Warhammer 40k news and rumours. More Space Wolves revealed pg. 185

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**chaos0xomega**

Valrak for a long time had like a 0% accuracy rate on rumors - that might be a bit of an exaggeration but the point is he was often very wrong and spread absolute bull through the community because he would share utter nonsense and newcomers assumed it was real because he was popular and had a big soapbox/megaphone. Him being mostly right is a relatively recent phenomenon over the past couple years.

**Matrindur**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Valrak for a long time had like a 0% accuracy rate on rumors - that might be a bit of an exaggeration but the point is he was often very wrong and spread absolute bull through the community because he would share utter nonsense and newcomers assumed it was real because he was popular and had a big soapbox/megaphone. Him being mostly right is a relatively recent phenomenon over the past couple years.

That could certainly be true, but I started following him during 8th and since then (especially since 9th started) he has a very good track record. Since he just parrots what his sources tell him a low accuracy before that isn't relevant to a good accuracy now as its very likely different sources.
And even if many people dislike him he is still one of the biggest rumourmongers nowadays so it also makes sense that trustworthy sources would come to him. If you'd want to leak something you wouldn't go to some nobody that no one knows, you'd go to a well known person that could either give you money or attention for your leaks.

**drbored**

Valrak is a content creator first and foremost. He's deep in the algorithm, and knows that he's gotta make x number of videos at y amount of length in z intervals of time in order to hit the algorithm just right.

So, whether it's real stuff or fake stuff, why bother looking it up when he's gotta make another video to put out? If it's wrong, he can make an apology video and hit the algorithm. If he's right he can make a celebration video to hit the algorithm. If it ends up not being confirmed one way or another he'll make a secondary video revisiting the topic to hit the algorithm.

Why work harder when people feed you the slop that you can then sling at youtube?

**Greenfield**

xttz wrote:

I expect GW's new plan is the latter. They've finally figured out that boxes like Eldritch Omens aren't the best way to dsitribute new models in a bundle, because customers are put off over paying for a second faction that they don't collect.

Instead I suspect the next few codexes will get a schedule like this:
1) Release the codex alongside a limited Battleforce-style box that contains a new unit, such as this Mek guy
2) A little while later, release that model separately alongside an updated CP box

This way anyone inspired by the codex release can get 1000pts+ at a discounted price and is more likely to take the leap. Anyone already collecting that faction might be tempted to buy more than just the one new unit.

Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

**drbored**

Greenfield wrote:
xttz wrote:

I expect GW's new plan is the latter. They've finally figured out that boxes like Eldritch Omens aren't the best way to dsitribute new models in a bundle, because customers are put off over paying for a second faction that they don't collect.

Instead I suspect the next few codexes will get a schedule like this:
1) Release the codex alongside a limited Battleforce-style box that contains a new unit, such as this Mek guy
2) A little while later, release that model separately alongside an updated CP box

This way anyone inspired by the codex release can get 1000pts+ at a discounted price and is more likely to take the leap. Anyone already collecting that faction might be tempted to buy more than just the one new unit.

Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

Lion El'Johnson releasing with Bladeguard Veterans.

All the Arks of Omens box sets releasing originally along Farsight, Snikrot, and others.

All the AoS Dawnbringer box sets that have one new model and a bunch of other models before splitting them off individually.

They may not be humongous Battleforce boxes (200+ dollar box sets released around holiday time) but likely smaller boxes with thematic units like we've seen for end-of-edition stuff to help promote army growth. You do save some money on those, at least from what we've seen.

**xttz**

Greenfield wrote:
Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

This theory is based on earlier Valrak rumours too, rather than anything in the past. He specifically mentioned:
Kroot will come in an army box with new models (like DA). A complementary Tau CP box is listed above.
Custodes box with new HQ, but too much stuff for a normal CP set
CSM get two boxed sets; a new terminator lord with terminators, and a new jump pack HQ with daemon oriented units (it's unclear if one of these is a new CP box)
Now he's also saying similar things about Orks and Sisters.

Seems like they don't plan on selling just single models with codexes at release, even if that's all that is new.

**H.B.M.C.**

I think they said early on that they wanted to mix releases up a bit compared to the pattern they'd entered into with the past couple of editions.

So rather than a case of either getting tons of new models, or a single token character, some Codices will get lots of stuff (Tyranids, Dark Angels), others will get next to nothing (AdMech), whereas others could end up getting a few new models (like Necrons just did).

I think that's better, as it means that if your Codex isn't getting the "range refresh" treatment, there's a decent chance that it'll be more than [Your Faction's Primaris Lieutenant Equivalent].

**drbored**

We saw that with AoS. You had some modest releases like Sylvaneth and the new Orruks, then small releases like Fyreslayers and Kharadron, and then the big ones like Seraphon and Cities.

Having those medium updates that's a unit or two and a leader is really good.

**H.B.M.C.**

Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

**Sgt. Cortez**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

Imagine the great Lord/sorceror terminator kit being replaced by a monopose and Dark Eldar still getting nothing... At least Dark Eldar will get a monopose character, too.

**MajorWesJanson**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

Imagine the great Lord/sorceror terminator kit being replaced by a monopose and Dark Eldar still getting nothing... At least Dark Eldar will get a monopose character, too.

A monopose character will still be like a 20% increase in the number of characters DE have in total.

Better case is a new box with say a new urien rakharth, a new 3 model grotesque kit, a set of wracks, a venom and a pain engine as a coven box set.

Best case would be that plus porting the Tantalus to plastic in place of the dais of destruction with options for Vect or a high archon on a throne or foot. And mandrakes.

**Sgt. Cortez**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also means that the Dark Eldar might actually get a new miniature this edition!

Imagine the great Lord/sorceror terminator kit being replaced by a monopose and Dark Eldar still getting nothing... At least Dark Eldar will get a monopose character, too.

A monopose character will still be like a 20% increase in the number of characters DE have in total.

Better case is a new box with say a new urien rakharth, a new 3 model grotesque kit, a set of wracks, a venom and a pain engine as a coven box set.

Best case would be that plus porting the Tantalus to plastic in place of the dais of destruction with options for Vect or a high archon on a throne or foot. And mandrakes.

That would be nice and despite my cynical post before I think something like that is going to happen within then next 1-3 years, just not yet, because have no rumours for that. Personally I view Dark Eldar more as a mid-edition update like CSM and Eldar got during the last editions. I don't think GW would put them in an edition starter with loads of kits.

**H.B.M.C.**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
... a new 3 model grotesque kit...

I would love that.

**Matrindur**

Valrak Blood Angels rumours:
He himself is sceptical about this rumours so take this with even more salt than usual

New boxset for them, no idea about content
New Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Lemartes, new Astorath, new Sanguinor

**Scottywan82**

Wow! That would be a wild boxed set if it happened.

**Dudeface**

Matrindur wrote:
Valrak Blood Angels rumours:
He himself is sceptical about this rumours so take this with even more salt than usual

New boxset for them,
New Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Lemartes, new Astorath, new Sanguinor

I've not listened to it but in text if be careful to not assume that's an implied list of contents and the box is separate?

**chaos0xomega**

If there was a new box set, it would make sense that it would include the Sanguinary Guard as theres not much else that would warrant a distinct Blood Angels flavored sculpt. If the box includes Sanguinary Guard, it makes sense to include a Sanguinary Priest, and also makes sense to include Sanguinor. Astorath and Lemartes Im not sure about.

**Lord Damocles**

Why would the Blood Angels themselves even want to Primarisise Lemartes? Dude's a total loon since Ward got his hands on him in 5th ed.

And GW aren't going to want to continue with some Firstborn models.

**Fayric**

The sanguinary piest is already more or less primaris size, but I guess they could do with a priest with jump pack option.
Lemartes is cool, but dont make sense in a box with Sanguinary guard and Astorath (double chappy setup).

Would be cool if the sanguinary guard instead had option to equip one guy with narthesium.

Oh, and I would really like to trade all those named characters for Brother Corbulo.

**skeleton**

Lemartes would make sens if there where primaris deathcompagny with jumppacks.

**Greenfield**

drbored wrote:
Greenfield wrote:
xttz wrote:

I expect GW's new plan is the latter. They've finally figured out that boxes like Eldritch Omens aren't the best way to dsitribute new models in a bundle, because customers are put off over paying for a second faction that they don't collect.

Instead I suspect the next few codexes will get a schedule like this:
1) Release the codex alongside a limited Battleforce-style box that contains a new unit, such as this Mek guy
2) A little while later, release that model separately alongside an updated CP box

This way anyone inspired by the codex release can get 1000pts+ at a discounted price and is more likely to take the leap. Anyone already collecting that faction might be tempted to buy more than just the one new unit.

Has that happened for any of the single figure releases? Didn't happen for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think the strategy you describe is there, but it seems to be more for the armies receiving updates to a number of units – Dark Angels, and recently Flesheater Courts, Seraphon for Age of Sigmar, and so on.

Lion El'Johnson releasing with Bladeguard Veterans.

All the Arks of Omens box sets releasing originally along Farsight, Snikrot, and others.

All the AoS Dawnbringer box sets that have one new model and a bunch of other models before splitting them off individually.

They may not be humongous Battleforce boxes (200+ dollar box sets released around holiday time) but likely smaller boxes with thematic units like we've seen for end-of-edition stuff to help promote army growth. You do save some money on those, at least from what we've seen.

Yep, you're right. Thanks for the reply.

**Dudeface**

I did the due diligence:

He lists named characters that sources suggest might get models. This is not in strict conjunction with a box set.

He predicts BA late this year, but has guard down as the last 40k release this year.

**BorderCountess**

Looks like they stealth-dropped a Necrons FAQ.

**Matrindur**

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow! That would be a wild boxed set if it happened.

Dudeface wrote:I've not listened to it but in text if be careful to not assume that's an implied list of contents and the box is separate?

chaos0xomega wrote:If there was a new box set, it would make sense that it would include the Sanguinary Guard as theres not much else that would warrant a distinct Blood Angels flavored sculpt. If the box includes Sanguinary Guard, it makes sense to include a Sanguinary Priest, and also makes sense to include Sanguinor. Astorath and Lemartes Im not sure about.

Yeah sorry should have been more accurate, he didn't know what will be in the boxset.
Those for sure aren't all in the boxset. I'm sure some of them will be, same as the DA one, just not all of them.

**diepotato47**

Thinking back on Blood Angels and when they might get a new release, if we look at past codex releases (going back as long as I’ve been collecting), we can see a bit of a pattern emerge:

Blood Angels 7th Ed Codex Dec 2014
Blood Angels 8th Ed Codex Dec 2017
Psychic Awakening: Blood of Baal Dec 2019
Blood Angels 9th Ed Codex Supplement Dec 2020

While GW is not bound to precedent, should we maybe be thinking any Blood Angel release will not be likely until the very end of a given year?

**tneva82**

Lord Damocles wrote:
Why would the Blood Angels themselves even want to Primarisise Lemartes? Dude's a total loon since Ward got his hands on him in 5th ed.

And GW aren't going to want to continue with some Firstborn models.

You answered on the 2nd line. They don't want to continue with firstborn model. Got to sell new one.

**Lord Damocles**

tneva82 wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
Why would the Blood Angels themselves even want to Primarisise Lemartes? Dude's a total loon since Ward got his hands on him in 5th ed.

And GW aren't going to want to continue with some Firstborn models.

You answered on the 2nd line. They don't want to continue with firstborn model. Got to sell new one.

That would explain GW's real-world motive, but my point was that it would make less than no sense in-universe for the Blood Angels to do it.

**tneva82**

In-universe is what GW makes. There's no external in-universe that GW is beholden. If GW decides so Horus comes out of death as a champion of Blood Angels and that's all the in-universe reason needed for it.

Blood angels want primaris loon. There. In-universe reason why blood angels want it.

**xttz**

There's no rule that upscaled marines always means Primaris. Obviously Crowe wouldn't get the rubicon treatment but still got a larger model, and there was also the Black Templar character which could be used as either firstborn or primaris (when the rules cared about that). Terminators can also be either in the fluff.

It's plausible they can just release plastic Lemartes++ and not acknowledge the change in the fluff, like when CSM possessed models got bigger.

**H.B.M.C.**

Until all GKs become Primaris, and they hand-wave him to be Primaris as well.