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Ive built several of both kits, my recollection is that the legs are visually very similar but not identical to the soul grinder kit

The more I think of it I start to believe it is the paintjob what makes me dislike those EC. Is not that that I dislike Black/Pink ( ) but in those guys it kind looks... forced? you get me? maybe if it was more predominantly purple or pink I'd like it more, otherwise they just look like a detachment from the Black Legion, just Slaanesh-marked.

People claiming with 100% certain Daemons "never work together in the lore" display such staggering ignorance of the actual material (which is no surprise, since 90% of players do not read the books, codexes, or really anything beyond 1d4chan and reddit nonsense). The lore consistently references multi-god Chaos incursions, warbands, pacts, alliances, etc.. "The Great Game" - the perpetual conflict in which the Chaos Gods battle and fight, consistently sees the power ally against one another and scheme, plot, and battle *together*.

It is also incredibly tiring how many people have been trying to do-away with Daemons as an army since the Codex first came out (though pure Daemons armies have existed since at least 2nd edition).

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Wow, that EC army set really makes the Krieg one look worse, doesn't it? It actually looks like being an army!

Making the basic Slaanesh Legionnaires a dual-build kit was pretty smart, and the Chaos Lord has weapon options! Enough spare bits to dole out to the squad leaders!

Its a shockingly good army box. I even like the model design- more smooth armor instead of mutated chaos gribbly bits than I expected.

Not sure how I feel about noise marines being shifted into small specialist units with the 'battleline' being new stuff.

It's not that united demonic forces don't happen, but that they are more likely to be mono or duel armies rather than all 4 at once. Also this isn't about doing away with the army; its if anything about getting MORE demon models for each god by splintering them so that there's creative room for more options.

We've also seen it work generally really great in AoS. Yes I'm sad I can't do a Slaanesh and Khorne focused united demon army with fiends and hounds charging over the battlefield with chariots and skull cannons backing them up - however at the same time it means I've now got way more options for models within each of those respective designs.

Also its not quite the same as, say, skaven where all the models share a lot of the same visual styles. Nurgle to Slaanesh to Tzeentch to Khorne are 4 very distinct design languages and styles.

 Overread wrote:
It's not that united demonic forces don't happen, but that they are more likely to be mono or duel armies rather than all 4 at once.

So we've established your claim is incorrect and therefore cannot be used to justify removing the option of multi-God armies. Because something is "rare" does not mean it should not be a force - by that logic a significant number of 40k armies should simply not exist!

Also this isn't about doing away with the army; its if anything about getting MORE demon models for each god by splintering them so that there's creative room for more options.

"It isn't about doing away with the army"

How is it not? If I cannot field the army, the how is it not doing away with the army? Complete dishonesty. I want to field a horde of Daemons, not "Daemons and Chaos Space Marines" or "Daemons but only of ONE colour!"

40k fans are always desperate to squat and dismember any armies that are not their own.

It might technically be possible to do a multi-god army, depending on how they do the faction key words. If all the daemons across the different chaos codexs have the "daemon" faction key words then you can make an army of just them. It'll suck to need multiple books though.

To be fair of all the 40k factions Chaos should be a good reflection of its own name, this orderly way to organise chaotic factions is quite unfluffy. So yes multigod, all demon etc etc is the bread and butter of chaos... add some beastmen for flavour too.

 cuda1179 wrote:
It might technically be possible to do a multi-god army, depending on how they do the faction key words. If all the daemons across the different chaos codexs have the "daemon" faction key words then you can make an army of just them. It'll suck to need multiple books though.

I'm also curious as to how this will affect the Grotmas detachments, since they invoke the current army rule of Shadow of Chaos.

OK, but how about the "lictor" at this timestamp?: https://youtu.be/08tRhsL0VWc?si=sbSY9H-LgD1V0HOl&t=1827

Lictor? I hardly know 'er!

 Platuan4th wrote:
Lictor? I hardly know 'er!

You win.

 CMLR wrote:
OK, but how about the "lictor" at this timestamp?: https://youtu.be/08tRhsL0VWc?si=sbSY9H-LgD1V0HOl&t=1827

Someone on Reddit pointed out it’s an exact match to this art.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
Ive built several of both kits, my recollection is that the legs are visually very similar but not identical to the soul grinder kit

I think your recollection is wrong.

Pet peeve that they keep using the black mane head as the chapter symbol when it's Ragnar's great company and the official symbol of the space Wolves is Leman Russ's heraldry of the wolf rampant that every great wolf adopts when they become chapter master...

I don't know why they don't just use the actual chapter symbol in all their imagery - here is grimnar presiding over a duel between a blood claws and grey hunter from Ragnars great company for some reason.

Even their army icons use the Ragnar head

Having 2000 odd points of EC from the way back time, I am excited to hear about the new codex and especially that it includes rules for things like maulerfiends, heldrakes, and of course our lovely Slannesh Daemons. It was my favorite faction to play in 4th and I look forward to their return to the tabletop.

Several of the new minis are must haves, but I don't see myself buying the Noise marine models as my old blastmaster and sonic blaster marines will do nicely.

So very happy with the EC release. It really is a dream come true after all these years. Can't wait to get my hands on them.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
So very happy with the EC release. It really is a dream come true after all these years. Can't wait to get my hands on them.

It has been such a long wait. I'm stoked too, but I'll have to get completely re-acclimated to the game, or, recruit some OPR players. Either way, I'm going to really enjoy painting some.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It might technically be possible to do a multi-god army, depending on how they do the faction key words. If all the daemons across the different chaos codexs have the "daemon" faction key words then you can make an army of just them. It'll suck to need multiple books though.

I'm also curious as to how this will affect the Grotmas detachments, since they invoke the current army rule of Shadow of Chaos.

It won't affect them, the daemons index and grotmas detachments will likely hang around until 11th.

Belakor should get a daemon list that resemble horus heresys Daemons of the ruinstorm, where the units is generic like "daemonic beasts" and "daemonic cavalry" and you can give them treats to make them more or less obviously resmble the god specific units.

Im thinking there could be a CSM supplement with this style of daemon allies. If for no other reason that CSM recently got their dex, and worbearers would miss their warp pets.

 CMLR wrote:
The more I think of it I start to believe it is the paintjob what makes me dislike those EC. Is not that that I dislike Black/Pink ( ) but in those guys it kind looks... forced? you get me? maybe if it was more predominantly purple or pink I'd like it more, otherwise they just look like a detachment from the Black Legion, just Slaanesh-marked.

I also find the paintjob on these to look off-putting. But then again, I always thought CSM of 40K looked way derpier than 30K chaos. If I ever were to make an EC army, kitbashing these upcoming kits with HH plain marine stuff would be the way to go.

As for the Chaos Daemons being stuffed into their respective CSM codices, it does make sense from an army building POV. However, I still think anything with the CHAOS keyword shoudl be allowed to soup with one another somehow, I mean the word "Chaos" should still mean something..

I was looking at the future road map, and am I mistaken or are the Imperial Knights not on here, unless they are sharing space with Chaos Knights...

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I was looking at the future road map, and am I mistaken or are the Imperial Knights not on here, unless they are sharing space with Chaos Knights...

Could be after Chaos Knights, or the Chaos Knight art could be for both of them depending on how they release them (I’ve already said elsewhere and maybe here that it makes sense to me to release the two books together as they’re relatively small and have a fair bit of overlap, but some people didn’t seem to agree). They were right after Aeldari on the original ‘roadmap’ so it is weird the orders shifted so much.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I was looking at the future road map, and am I mistaken or are the Imperial Knights not on here, unless they are sharing space with Chaos Knights...

Could be after Chaos Knights, or the Chaos Knight art could be for both of them depending on how they release them (I’ve already said elsewhere and maybe here that it makes sense to me to release the two books together as they’re relatively small and have a fair bit of overlap, but some people didn’t seem to agree). They were right after Aeldari on the original ‘roadmap’ so it is weird the orders shifted so much.

It was also guard > eldar > IK > EC (in theory).

Now it's eldar > guard > EC

I consider it kinda wild that Salamanders are getting their own codex (supplement) so I am kinda suspicious if that is real.

Maybe IK are getting something big as an update and someone at GW production said that they can't cope with big Guard, Eldar and EC on top of OW and AoS (soulblight) big releases all in one big go and one has to give and wait

 Sotahullu wrote:
I consider it kinda wild that Salamanders are getting their own codex (supplement) so I am kinda suspicious if that is real.

There are some Valrak rumours of a Space Marine wave, including characters for the Codex chapters, so it may be an image to represent Space Marines in general rather than specifically a Salamanders wave.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
I consider it kinda wild that Salamanders are getting their own codex (supplement) so I am kinda suspicious if that is real.

There are some Valrak rumours of a Space Marine wave, including characters for the Codex chapters, so it may be an image to represent Space Marines in general rather than specifically a Salamanders wave.

But the tease is for new codex updates, right? So do you expect an Astartes 2.0 dex?

 Fayric wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
I consider it kinda wild that Salamanders are getting their own codex (supplement) so I am kinda suspicious if that is real.

There are some Valrak rumours of a Space Marine wave, including characters for the Codex chapters, so it may be an image to represent Space Marines in general rather than specifically a Salamanders wave.

But the tease is for new codex updates, right? So do you expect an Astartes 2.0 dex?

Well everything else will be a codex, but it doesn’t actually specify either way. I hope there’s not another marine dex but it wouldn’t be the first time they got 2 in an edition.

 Hellebore wrote:
Pet peeve that they keep using the black mane head as the chapter symbol when it's Ragnar's great company and the official symbol of the space Wolves is Leman Russ's heraldry of the wolf rampant that every great wolf adopts when they become chapter master...

I don't know why they don't just use the actual chapter symbol in all their imagery - here is grimnar presiding over a duel between a blood claws and grey hunter from Ragnars great company for some reason.

Even their army icons use the Ragnar head

You do realize that neither the dark angels or blood angels use theur actual chapter symbols either, yes? All those lovely plastic shoulder pads theyve been putting o ut on the upgrade sprues the past couple years are not technocally correct to the canon chapter symbols - the wings for both are presented as typical feathered wings on the shoulder pad upgrades, but the actual chaprer icons dont have those types of wings and instead each have their own distinct style.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Pet peeve that they keep using the black mane head as the chapter symbol when it's Ragnar's great company and the official symbol of the space Wolves is Leman Russ's heraldry of the wolf rampant that every great wolf adopts when they become chapter master...

I don't know why they don't just use the actual chapter symbol in all their imagery - here is grimnar presiding over a duel between a blood claws and grey hunter from Ragnars great company for some reason.

Even their army icons use the Ragnar head

You do realize that neither the dark angels or blood angels use theur actual chapter symbols either, yes? All those lovely plastic shoulder pads theyve been putting o ut on the upgrade sprues the past couple years are not technocally correct to the canon chapter symbols - the wings for both are presented as typical feathered wings on the shoulder pad upgrades, but the actual chaprer icons dont have those types of wings and instead each have their own distinct style.

Three wrongs make a who cares! It's the GW way!