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Honestly, I can't rule out GW's database just being frakked.

While on a long phone call, I've gone through and compared the Ultramarines - as the archetypal Space Marines to the Deathwatch, and found the following to be true.

Units in both
Spoiler:
Primaris Intercessors +
Honoured of the Chapter +
Primaris Eradicators +
Bladeguard Veterans +
Primaris Techmarine +
Primaris Reivers +
Primaris Captain +
Primaris Chaplain +
Primaris Aggressors +
Primaris Librarian +
Vanguard Veteran Squad +
Primaris Hellblasters +
Storm Speeder x 3 +
Hammerfall Bunker +
Primaris Repulsor (+ Executioner) +
Drop Pod +
Rhino +
Razorback +
Ven Dread +
Land Raider Redeemer +
Land Raider Crusader +
Land Raider +


Generic units in Ultramarines only
Spoiler:
Combat Patrol: Space Marines
Librarian in Terminator Armour
Kill Team: Phobos Strike Team
Heavy Intercessors
Captain with Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle
Tactical Squad
Eliminators
Primaris Inceptors
Terminator Assault Squad
Primaris Lieutenant in Reiver Armour
Centurion Devastator Squad
Centurion Assault Squad
Primaris Infiltrators
Primaris Incursors
Devastator Squad
Primaris Librarian in Phobos Armour
Captain in Phobos Armour
Primaris Lieutenant with Power Sword
Primaris Apothecary
Kill Team: Scout Squad
Heroes of the Chapter
Captain in Terminator Armour
Infernus Squad
Chaplain in Terminator Armour
Terminator Squad
Captain with Jump pack
Jump Pack Intercessors
Sternguard Veteran Squad
Company Heroes
Desolation Squad
Space Marines: Lieutentant
Predator Annihilator
Captain in Gravis Armour
Primaris Ancient
Predator Destructor
Primaris Redepmtor Dreadnought
Primaris Impulsor
Vindicator
Primaris Invictor Tactical Warsuit
Whirlwind
Ballistus Dreadnought
Brutalis Dreadnought
Captain with Relic Shield
Warhammer 40,000 Starter x 3
Stormtalon
Stormraven
Stormhawk
Lieutenant with Storm Shield


Generic units in Deathwatch only:
Spoiler:
Assault Intercessors
Gladiator Lancer (+ 2)
Outriders
Primaris Chaplain on Bike
Primaris Firestrike Servo-turret
Primaris Invader ATV


Ultramarines-only
Spoiler:
Codex: Space Marines (I checked the BA, and it doesn't appear on there, so this bracket rather than generic)
Roboute Guilliman
Marneus Calgar & Buddies
Chief Librarian Tigurius
Captain Uriel Ventris
Ultramarines Primaris Upgrades
Ultramarines Honour Guard
Ultramarines Upgrade Pack


Deathwatch-only
Spoiler:
Veterans
Kill Team Cassius
Watch Master
Deathwatch Upgrades
Corvus Blackstar


I hadn't realised the Index cards were still listed, so I'm surprised to find them missing for DW.

Basically, I don't see any pattern between what's present or missing for DW. Who knows what's going on there.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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 xttz wrote:

Given that influencers allegedly already have Imperial Agents stuff for review and GW are running out of previewed products to release, I suspect we're more likely to get another preview event before GenCon instead.


Another week, another AOS preorder. However there's a soft indication that the Agents codex will get unveiled via a WarCom article in the next few days:

Next week on Warhammer Community we’ll be revealing new miniatures and books – of the fiction and rules variety
   
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The Jokaero is marked as sold out online, but Inquisitor Coteaz is still up for sale.
   
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Imperial Agents confirmed!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/22/codex-imperial-agents-unleash-the-might-of-the-emperors-inquisition/

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Is that the navigator from Blackstone Fortress in the battle force box? Cool.
   
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Richmond, VA

Damn, Coteaz looks GOOD. That's a massive upgrade IMHO.


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semajnollissor wrote:
Is that the navigator from Blackstone Fortress in the battle force box? Cool.


Yeah, I hope they just recut all of the BSF figures as standalone releases now. I am still irked I missed out on the Crusader and Rogue Trader models.

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Really? He looks pretty damned awful compared to the original.
   
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Funny that they're just reusing ancient cover art, but at least it's good art.
   
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Suspected the Imperial Agents on the way but this is nice to see. I'm guessing there was a leak which has prompted this just dropping at random on a Monday?

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Taking the place of Necromonday is my guess, at least for now.

Will be cool to see Inquisition themed armies in the future.

Now….do similar for Chaos, or I poop through your letterbox, yes?

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The battleforces look interesting but I did have higher hopes for Coteaz...

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Taking the place of Necromonday is my guess, at least for now.

Will be cool to see Inquisition themed armies in the future.

Now….do similar for Chaos, or I poop through your letterbox, yes?


Yes, exactly. Just give us the Lost and Damned book already.
   
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Coteaz look a bit like another SM hero but with bird.
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Albany, NY

IA Codex seems like a huge improvement, but man oh man does Coteaz look bad.

   
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 Olthannon wrote:
Suspected the Imperial Agents on the way but this is nice to see. I'm guessing there was a leak which has prompted this just dropping at random on a Monday?


the rumor is, this is releasing very soon. apparently it's already in the hands of influencers for review


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anyway this is interesting. the talk about kill teams has me wondering if the rumor about kill teams getting cut is false, but we'll have to wait and see

GK codex confirmed, too

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Absolutely huge downgrade for Coteaz right there. The proportions look absolutely jank (although I am prepared to put that down to bad photography angle.), and completely lifeless looking head and fur.
While a lot of modern GW sculpts are over cluttered with detail, this is the exact opposite. Bland as bland can be.

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Coteaz is a massive downgrade.

Also, why have they given him those crazy thick Stormcast legs?

Edit:, also also, I notice that they don't show the back of the mini, I have to assume that it's because fur on a plastic mini usually looks bad

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The Ordos boxes are also interesting. Ordo Hereticus looks almost perfect as a Sisters of Battle addition with the priests and all nestled in there.

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Coteaz looks to me like he's wearing a set of Fallout power armor rather than Imperial gear.

   
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Ordo boxes
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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Coteaz is a massive downgrade.

Also, why have they given him those crazy thick Stormcast legs?


They've made the mistake of sculpting him with a body inside of the armour, instead of going for the usual route of having the armour be the body.
   
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Man, all they needed to do was bring this one up to date
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i'm usually inclined to be more positive about models when they're getting trashed by the community on release, but this is a massive glow-down. the old model shows its age, but only because of the paint job

maybe this will be a case where it looks better once it's in the hands of the community. and maybe also with a headswap

love the bird, tho!

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I am amazed they didn't at least roll out a plastic Inquisitor kit for this. Seems like the big missing piece for these armies.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Coteaz is awful.

The eagle is amazing though.
   
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This is the first new model in a long time where I can't see any improvement over the old version.

I like the old coat, the old head, the old armour, the old decorations and the old eagle (the pose at least) more than on the new version which is pretty much all there is. The hammer is the only other thing and while it just looks the same so not better or worse I liked the old pose more.

And even the proportions have something off about them.

What happened to all that bling he had? Now he only has the coat and the two inquisition symbols on his shoulder and waist. Other than that his armour is just a shiny blank space. I thought SM (and in turn PA models) were finally getting back some of their style back after the DA update

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It does look like he's had some plastic surgery done. Hopefully there's a helmeted version..

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London

Yikes, you can see why they didn't want to do a reveal show for that Coteaz.

That is... dire compared to the old model. Eesh. Moving the eagle off his arm was a bad thematic idea anyway, but I thought it would be better executed than that.

I guess we're gonna continue to get the Blackstone Fortress models parted out at huge expense rather than just do an MTO of the supplements :-(

The Hereticus box is interesting to me though.
   
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Coteaz's right armor looks like its merged with his armor. Maybe its the paint job, but it doesn't look like there's any separation

Kinda cool to see them repurpose the Blackstone Fortress models. Always liked the Navigator

Is that a 30k Tank in the Ordo Malleus set?

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So does this book replace codex deathwatch and codex gray knights (and SoB??) wholesale or is it an alternative book specifically for soup?

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