch of new iconography and chapter specific gubbins. And hey, how about some new Sang guard that actually looks good while you're at it

 NAVARRO wrote:
Genestealer cults are missing the most important mini for any miniature cult army, an old school patriarch on a throne, not the fancy shenanigans of today and while we are at it a Limo.

Where's the damn Wave 2 for Votann? Bloody hell.

I could see a Patriarch on throne as a Warhammer+/event model, not so much as a regular model. If they still did diorama models like Saint Kathy or the bony dude from AoS, there'd be more of a chance there. But then, hey, I dare GW to prove me wrong!

Limo would be cool. What self-respecting mine boss rolls around in some crummy truck? Shame GW lacks that kind of vision.

Squats are a bit of a funny one. There have been other armies that got an update after only a year. Is that not the case here because the practice wasn't well received? Or because the new edition made that commitment undesirable? Seems like GW is content to give them a little more time either way and tide people over with Kill Team kits.

I wonder if we'll get an updated roadmap for Adepticon. Half of the codices on the old one are out or have their releases announced. Might give a bit of an idea when we can expect space stunties.

When they do get around to Votann again they have better include:

1. Either a second troops choice, bring back 20 man squads, or both.

2. Units of Jump infantry like that guy from the Kill team box.

3. A flier of some kind. (okay this third thing isn't such a huge deal).

assuming that the KT is a scouts team, i think votann would be due for some redundancy in their infantry. give them a second melee unit, another shooting infantry option, and a jump pack unit, and they're better in that regard. maybe another vehicle and some characters, and they'll be a proper, if small, range

 cuda1179 wrote:
When they do get around to Votann again they have better include:

1. Either a second troops choice, bring back 20 man squads, or both.

2. Units of Jump infantry like that guy from the Kill team box.

3. A flier of some kind. (okay this third thing isn't such a huge deal).

1. What would the second choice be? More melee focused? Scouts like T’au Pathfinders?

2. Could these be the second troop choice? Don’t make them super fast just like ignore terrain or something.

3. In my head this looks like a giant version of the Dwarf Gyrocopter. Or maybe the troop transport can be like the gyrobomber but with tiny individual drop pods instead of the bombs?