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 Dysartes wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

Not even a year, right?

still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)

If the issues that mean the edition is viewed as "unsalvageable" are core elements of the edition, then they're unlikely to be changed without an edition change.

Codex or datasheet issues might be looked at before then, but something like "No, upgrades don't cost points" or "No, you can't buy additional models individually" is very unlikely to be changed outside of an edition change.

shrug. i still think those were good changes

Different people are going to view different things as having differing levels of importance/impact.

Those two were ones I picked as examples of elements that would be very unlikely to be changed/fixed without an edition change, that's all. If you've been having such conversations about the edition being unsalvagable, I'm sure you've got other examples.

For me, the two examples were stupid changes. You, for some reason, think they were good changes. I'm not going to claim to know what proportion of the community would lean either way.

 Dysartes wrote:
Different people are going to view different things as having differing levels of importance/impact.

Those two were ones I picked as examples of elements that would be very unlikely to be changed/fixed without an edition change, that's all. If you've been having such conversations about the edition being unsalvagable, I'm sure you've got other examples.

For me, the two examples were stupid changes. You, for some reason, think they were good changes. I'm not going to claim to know what proportion of the community would lean either way.

codex and datasheet issues, as you said. i think codexes are the biggest issue with this edition (particularly, the struggle to make them feel meaningful), so if they can figure out, the edition can come back to being fine

 Matrindur wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

I think k it's that blood angels are getting a battleforce launch box w new primaris sanguinary guard + sanguinor, and Emperors children are within the next year or so w new Fulgrim and Noise Marines (which is kinda obvious so not sure what the value of that one is).

Be nice if people would summarize that stuff instead of assuming we are all up to date w his rumors.

Blood Angels:

Boxset with their codex, Death Company themed box
- New Upgrade Sprue
- Jump Assault Intercessors (Not sure how many)
- Brutalis Dreadnought
- New Lemartes Model
also new Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Astorath, new Sanguinor

Space Wolves:

Apparently SW vs Orks focus in 11th edition, Nothing concrete yet but will also get a big refresh like DA and BA.
Leman Russ should be coming first at the end of this edition like the Lion in 9th, maybe together with EC?

Emperors Children:

No concrete models but will get their own codex like TS, DG, WE. Will be at the back end of the edition

Also Genestealers:

Genestealers getting a single psyker character that looks similar to the necromunda Delaque Psyker
Also getting a boxset with 2x Goliath Rockgrinders and an unspecified number of Neophytes and "Hulking Brutes" which he probably meant the Aberrants with. No specific information if the new HQ is in here but its very likely looking at every other box.

Sisters of battle:

Sister of Battle get a new Canoness with Jump Pack and the boxset will have Seraphim/Zephyrim and two tanks but no info which tank.

Grey Knights:

Getting a vehicle - heard it could be an upgraded baby carrier (please no)
Also Kaldor Draigo

Aeldari:

Asurman, Baharroth, Fuegan, new Warp Spiders lord
Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders

Astra Militarum:

big Krieg refresh

I'm sure I missed something but this should be the most important things for 40k

No rumours about World Eaters? Their half an army surely needs a ton of support.

 Matrindur wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

 kodos wrote:

might also just be speculation as with Russ coming end of 10th that SW get a focus in 11th and must be against Orks because of the last Ragnar story

Just to temper expectations the SW vs Orks focus doesn't necessarily need to be the big launch box focus. It would actually make more sense if its more of a lore focus that comes after whatever is the big one for the launch.

Since Orks already got a big refresh last edition they wouldn't really need another big one from a launch set, at least other factions would need it more. And while there will of course be Space Marines in the launch set its unlikely to be SW as they always did vanilla marines for launch sets since 8th. Something like Dark Angels this edition where Leman Russ appears at the end of 10th and then a refresh wave as one of the early codexes makes more sense. And the "vs Orks" part could just be lore or a vs-boxset

I don't think any faction after 10th will be leaning too heavily on old minis at that point, I think it'll leave drukhari with the oldest active range tied with grey knights and chunks of daemons, but as we know grey knights won't get in a launch box....

as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?

Not even a year, right?

still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)

If the issues that mean the edition is viewed as "unsalvageable" are core elements of the edition, then they're unlikely to be changed without an edition change.

Codex or datasheet issues might be looked at before then, but something like "No, upgrades don't cost points" or "No, you can't buy additional models individually" is very unlikely to be changed outside of an edition change.

shrug. i still think those were good changes

Strong disagree.

When points AND power coexisted, it wasn't a big deal. If you prefer power levels, use them. If you prefer points, use them.
But restricting it to just power really grates on me.

If 11th edition is slated for 2026 in GW's current "three year cycle," I wonder what the big summer push will be in 2025?

The Old World got a softer launch than many expected in terms of hype and starter support. I expect it would be Horus Heresy, but they do so many launch boxes that it takes a bit of the punch out of the hype – replacing the Age of Darkness box would make sense, but are there enough players to warrant a rules rewrite so soon?

The Specialist Games Studio titles have never got new editions every three years so I doubt that will happen, they will probably just aim to do bunch of big army launches. Maybe some boxed games - Space Hulk is bound to come back at some point and is basically free money for GW, and they are probably at a place now they can finally sell you expensive plastic corridors to play it on and we will buy those (and I would). Battlefleet Gothic keeps knocking around as a rumour etc.

 flaherty wrote:
If 11th edition is slated for 2026 in GW's current "three year cycle," I wonder what the big summer push will be in 2025?

Apocalypse has been done every six years in 2007, 2013, 2019... so 2025?

Would be a good excuse to drop a bunch of expensive plastic centrepiece models again

 flaherty wrote:
If 11th edition is slated for 2026 in GW's current "three year cycle," I wonder what the big summer push will be in 2025?

Blood Bowl or Necromunda, possibly - or launching BFG, maybe?

If GW were really hard pushing Old World they could do that with a soft launch. A 0.5 edition perhaps shifting into Battletomes per army. But that would only be if they've got all the currently scheduled armies out and that's still a tall order for only a year and a half or so of release windows.

They've still got Kisleve and Cathay in the main book so there's every chances they could be some end-of-season big final release after all the older armies are done.

Need some help, as I’m being quite incredibly thick.

But where would I find the rules for Chaos Knights?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Need some help, as I’m being quite incredibly thick.

But where would I find the rules for Chaos Knights?

Wrong thread, I think, but you can download their index on warcomm.

 xttz wrote:

 flaherty wrote:
If 11th edition is slated for 2026 in GW's current "three year cycle," I wonder what the big summer push will be in 2025?

Apocalypse has been done every six years in 2007, 2013, 2019... so 2025?

Would be a good excuse to drop a bunch of expensive plastic centrepiece models again

Centerpiece models and maybe some related kits like fire dragons and tankbustas.

 kodos wrote:
as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff

Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff

Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.

really?
how to they manage to have 20 year old kits in the line when the decision on updates is based on something like that
lets ignore Space Marines for now, but how is it possible to have 3 armies running on pre-6th Edition kits when armies running on post 6th Edi kits got their models already updated?

the decision is more based on what ranges are selling and which moulds are "end of life" rather than how old the models are or of the range itself needs an update

if the newer Ork moulds are worn out and the army being popular enough that GW expect more sales, they will get new models, if GW does not expect any sales and still has stock, another faction will get the production slot

age or design is not a factor on decisions just because there are 3 armies left with old kits does not mean any of that must get an update

 xttz wrote:

Apocalypse has been done every six years in 2007, 2013, 2019... so 2025?

Would be a good excuse to drop a bunch of expensive plastic centrepiece models again

I still believe in the plastic Thunderhawk. I've only waited for 17 years, what's a few more? :-P

 kodos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff

Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.

really?
how to they manage to have 20 year old kits in the line when the decision on updates is based on something like that
lets ignore Space Marines for now, but how is it possible to have 3 armies running on pre-6th Edition kits when armies running on post 6th Edi kits got their models already updated?

the decision is more based on what ranges are selling and which moulds are "end of life" rather than how old the models are or of the range itself needs an update

if the newer Ork moulds are worn out and the army being popular enough that GW expect more sales, they will get new models, if GW does not expect any sales and still has stock, another faction will get the production slot

age or design is not a factor on decisions just because there are 3 armies left with old kits does not mean any of that must get an update

Which 6th ed+ kits have had a refresh? I can only think of chaos terminators off the top of my head.

Otherwise we'll have to agree to disagree, sales will be a factor but they're also responsive to people wanting updated minis and languishing ranges getting updates (see targeted refresh of older kits for sisters, crons, tyranids, guard, eldar, tau and chaos marines), or do you suppose it was chance the old core infantry keep getting revisited?

If Russ is coming back from the eye of terror, and end up fighting greenskins, someone need to write down the pompous prophecies about him returning for the great endtimes (sorry, Wolftime).
Would be a funny retcon though, "Oh, Russ have been here for a while now, its just that the orks know him as the savage ogre king that have inspiered the beast snaggas".

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Apocalypse has been done every six years in 2007, 2013, 2019... so 2025?

Would be a good excuse to drop a bunch of expensive plastic centrepiece models again

I still believe in the plastic Thunderhawk. I've only waited for 17 years, what's a few more? :-P

Thunderhawk would be a massive investment in resources, but could probably carry a Marine wave on its own (or maybe a couple characters alongside) Plus later upgrade kits for chaos marines and subfactions, grey knights, and legion upgrades for Horus Heresy since it is iconic enough that it can play double duty across the two systems, even if GW is trying to distinguish them.

Or a Warhound titan, with a points drop in 40K to make it runnable, and rules adjustments in HH to make it actually shooty.

Alas, for all of its iconic status in many stories and descriptions, the Thunderhawk isn't that practical in game. The needs of gamers might be better served if they were to give us a plastic Mastodon or Astraeus instead, or a smaller flyer like a Fire Raptor (bonus points if they could redesign the Storm Raven while they were at it).

Or a Caestus. That's still one of my favorite Forge World designs.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Alas, for all of its iconic status in many stories and descriptions, the Thunderhawk isn't that practical in game. The needs of gamers might be better served if they were to give us a plastic Mastodon or Astraeus instead, or a smaller flyer like a Fire Raptor (bonus points if they could redesign the Storm Raven while they were at it).

Or a Caestus. That's still one of my favorite Forge World designs.

Storm Eagle/ Fire Raptor would be a nice HH kit once they get around to doing fliers for it. I can't see the Mastadon coming before the Felblade/Glaive though for HH, and the Astraeus is okish, but would take up nearly as much resources as a thunderhawk while being less iconic and having a lot less cross sales potential. And especially collectors.



If the storm raven gets redesigned/ replaced, can we trade out the dumb razor/sun shark fir a proper tau barracuda kit?

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff

Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.

really?
how to they manage to have 20 year old kits in the line when the decision on updates is based on something like that
lets ignore Space Marines for now, but how is it possible to have 3 armies running on pre-6th Edition kits when armies running on post 6th Edi kits got their models already updated?

the decision is more based on what ranges are selling and which moulds are "end of life" rather than how old the models are or of the range itself needs an update

if the newer Ork moulds are worn out and the army being popular enough that GW expect more sales, they will get new models, if GW does not expect any sales and still has stock, another faction will get the production slot

age or design is not a factor on decisions just because there are 3 armies left with old kits does not mean any of that must get an update

Which 6th ed+ kits have had a refresh? I can only think of chaos terminators off the top of my head.

Otherwise we'll have to agree to disagree, sales will be a factor but they're also responsive to people wanting updated minis and languishing ranges getting updates (see targeted refresh of older kits for sisters, crons, tyranids, guard, eldar, tau and chaos marines), or do you suppose it was chance the old core infantry keep getting revisited?

Chaos Terminators were earlier than 6th, more like 4th or 5th editions. 6th edition brought Dinobots, Heldrake, Cultists and raptors.
Some of the failcast that got replaced might have been from 6th edition, like the Warpsmith.
I don’t think outside of Space Marines there have been renewels of plastic kits from 6th edition, yet. Edit: well, Cultists have, but they were ETB starter set models. (And got replaced by other ETB starter kit models ).

If people are curious and want to do the legwork, here is a good collection of minis release by army, split by edition.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Portal:Miniatures

 Nevelon wrote:
If people are curious and want to do the legwork, here is a good collection of minis release by army, split by edition.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Portal:Miniatures

I second using these lists, they are generally great. Have the occasional mistake though.

 Fayric wrote:
If Russ is coming back from the eye of terror, and end up fighting greenskins, someone need to write down the pompous prophecies about him returning for the great endtimes (sorry, Wolftime).
Would be a funny retcon though, "Oh, Russ have been here for a while now, its just that the orks know him as the savage ogre king that have inspiered the beast snaggas".

Leman Russ as the Kragnos of 40K. Interesting...

 Nevelon wrote:
If people are curious and want to do the legwork, here is a good collection of minis release by army, split by edition.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Portal:Miniatures

definitely an invaluable resource for looking into old minis


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not super in love with what my armies got. genestealer goliaths going down a lot is nice because i use a lot of those which means i have an extra 100 or so points to fill up on, but custodes got barely any changes (despite it all being marked as such). blade champions down 10 and contemptors down 15 are the only ones i noticed


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warcom wrote:Points costs across the Adeptus Mechanicus have dropped – but the Warhammer Studio are also testing a selection of rules changes to launch with the next Balance Dataslate that should tune up the Machine Cult’s legions and give them a shot in the cybernetic arm.

this stood out to me. really wonder what these rules updates are going to be, and if it can be enough to save admech

 Fayric wrote:

Would be a funny retcon though, "Oh, Russ have been here for a while now, its just that the orks know him as the savage ogre king that have inspiered the beast snaggas".

Turns out Russ was Ranulf all along.

 Dysartes wrote:

 flaherty wrote:
If 11th edition is slated for 2026 in GW's current "three year cycle," I wonder what the big summer push will be in 2025?

Blood Bowl or Necromunda, possibly - or launching BFG, maybe?

I'm calling it now - Dread Fleet 2.0!