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 Dysartes wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
How long after Christmas does the Red Gobbo Balance Data Sheet come out? Boxing Day?

...what are you babbling on about this time?

Babbling? Nothing.

Simply pointing out that while these detachments seem great, the new 10th Ed. META says that soon they will change them for tourney balance purposes.

So while it is exciting to see something new, I can't help but wonder how long it will last in this current interation.

The joke was, after the Red Gobbo Advent Calendar... when will the (inevitable) meta-induced update be released.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
How long after Christmas does the Red Gobbo Balance Data Sheet come out? Boxing Day?

That would be comical.

And now the Striking Scorpions kill team box from next week's pre-orders notes the box as containing 12 miniatures, so the aspect shrines are being counted as models.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
And now the Striking Scorpions kill team box from next week's pre-orders notes the box as containing 12 miniatures, so the aspect shrines are being counted as models.

Wow, this is a little disappointing. Counting the shrines as models reminds me of the Terminator teleport Homer being counted as a model.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
How long after Christmas does the Red Gobbo Balance Data Sheet come out? Boxing Day?

...what are you babbling on about this time?

Babbling? Nothing.

Simply pointing out that while these detachments seem great, the new 10th Ed. META says that soon they will change them for tourney balance purposes.

So while it is exciting to see something new, I can't help but wonder how long it will last in this current interation.

The joke was, after the Red Gobbo Advent Calendar... when will the (inevitable) meta-induced update be released.

Pretty sure they already said that the new Dataslate is due this month, as well as a new Index: Deathwatch.

Thanks, I missed the bit about the new dataslate.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
And now the Striking Scorpions kill team box from next week's pre-orders notes the box as containing 12 miniatures, so the aspect shrines are being counted as models.

Wow, this is a little disappointing. Counting the shrines as models reminds me of the Terminator teleport Homer being counted as a model.

You think that's bad, the Krieg kill team counts the medical bag as a model. It doesn't even have rules!

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
And now the Striking Scorpions kill team box from next week's pre-orders notes the box as containing 12 miniatures, so the aspect shrines are being counted as models.

Wow, this is a little disappointing. Counting the shrines as models reminds me of the Terminator teleport Homer being counted as a model.

You think that's bad, the Krieg kill team counts the medical bag as a model. It doesn't even have rules!

Wait? What? What the is that ?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

You think that's bad, the Krieg kill team counts the medical bag as a model. It doesn't even have rules!

I wouldn't be shocked if these things did get rules in the Guard & Eldar books. Teleport homers, Neuroloids, Watchers in the Dark, Imperial Agent weirdoes... all have rules for tokens in their codexes

Give me enough Imperial Agent weirdos and I might actually play 40K again

 xttz wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

You think that's bad, the Krieg kill team counts the medical bag as a model. It doesn't even have rules!

I wouldn't be shocked if these things did get rules in the Guard & Eldar books. Teleport homers, Neuroloids, Watchers in the Dark, Imperial Agent weirdoes... all have rules for tokens in their codexes

I'm kind of hoping this happens, it's an opportunity for more flavour. Like a once a game ability:

Paragons of war
Place the shrine with the unit at the beginning of any turn. That unit may move twice, shoot twice an fight twice this round. The second fight happens at the end of the combat after all other attacks and does not constitute a new combat.

Something that makes a T3 W1 unit more useful before it is inevitably annihilated because of its terrible defense.

 Hellebore wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

You think that's bad, the Krieg kill team counts the medical bag as a model. It doesn't even have rules!

I wouldn't be shocked if these things did get rules in the Guard & Eldar books. Teleport homers, Neuroloids, Watchers in the Dark, Imperial Agent weirdoes... all have rules for tokens in their codexes

I'm kind of hoping this happens, it's an opportunity for more flavour. Like a once a game ability:

Paragons of war
Place the shrine with the unit at the beginning of any turn. That unit may move twice, shoot twice an fight twice this round. The second fight happens at the end of the combat after all other attacks and does not constitute a new combat.

Something that makes a T3 W1 unit more useful before it is inevitably annihilated because of its terrible defense.

Probably a one-off effect, like causing/cancelling battleshock or providing a feel no pain for the rest of a phase.

 xttz wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

You think that's bad, the Krieg kill team counts the medical bag as a model. It doesn't even have rules!

I wouldn't be shocked if these things did get rules in the Guard & Eldar books. Teleport homers, Neuroloids, Watchers in the Dark, Imperial Agent weirdoes... all have rules for tokens in their codexes

Anyone else ever want to see an Ammo Grot fight a Watcher in the Dark? It would be like seeing Gary Colman fighting Emanuel Lewis. Such awesomeness.

DA stuff:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bo59fcgg/grotmas-calendar-day-2-hark-the-dark-angels/

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_02_dark_angels_advent_lions_blade_task_force_detachment_2024-qhcmrea3hu-wil3mtazev.pdf

A good way to have lots of terminators charging from reserves I guess. And 'nids tomorrow.

New Valrak rumours:

Don't expect much for Grey Knights this edition, he heard they are getting multiple things in 11th edition.
This edition they are only getting an upgrade kit for the Nemesis Dreadknight with more weapon options.

The Armiger rumour for the Knights is apparently fake and instead we are getting new Questoris variants for both Loyalist and Traitor Knights.
As far as he interprets the rumours its two Knights one each for Traitors and Loyalists.
The Loyalist version has a shield generator on top and new weapon for the arms.
Nothing yet on what kind of equipment the Traitor knight has just that its also Questoris pattern.
Also the Chaos Knights codex is coming back to back to the Imperial Knights codex.

He heard Tyranid terrain is supposed to be coming but no idea if via Kill Team or directly for 40k.

He is hearing the Daemons codex is gone from all of his sources and daemons are instead going into the god aligned legion codexes.

The pauldrons and heads we have seen for EC aren't for the Noise marines but for the special EC Legionaries instead.
The Noise marine squad leader can have a noise pistol.
The army set will have a EC Lord with a spear, 2x 6-men squads of Noise marines (very unlikely probably 2x 3-men) and 2x 10-men of the special EC Legionaries.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:

Don't expect much for Grey Knights this edition, he heard they are getting multiple things in 11th edition.
This edition they are only getting an upgrade kit for the Nemesis Dreadknight with more weapon options.

The Armiger rumour for the Knights is apparently fake and instead we are getting new Questoris variants for both Loyalist and Traitor Knights.
As far as he interprets the rumours its two Knights one each for Traitors and Loyalists.
The Loyalist version has a shield generator on top and new weapon for the arms.
Nothing yet on what kind of equipment the Traitor knight has just that its also Questoris pattern.
Also the Chaos Knights codex is coming back to back to the Imperial Knights codex.

He heard Tyranid terrain is supposed to be coming but no idea if via Kill Team or directly for 40k.

He is hearing the Daemons codex is gone from all of his sources and daemons are instead going into the god aligned legion codexes.

The pauldrons and heads we have seen for EC aren't for the Noise marines but for the special EC Legionaries instead.
The Noise marine squad leader can have a noise pistol.
The army set will have a EC Lord with a spear, 2x 6-men squads of Noise marines (very unlikely probably 2x 3-men) and 2x 10-men of the special EC Legionaries.

he's been insistent on six man squads, it seems... won't be surprised if it turns out to be true

noise pistol sounds cool, and i'm glad the cool stuff is going to be in the bigger box (makes it easier to pick up for conversions, certainly)

I wonder if the spear from the rumour engine belongs to the EC Lord then.

Votann was released September 2022 with a promise of a 2nd wave... 10th starts in June 2023 and no sign of it yet... so I can assume it's either late end of 10th or start of 11th?

Kinda sucks.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Votann was released September 2022 with a promise of a 2nd wave... 10th starts in June 2023 and no sign of it yet... so I can assume it's either late end of 10th or start of 11th?

Kinda sucks.

I thought Votann got more stuff already beyond the KT. As new as they are I feel like they're pretty diverse and well supported. Haven't followed too closely though so I could be way off on that.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


he's been insistent on six man squads, it seems... won't be surprised if it turns out to be true

noise pistol sounds cool, and i'm glad the cool stuff is going to be in the bigger box (makes it easier to pick up for conversions, certainly)

Assuming the Noise Marines are 51,25€ for 3x as that is the price for the Eightbound/Deathshroud Bodyguard thats 205€ just in Noise Marines.
The EC Legionaries shouldn't be less than 55€ as the normal ones are that price so another 110€ on top.
Probably around 34€ for the HQ.

That would add up to 349€ without the Codex and cards so 422€ including them.
That is more than 100€ more than the Kroot and DA army sets had in them.
The only army set that is similar is the Blood Angels one but that is also heavily subsidized by 112€ of upgrade sprues and the fact its mostly old models.

If this turns out correct and its still 180€ like the BA set that would mean a 57% discount on completely new models for a completely new faction and I just can't see that.
If its instead 2x3 Noise Marines that would reduce the content to 319,5€ which is perfectly in line with the DA and Kroot sets and would mean a discount of 44% so still pretty great.

But I guess the EC Legionaries could be 50€ instead if they have less weapon options than the CSM Legionaries inside and the Noise Marines could be 45€ since they shouldn't be Terminator size like the other two examples above in which case the total would be 387€.
And if the army set makes another jump to 190€ that would bring it to 51% discount so still better than the other sets with completely new models.
And personally I find higher individual model prices and less models in the box more likely than lower individual prices, more models in the box and a slightly higher price for the army set.

 LunarSol wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Votann was released September 2022 with a promise of a 2nd wave... 10th starts in June 2023 and no sign of it yet... so I can assume it's either late end of 10th or start of 11th?

Kinda sucks.

I thought Votann got more stuff already beyond the KT. As new as they are I feel like they're pretty diverse and well supported. Haven't followed too closely though so I could be way off on that.

They got a Warhammer Day model, two Kill Team teams and I think they may have gotten a store birthday model, but I don't pay much attention to that, so that may not be accurate. No second wave yet, and probably only the pioneer Kill Team on foot as any meaningful addition to the army.

I don't know what GW may or may not have said about a second wave, but the things I see people immediately point to when glaring omissions in the lineup come up are jump troops like the single model in the first Kill Team and flyers. Plus maybe a Lord of War, though that doesn't seem to get brought up that often.

 Geifer wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Votann was released September 2022 with a promise of a 2nd wave... 10th starts in June 2023 and no sign of it yet... so I can assume it's either late end of 10th or start of 11th?

Kinda sucks.

I thought Votann got more stuff already beyond the KT. As new as they are I feel like they're pretty diverse and well supported. Haven't followed too closely though so I could be way off on that.

They got a Warhammer Day model, two Kill Team teams and I think they may have gotten a store birthday model, but I don't pay much attention to that, so that may not be accurate. No second wave yet, and probably only the pioneer Kill Team on foot as any meaningful addition to the army.

I don't know what GW may or may not have said about a second wave, but the things I see people immediately point to when glaring omissions in the lineup come up are jump troops like the single model in the first Kill Team and flyers. Plus maybe a Lord of War, though that doesn't seem to get brought up that often.

I think I thought the jump troop model was a unit.

 Geifer wrote:

I don't know what GW may or may not have said about a second wave, but the things I see people immediately point to when glaring omissions in the lineup come up are jump troops like the single model in the first Kill Team and flyers. Plus maybe a Lord of War, though that doesn't seem to get brought up that often.

Lords of War on a whole are a very rare release (Though that classification is gone now of course)
I think the only ones released since the start of 8th have been Mortarion, Angron and the Monolith and Silent King for Necrons. I guess the Norn Emissary could also count as one but its neither in the point range (275pts compared to ~400pts normally for LoW) nor in the size range of the other models.
Other than those there are the Cerastus Knights but those are HH first and 40k second so I wouldn't count them here

 LunarSol wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Votann was released September 2022 with a promise of a 2nd wave... 10th starts in June 2023 and no sign of it yet... so I can assume it's either late end of 10th or start of 11th?

Kinda sucks.

I thought Votann got more stuff already beyond the KT. As new as they are I feel like they're pretty diverse and well supported. Haven't followed too closely though so I could be way off on that.

They got a Warhammer Day model, two Kill Team teams and I think they may have gotten a store birthday model, but I don't pay much attention to that, so that may not be accurate. No second wave yet, and probably only the pioneer Kill Team on foot as any meaningful addition to the army.

I don't know what GW may or may not have said about a second wave, but the things I see people immediately point to when glaring omissions in the lineup come up are jump troops like the single model in the first Kill Team and flyers. Plus maybe a Lord of War, though that doesn't seem to get brought up that often.

I think I thought the jump troop model was a unit.

Yeah not much for 40k I'm afraid... I think its easier to forget we have not had much added into a Wave2 when specialist games like kill team and to an extent Necromunda squats got so much.

 Matrindur wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


he's been insistent on six man squads, it seems... won't be surprised if it turns out to be true

noise pistol sounds cool, and i'm glad the cool stuff is going to be in the bigger box (makes it easier to pick up for conversions, certainly)

Assuming the Noise Marines are 51,25€ for 3x as that is the price for the Eightbound/Deathshroud Bodyguard thats 205€ just in Noise Marines.
The EC Legionaries shouldn't be less than 55€ as the normal ones are that price so another 110€ on top.
Probably around 34€ for the HQ.

That would add up to 349€ without the Codex and cards so 422€ including them.
That is more than 100€ more than the Kroot and DA army sets had in them.
The only army set that is similar is the Blood Angels one but that is also heavily subsidized by 112€ of upgrade sprues and the fact its mostly old models.

If this turns out correct and its still 180€ like the BA set that would mean a 57% discount on completely new models for a completely new faction and I just can't see that.
If its instead 2x3 Noise Marines that would reduce the content to 319,5€ which is perfectly in line with the DA and Kroot sets and would mean a discount of 44% so still pretty great.

But I guess the EC Legionaries could be 50€ instead if they have less weapon options than the CSM Legionaries inside and the Noise Marines could be 45€ since they shouldn't be Terminator size like the other two examples above in which case the total would be 387€.
And if the army set makes another jump to 190€ that would bring it to 51% discount so still better than the other sets with completely new models.
And personally I find higher individual model prices and less models in the box more likely than lower individual prices, more models in the box and a slightly higher price for the army set.

Noise Marines could just be 37'50 for 6 like plague Marines are (for 7), would solve the whole thing.

 Matrindur wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

I don't know what GW may or may not have said about a second wave, but the things I see people immediately point to when glaring omissions in the lineup come up are jump troops like the single model in the first Kill Team and flyers. Plus maybe a Lord of War, though that doesn't seem to get brought up that often.

Lords of War on a whole are a very rare release (Though that classification is gone now of course)
I think the only ones released since the start of 8th have been Mortarion, Angron and the Monolith and Silent King for Necrons. I guess the Norn Emissary could also count as one but its neither in the point range (275pts compared to ~400pts normally for LoW) nor in the size range of the other models.
Other than those there are the Cerastus Knights but those are HH first and 40k second so I wouldn't count them here

Knight Castellan/Valiant too - plus the Chaos Knight range.

 Matrindur wrote:
Lords of War on a whole are a very rare release (Though that classification is gone now of course)

Like I know what kids are calling their giant robots these days. Get off my lawn!

It's mostly just something that comes up because Squats were said to have a characterful Epic army that GW could draw on for inspiration, which of course entails large war machines and stuff that couldn't be done at normal scale back in the day.

I assume that the new Queatoris weapon will be a second Avenger, so you can finally take the dual avenger combo like you can for traitors in 40k and Loyalists in Horus Heresy.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I assume that the new Queatoris weapon will be a second Avenger, so you can finally take the dual avenger combo like you can for traitors in 40k and Loyalists in Horus Heresy.

After not including them in the battle force box maybe GW will start selling the Avenger Gatling Cannon and Las-Impulsor sprues separately like the HH dreadnought and AT Titan weapons.
Hopefully Freeblades and Dreadblades get the option to build their own Knights with double weapons, otherwise I think the rule is going away because of GW’s all rule options in one box thinking.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if thats what the Red Gobbo is hinting at.

Snake= Fulgrim

Chaos Star

Purple paint

We can now add a loudspeaker to the list. And we have the following quote from the Grotmas article (https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/eiv2zqzc/the-2024-grotmas-calendar/)

Warhammer Community wrote:Check back on Warhammer Community every day of December to open a new door – and there might even be a surprise awaiting you on Christmas Day when it’s all done.

Hard not to think the traditional Christmas preview is Emprah's Kiddies this year.