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 Haighus wrote:
Its a very pretty model. Hopefully means new Fire Dragons too.

If rumours track then this is the case.

Dudeface wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Its a very pretty model. Hopefully means new Fire Dragons too.

If rumours track then this is the case.

So that would leave us at 3/6 plastic Phoenix lords and 7/9 plastic Aspects (not counting the FW Aspect and lord). They really need to do Karandras, that one missing is weird.

 Haighus wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Its a very pretty model. Hopefully means new Fire Dragons too.

If rumours track then this is the case.

So that would leave us at 3/6 plastic Phoenix lords and 7/9 plastic Aspects (not counting the FW Aspect and lord). They really need to do Karandras, that one missing is weird.

The road map heavily hinted at swooping hawks. This model heavily hints at Fire dragons. I can't believe they'd do both of those and not do the warp spiders again.
I'm pretty confident that we'll see all the non forge world aspects in plastic next year.
They could decide to milk the Phoenix lords for a while. It wouldn't surprise me if Karandras is saved to be the single hero to go with the 11th edition book.

Chikout wrote:
They could decide to milk the Phoenix lords for a while. It wouldn't surprise me if Karandras is saved to be the single hero to go with the 11th edition book.

Or a battleforce/ battle box release.

Warp spiders do deserve a new kit, bless their little cottons.

If the new Fuegan model is anything to go by, they'll be a great refresh.

Chikout wrote:
The road map heavily hinted at swooping hawks. This model heavily hints at Fire dragons. I can't believe they'd do both of those and not do the warp spiders again.

Based on their treatment of the Spiders since their initial release, I can - and I can also believe they'd release another new Aspect, and redo the Dark Reapers yet again before they'd even consider doing anything with the Aspect, unfortunately.

I know there was the story going around of Karandras being missed accidentally when the Scorpions were being done - has there been any follow-up to confirm/deny that tidbit, because it is amusing.

 Dysartes wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The road map heavily hinted at swooping hawks. This model heavily hints at Fire dragons. I can't believe they'd do both of those and not do the warp spiders again.

Based on their treatment of the Spiders since their initial release, I can - and I can also believe they'd release another new Aspect, and redo the Dark Reapers yet again before they'd even consider doing anything with the Aspect, unfortunately.

I know there was the story going around of Karandras being missed accidentally when the Scorpions were being done - has there been any follow-up to confirm/deny that tidbit, because it is amusing.

I could see it potentially happening by mixing Karandas up with Ahra who left, so no need for a Phoenix Lord for Scorpions, and then inertia taking over on the decision.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The road map heavily hinted at swooping hawks. This model heavily hints at Fire dragons. I can't believe they'd do both of those and not do the warp spiders again.

Based on their treatment of the Spiders since their initial release, I can - and I can also believe they'd release another new Aspect, and redo the Dark Reapers yet again before they'd even consider doing anything with the Aspect, unfortunately.

I know there was the story going around of Karandras being missed accidentally when the Scorpions were being done - has there been any follow-up to confirm/deny that tidbit, because it is amusing.

I could see it potentially happening by mixing Karandas up with Ahra who left, so no need for a Phoenix Lord for Scorpions, and then inertia taking over on the decision.

Or someone got him mixed up with the Kessandras system from Hivestorm.

Karandras will probably be released when they release striking scorpions for 40k main game.
Right now they are just a kill team box, and not listed among the other craftworlders.
I know, for anyone playing Eldar its not much of a difference, but GW probably make a big deal out of it. (and reduce the box to a 5 men squad)

New Valrak rumours:

Reiterating Eldar rumours, the new thing is that the Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord is apparently called Leceas? You can listen to how he pronounced it here.

Space Wolves: Logan Grimnar without sled, instead surrounded by Wolves, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and a generic Wolf Priest

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Reiterating Eldar rumours, the new thing is that the Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord is apparently called Leceas? You can listen to how he pronounced it here.

Space Wolves: Logan Grimnar without sled, instead surrounded by Wolves, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and a generic Wolf Priest

That's more characters than I thought they'd get. The real question is: How many of their exclusive units survive? I can see all of their not-Tactical, not-Assault, and not-Devastator squads vanishing.

Hopefully they get a Wulfen kit that doesn't look like Russ' hairy backside.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Reiterating Eldar rumours, the new thing is that the Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord is apparently called Leceas? You can listen to how he pronounced it here.

Space Wolves: Logan Grimnar without sled, instead surrounded by Wolves, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and a generic Wolf Priest

That's more characters than I thought they'd get. The real question is: How many of their exclusive units survive? I can see all of their not-Tactical, not-Assault, and not-Devastator squads vanishing.

Hopefully they get a Wulfen kit that doesn't look like Russ' hairy backside.

They're all virtually renamed versions of those units anyway. Grey hunters don't get heavy weapons, but apart from that, they are equipped like the others. In 2nd ed they were even less different weaponwise, even if they all had WS5.

They really need to go back to the metal Eye of Terror wulfen designs. Those looked so much cooler than the weird beastman hybrid things we have currently.

I still want some Wulfy McWolfFace armed with a Wolf Axe and Lupus Shield and a Wolf Pistol shooting Wolf Bullets or something...

 Malika2 wrote:
I still want some Wulfy McWolfFace armed with a Wolf Axe and Lupus Shield and a Wolf Pistol shooting Wolf Bullets or something...

Howler Rounds

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Reiterating Eldar rumours, the new thing is that the Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord is apparently called Leceas? You can listen to how he pronounced it here.

Space Wolves: Logan Grimnar without sled, instead surrounded by Wolves, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and a generic Wolf Priest

So the current possible contender for Warp Spider Phoenix Lord is Lhykosidae, the Wraith Spider. That could be what Valrak is referring to and there are similarities in what he said and the existing name. However, I would not be surprised if GW chose to quietly ignore that bit of lore alongside everything else written by C.S Goto.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Reiterating Eldar rumours, the new thing is that the Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord is apparently called Leceas? You can listen to how he pronounced it here.

Space Wolves: Logan Grimnar without sled, instead surrounded by Wolves, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and a generic Wolf Priest

That's more characters than I thought they'd get. The real question is: How many of their exclusive units survive? I can see all of their not-Tactical, not-Assault, and not-Devastator squads vanishing.

Hopefully they get a Wulfen kit that doesn't look like Russ' hairy backside.

They're all virtually renamed versions of those units anyway. Grey hunters don't get heavy weapons, but apart from that, they are equipped like the others. In 2nd ed they were even less different weaponwise, even if they all had WS5.

They really need to go back to the metal Eye of Terror wulfen designs. Those looked so much cooler than the weird beastman hybrid things we have currently.

Grey hunters have bolter and chainsword, unlike the vanilla tacticals, and used to have counter attack function. SW typically dont have super uniqe units, just the ability to take unusual weapons combinations. Like scouts beeing just usual scouts, exept they could mix in more special weapons and counted as Elite rather than troops. And the option to take a terminator as unit leader/mentor for PA infantry. Most of this would be easy to cover with a single upgrade sprue of extra weapons for your basic primaris units.

Long Fangs used to be able to split fire, so they lost their thing long ago when every other unit got the same ability.

 Malika2 wrote:
I still want some Wulfy McWolfFace armed with a Wolf Axe and Lupus Shield and a Wolf Pistol shooting Wolf Bullets or something...

Fur Missiles

 Fayric wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Reiterating Eldar rumours, the new thing is that the Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord is apparently called Leceas? You can listen to how he pronounced it here.

Space Wolves: Logan Grimnar without sled, instead surrounded by Wolves, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and a generic Wolf Priest

That's more characters than I thought they'd get. The real question is: How many of their exclusive units survive? I can see all of their not-Tactical, not-Assault, and not-Devastator squads vanishing.

Hopefully they get a Wulfen kit that doesn't look like Russ' hairy backside.

They're all virtually renamed versions of those units anyway. Grey hunters don't get heavy weapons, but apart from that, they are equipped like the others. In 2nd ed they were even less different weaponwise, even if they all had WS5.

They really need to go back to the metal Eye of Terror wulfen designs. Those looked so much cooler than the weird beastman hybrid things we have currently.

Grey hunters have bolter and chainsword, unlike the vanilla tacticals, and used to have counter attack function. SW typically dont have super uniqe units, just the ability to take unusual weapons combinations. Like scouts beeing just usual scouts, exept they could mix in more special weapons and counted as Elite rather than troops. And the option to take a terminator as unit leader/mentor for PA infantry. Most of this would be easy to cover with a single upgrade sprue of extra weapons for your basic primaris units.

Long Fangs used to be able to split fire, so they lost their thing long ago when every other unit got the same ability.

They've been represented differently across all editions, so it's not really a 'standard' load our for them. In 2nd ed grey hunters were WS5 and could all take powerfists alongside their bolters and bolt pistols. they could take one special weapon. Blood claws were just assault marines with WS5 and double attacks on the charge. In 3rd ed grey hunters were just tacticals that couldn't take a heavy weapon, had bolters and had true grit, which meant they could get an extra attack but no bonus for charging. Blood claws were just assault marines with an extra attack on the charge. They got a special rule that allowed them to move after being charged so they could get more attacks.

In 5th ed they took away true grit and just gave them a pistol and ccw so hunters just had more attacks. They weren't specifically a chainsword, just as reivers use big daggers.

In 8th grey hunters were tacticals that could take a chainsword to get an extra attack. They could then take 2 special weapons instead of one. They had no counter attack, no true grit.

Now in 10th hunters can all have a chainsword and 2 special weapons and can suddenly shoot in the turn they fell back.


They are just tacticals that get fun bling and different rules depending on how the designers are feeling at the time. Grey hunter intercessors will be no different.

 Hellebore wrote:
In 3rd ed grey hunters were just tacticals that couldn't take a heavy weapon, had bolters and had true grit, which meant they could get an extra attack but no bonus for charging.

Bolters were optional and they could still take power fists (in addition to other options).

No One Important wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
In 3rd ed grey hunters were just tacticals that couldn't take a heavy weapon, had bolters and had true grit, which meant they could get an extra attack but no bonus for charging.

Bolters were optional and they could still take power fists (in addition to other options).

Yeah but in 2nd ed every model in the unit could have a powerfist.... in 3rd up to 2 models could take them, which is basically just two 5 man squads with sergeants. They lost their plasma pistol option later in the editions.

The point is that space wolves are really not that unique (like every marine chapter) and so the primarising of them with their coming codex won't actually change them much at all. Most of their actual uniqueness was in the special rules the unit was given, which as I outlined has changed almost every edition...

New Space Wolves rumors from Valrak:
To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest
New rumours: New lieutenant with multiple weapon options, sounds like its a Space Wolves specific one?
HQ guard unit, three models like Bladeguard with wolves as part of the unit.
New SW Scouts, again with a wolf as part of the unit.
New Terminator Wolf Guard.
New Blood Claws and Grey Hunters.

Heard nothing about Dreadnoughts or Bjorn

I'd hope Murderfang and Bjorn don't get an update. Redemptors burn their hosts out and Bjorn's chasis is iconic

Blood Angels and Dark Angels didn't get Dreadnoughts with their releases either - maybe they'll all get variants with their 11th ed. releases.

To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest

People are missing the key question here, will Logan and Njal survive the incredibly difficult and arduous crossing of the Rubicon Primaris!?

It is an extremely dangerous process and few live to see the other side!

I bet all of Kid Kyoto's unpainted models that they are Primaris-ified!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest

People are missing the key question here, will Logan and Njal survive the incredibly difficult and arduous crossing of the Rubicon Primaris!?

It is an extremely dangerous process and few live to see the other side!

Not sure if you're aware but somewhere in the past edition or so the narrative "advanced" and it was stated that the process of crossing the Rubicon primaris was improved by Cawl and it's now much less risky, as such more and more marines are being converted and chapter heroes and leaders are crossing it as there's no longer as much concern about losing their expertise, skills, and experience to a medical accident or whatever

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest

People are missing the key question here, will Logan and Njal survive the incredibly difficult and arduous crossing of the Rubicon Primaris!?

It is an extremely dangerous process and few live to see the other side!

Not sure if you're aware but somewhere in the past edition or so the narrative "advanced" and it was stated that the process of crossing the Rubicon primaris was improved by Cawl and it's now much less risky, as such more and more marines are being converted and chapter heroes and leaders are crossing it as there's no longer as much concern about losing their expertise, skills, and experience to a medical accident or whatever

Where was this stated, and what was stated exactly to indicate this is now the case?

So to be honest I don't remember exactly where, but my recollection was that it was either in a warcom article or on one of the livestreams. I vaguely recall Eddie, I think, saying it but might be misremembering.

I know that it coincided with either the announcement or release of a primarisified character, it might have actually been Dante or Calgar maybe? I know much ado was made about it, and specifically it was stated that experienced heros of the space marines had been reluctant to cross because of the risks posed to their chapters and the imperium as a whole if they were to be lost during the procedure, so it was mostly rank and file guys doing it and the rare officer who was willing to do it under exceptional circumstances, but now that Cawl had refined or improved the process more would be crossing over as it was no longer risky and the benefits were worth it.

According to Lexicanum it was in the third Dark Imperium novel, Godblight, that it was stated the procedure had become much safer, citing chapters 1 and 5.

nothing special, GW writing the background to fit the model releases and it was just a question of time until the move the named heroes over with a small backdoor for doing others first and/or leave some behind if needed