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 cuda1179 wrote:
Dark Eldar need fleshing out not so much in new units, but in options for existing units. Heck, I'd like to see the return of more weapons options across the board for all armies, but DE seem to hurt BAD in this regard.

Also the whole "this unit contains exactly this combination of models" line had GOT to go.

Dark Eldar hit their peak in 5th edition, then have lost characters, units, and options in every edition since. And had about one plastic kit per edition, half of which were characters

Tyel wrote:
But Eldar? What holes are possibly in need of filling?

It's a small one, but one that bugs me - Great Harlequin.

The other characters came back, but not the chief.

Arguably Shining Spear & WS Phoenix Lords, too - I believe we have a name for the former now, at least.

 Dysartes wrote:

Tyel wrote:
But Eldar? What holes are possibly in need of filling?

It's a small one, but one that bugs me - Great Harlequin.

The other characters came back, but not the chief.

Arguably Shining Spear & WS Phoenix Lords, too - I believe we have a name for the former now, at least.

Well, looks like at least one of those holes will be filled according to the rumors. Warp Spider PL coming later this year.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Dark Eldar need fleshing out not so much in new units, but in options for existing units. Heck, I'd like to see the return of more weapons options across the board for all armies, but DE seem to hurt BAD in this regard.

Also the whole "this unit contains exactly this combination of models" line had GOT to go.

Amen to all of that. GW's insistence on box contents tying to the rules is exhausting and nonsensical. Whoever proposed that policy should be launched into the sun.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyway.
Let’s look at Aspect Warriors.

1st-3rd Ed? The same models. Then the utterly awful Mike McVey ones came out. They were uglier and less detailed than the originals. And still in metal. But I think they at least got plastic Dire Avengers.

I had to check, but Mike McVey wasn't even the most significant culprit in the 3rd Ed Aspect Warriors debacle. He did the Reapers (pretty bad but the Exarch is nice) and the Hawks (the current kit, which is actually pretty good in my view).

Chris Fitzpatrick did the Banshees (awkward-looking but with interesting elements) and the Dragons (I have actually always liked those rather more than the Goodwin ones, apart from the fist-waggling Exarch).

It was Gary Morley, also responsible for the hilarious first Nagash model, who did the abominations that were the Scorpions. Also the Spears riders who were... fine I guess?

I can't find who did the Avengers Exarch and upgrades, but the (decent) Guardians they are based on are credited to Goodwin and McVey.

In the age of no model no rules, there are no gaps to fill.

Gsc didn't have a kellermorph gap, but they still got one out of nowhere.

Dark angels didn't have a risen gap, but they still got the unit.


Harlequins are so old as an army that they actually DO have unit gaps, gaps that are almost 40 years old (but due to nmnr don't have rules despite having them previously):

Great Harlequins
Master mimes
Mime units

Don't have models.

Not to mention they had wraithlords and special ghost warriors that were also part of the troupes.

There were never any Mime units. It was weird. They were given profiles, but no army list entries.

twoseventwo wrote:
There were never any Mime units. It was weird. They were given profiles, but no army list entries.

They definitely got a unit in the experimental Harlequin list from Citadel Journal in 3rd edition. Essentially the infiltrator unit for Harlequins.

twoseventwo wrote:
There were never any Mime units. It was weird. They were given profiles, but no army list entries.

Surely just normal Harlequin models but with a white striped outfit and a tear painted on their cheek. I suppose they need alt heads with oversized berets.

 Dysartes wrote:

Tyel wrote:
But Eldar? What holes are possibly in need of filling?

It's a small one, but one that bugs me - Great Harlequin.

The other characters came back, but not the chief.

Arguably Shining Spear & WS Phoenix Lords, too - I believe we have a name for the former now, at least.

Eh... I wouldn't consider these holes.

I mean lets say they do issue a "Great Harlequin" - who is what, a Troupe Master with an extra wound and attack? Its not exactly going to blow Harlequin list building wide open.
I guess Autarchs don't completely slot in for missing Phoenix Lords - but again, functionally they can serve much the same purpose.

I mean what's missing from the Eldar Range?
They have:
Psychic Characters
Choppy Characters
Choppy Monster Characters
Basic shooty troops and basic choppy Troops (that no one would ever take but what are you going to do...)
They've got snipers.
They've got almost every elite infantry unit concept under the sun in Aspect warriors.
They've got heavy infantry (shooty and choppy).
They've got basic bikers. They've got elite bikers. They've got sniper-bikers.
They've got light vehicles. They've got tanks. They've got artillery. They've got artillery tanks.
They've got light walkers, heavy walkers and super-heavy walkers.
They've got fliers.
They've got transports.
Chuck in Harlequins for even more redundancy in these slots.

Apart from Marines, I don't think there's a broader roster in the game.

Appears GW have also purged some 40k kits silently from the web store (via Auspex Tactics).

* The four remaining Deamon characters in finecast (not surprising but I am confused why they weren't in yesterday's announcement given they had AOS rules too).
* The older Dark Angel upgrade sprues (again, not a huge shock given they have been replaced tbh.)
* Primaris Lieutenant Zakariah (genuinely baffled by this one. Had it had a repack with the new logo since release? That's literally the only reason I can think of)
* The old Brood Brothers kit (about to be replaced with a massively better version in Kill Team)
* The Ork and Custodes combat patrols (likely to be replaced with worse versions shortly no doubt).
* FW Wraithknight with inferno lances (was this still playable? I'm amazed)
* FW Malcador Defendor (this specific variant doesn't have a 30k plastic kit yet but I can't imagine anyone was buying the resin rather than kitbashing the plastic even if it's not coming)
* The individually packed Sector Frontieris terrain (the bigger box remains and they were awful value in comparison tbh).

Tyel wrote:

I mean what's missing from the Eldar Range?
...
Apart from Marines, I don't think there's a broader roster in the game.

I think the perception that Eldar are lacking something just comes from 2nd edition Phoenix Lords and Warp Spiders primarily plus the stuff that's still in finecast like Fire Dragons and Swooping Hawks.

They don't have any glaring needs. Anything new they could get would just be nice to have like a Farseer kit with options similar to the most recent Autarch kit.

Yes, CWE primarily need updates to their remaining resin models rather than kits filling dropped units. It wouldn't be such a big issue if Aspect warriors were not such a prominant part of Eldar lore.

So the "holes" are more weakpoints with ancient models. I feel for poor Asurmen, first of the Pheonix Lords and probably last to be updated.

Dark Eldar absolutely need a massive influx of new character options, etc.
GSC got a great expansion but that could easily have been an army like Harlies.
Just takes imagination.
Apart from current models, could have easily added other units/models..

Mimes, great avatar, marionette walkers, webway guardians (aren’t they supposed to be some type of horrific beings guarding the webway?), a larger transport (open topped, with top looking like a stage), different bike units, you could go on and on if you chose. GSC had the same flesh out, added new units that never existed before.

For anyone who may be interested, just in case its not been posted elsewhere, the Kroot Carnivore arms will fit any of the bodies without modification, not something that the instructions mention at all. Feels almost like a kit from 20 years ago with new tech and detailing.

 Shakalooloo wrote:


Harlequins should be the faction getting lots of monopose characters to represent roles, while the diverse GSC should be getting new mobs of degenerate Imperials. And a goddamned limo!

I think it would be pretty cool to get some new harlequin models that are characters like the death jester or whatever else, that could join each little unit you have. Or just be stand alone.
Would just be more fitting for them.

I’m not an Eldar player at all, but I do like the harlequin visual..

Eldar still missing Slicing Orbs aspect.
And need dynamic harlequin wraith lord.
And Nuadhu Fireheart

And Dinoriders...

Huge holes in the range.

Dinoriders should be a whole army of their own. GW has teased Exodites for so long they deserve a fully army of wild space elves and dinosaurs and dinosaurs with lasers on their heads!

And the Crystal Dragons and Ebon Talons.

Seriously though, Exodites need at the very least a Kill Team. Instead of riders they can have handlers and velociraptors.

 Sacredroach wrote:
Instead of riders they can have handlers and velociraptors.

Eldar Chris Pratt on a jetbike.

And bright stallion warlocks - there's so much that they can do for them that I'm honestly surprised they've never touched on Exodites at all over the years.

Even a single hero leader or unit or such.

I think the only model is 1 bright lance model they made ages ago for Epic/Titan Legions. There might be one or two more kicking around, but again only in the really really old stuff.




Granted GW has also been teasing Codex Zoats for 2 years running now in Christmas themed videos

And we have a zoat model even. But if they want to tease exodites, best way to do it would be some enslaved dinosaurs as part of a Dark Eldar beastmaster menagerie

Orks & Custodes pre-orders next weekend: Sunday Preview – Green or Gold?

New CP for Orks looks fun. I really like Snaggas (except the rig which is an awful model).

Due to monopose I only need 10 snaggas and I'm not really fond of the Boss either... will have to think about it but I can always just take 1 box of snaggas and 1 box of riders...

Is it still two weeks between preorders and release dates?

The Custodes CP would be a lot clearer an image if the Wardens had their axes...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Due to monopose I only need 10 snaggas

Yeah, the monopose is a downside but those boys are awesome.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Is it still two weeks between preorders and release dates?

It's usually one week. Two or more are just for specific releases, like new editions of the game.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Is it still two weeks between preorders and release dates?

It's usually one week. Two or more are just for specific releases, like new editions of the game.

It's been two weeks for months now, and likely the foreseeable future.