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seeing people speculate that we might be getting an EC vs eldar box set... GW isn't doing the vs boxes anymore, but releasing these two at the same time would certainly make some sense

shoulder pad with studs looks solid. been getting into EC for heresy, after pushing from my GF, so i'm certainly going to appreciate a new supply of bits for that

 xttz wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
What was the timeline between the world eater teases and full reveal?

I think the first confirmations on a WE range were around 7-9 months prior. Proper model reveals were six months before release, but also there was a leak ahead of this which might have made them reveal some models earlier than planned.

Fingers crossed for more potatocam this time around.

Yep. World Eaters got their renders shown at Warhammer Fest in May and the release was the following January or February.

I'm hoping for a plastic daemon prince Fulgrim!

i'm sure it's going to happen. what i'm interested in is how they make it distinct from the resin model, since that was only released last year

If Emperors Children is being introduced with it's own codex then I'd say it will be in it's own lunch box.

Given that Eldar and Thousand Sons are rival psyker factions, and already established factions and kit ranges, I'd put my money on those being in a battlebox together. This would also be taking a leaf out of the previous edition of AOS where they had a similar box with Lumineth vs Tzeentch...

I'm super happy at the thought of a new CP box for Eldar that might contain Banshees or Reapers. I think I might get another War Walker incase they update them and charge an extra £10 for the fun of it...

I don't think so, GW has mostly given up on duel battleboxes. There was a time they were really common, but they seem to have done away with them entirely now. The only ones left are new-game-editions and for those they like putting Loyalist Marines and Stormcast in as one of the constant repeat factions for each game.


Plus a new edition of 40K just went out so I don't see that happening. Emperors Children would get a launch of their own; any joint release might be something like a Killteam boxed set.

I must agree upon Kill Team being the better game for that kind of thing. They only ended up padding out the previous boxes with crap they wanted to shift, and players only moaned as they only wanted a few models on either side.

Yeah there hasnt been a 2 faction box for 40k/aos in a couple years now IIRC, theyve moved to just doing single faction boxes

Awesome. Can't wait to see more

SamusDrake wrote:
I must agree upon Kill Team being the better game for that kind of thing. They only ended up padding out the previous boxes with crap they wanted to shift, and players only moaned as they only wanted a few models on either side.

It wasn't even stuff they wanted to shift (GW don't sit on stock - if their constant "out of stock" messages are any hint to people )
It was mostly pairing new models with older ones with a view toward new people starting armies. Which often as not annoyed established gamers who were getting old models they didn't need more of and a half army they didn't even collect all to get the new models they really wanted.

A few times you could luck out that two forces you play get put in the same box; or you want to start a new army or didn't have (or didn't have enough) the old models.

But yeah many times it was a case of fishing around and swapping/selling halves and so forth. Quite doable if you're online and active; but a pain for many.

SamusDrake wrote:
If Emperors Children is being introduced with it's own codex then I'd say it will be in it's own lunch box.

I have definitely heard of worse merch ideas than an Emperor's Children lunch box.

SamusDrake wrote:
If Emperors Children is being introduced with it's own codex then I'd say it will be in it's own lunch box.

Given that Eldar and Thousand Sons are rival psyker factions, and already established factions and kit ranges, I'd put my money on those being in a battlebox together. This would also be taking a leaf out of the previous edition of AOS where they had a similar box with Lumineth vs Tzeentch...

I hope you don't put very much $ on that bet.

 Dysartes wrote:

I have definitely heard of worse merch ideas than an Emperor's Children lunch box.

I was hoping someone would pick up on that one!


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ccs wrote:

I hope you don't put very much $ on that bet.

Well, maybe so but I'd put my money on an Eldar vs T-Sons box more than an Eldar vs Emperors Children box - if you see what I mean. The Emperors Children will likely get a LAUNCH box. Sorry, I didn't mean to shout but you never know who's listening....

 LunarSol wrote:
I've seen an army where someone put primaris marines with wolves on a Thunderwolf sized base and I overall think its a vastly better implementation of the idea than cavalry.

It's not rocket surgery. I and many others pointed this out when they first previewed thunderwolf cav however many years ago. But so many people were riding the GW snuff train so hard that marine cav was so cool...

Nice to see that perhaps the dumbest unit ever invented for 40k is hopefully going away.

 Hellebore wrote:

Nice to see that perhaps the dumbest unit ever invented for 40k is hopefully going away.

huh, that sounds like a good idea for another thread.

 Hellebore wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I've seen an army where someone put primaris marines with wolves on a Thunderwolf sized base and I overall think its a vastly better implementation of the idea than cavalry.

It's not rocket surgery. I and many others pointed this out when they first previewed thunderwolf cav however many years ago. But so many people were riding the GW snuff train so hard that marine cav was so cool...

Nice to see that perhaps the dumbest unit ever invented for 40k is hopefully going away.

That was an era of GW going overboard on themes though.

Blood angels Honour Guard went from being a pretty bog standard SM Command Squad, but with jet packs; to wearing massive wings that definitely never get in the way in melee. Dark angels didn't really get any releases in 5th, but at start of 6th the Deathwing gain the 'knight' version. Grey Knights became its own army to include the baby carrier. Generic space marines get centurions and an even heavier armoured dreadnought (Ironclad).

And much of the stuff produced during that time was awful. you mentioned 2.

The sanguinary guard wings were also ridiculous ornamentation, but people apparently don't like the new ones that don't have them...


They could have avoided the idiocy of the centurions by putting excess dreadnought sarcophagi in where the marine is and made the marine equivalent of Killa Kans...

Same for the dreadknight.

I hope they also don't go overboard on the Noise Marines. Yes I know going to excess for Slaanesh release...very punny. I just don't want the whole Space Wolf McWolf riding wolves ridiculousness again. I know that Noise Marines are a Slaanesh and Emperor's Children thing but I hope there will be other options for portraying Slaanesh excess other than just noise weapons.

Sadly, the 2E Chaos Codex made the Emperor's Children primarily Noise Marines and it seems that's been the direction ever since.

Just remember the people who make wacky leader models still have jobs there.

Anyone else not inspired by the General on his robot pony?

He should at least been on a robot lion.

Iracundus wrote:
I hope they also don't go overboard on the Noise Marines. Yes I know going to excess for Slaanesh release...very punny. I just don't want the whole Space Wolf McWolf riding wolves ridiculousness again. I know that Noise Marines are a Slaanesh and Emperor's Children thing but I hope there will be other options for portraying Slaanesh excess other than just noise weapons.

From the recent rumour list it sounds like they are getting a general 'legionary' unit to use as the core troops. Noise marines will instead be more of an elites/specialist pick, alongside a melee-focused unit.

That certainly fits recent GW writing which says EC love to specialise in many different things. I doubt its by accident that this fluff mirrors Eldar aspect warriors.

With a huge daemon primarch and Lucius, there should/must be a potent melee side to support them. And as noise marines are an iconic unit they probably have some decent fire support as well. But, if all units "specialise" in dealing out loads of mid range S4-6 attacks there wont be alot of diferent playstyles. Might also be some mandatory list-tailoring to max out some feel no pain equivalent (embrace the pain?).
Perhaps I sound pessimistic, but Im actually really exited about new EC! High hopes for the new range.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just remember the people who make wacky leader models still have jobs there.

Anyone else not inspired by the General on his robot pony?

He should at least been on a robot lion.

If only Lord Horseyman was wacky. At least he'd have something going for him.

 Fayric wrote:
With a huge daemon primarch and Lucius, there should/must be a potent melee side to support them. And as noise marines are an iconic unit they probably have some decent fire support as well. But, if all units "specialise" in dealing out loads of mid range S4-6 attacks there wont be alot of diferent playstyles. Might also be some mandatory list-tailoring to max out some feel no pain equivalent (embrace the pain?).
Perhaps I sound pessimistic, but Im actually really exited about new EC! High hopes for the new range.

I'll be happy if they avoid the same pitfalls that hit the World Eaters range so hard. We have things that punch hard! And things that punch extra hard! And things that punch super hard! And standouts that punch extra super hard!

It's not easy to get railroaded so hard into a specific niche as modern GW's unimaginative take on Khorne, but since GW is going to steer well clear of sexual themes and I can't really imagine fat Marines (culinary overindulgence being an option for getting some variety into Slaaneshi models that got some representation in recent years) without rudely stepping on bloated Plague Marine hooves, I could see a lack of variety in the Emperor's Children range as well. I hope that concern is unwarranted.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just remember the people who make wacky leader models still have jobs there.

Anyone else not inspired by the General on his robot pony?

He should at least been on a robot lion.

Was it a transforming robot pony with a large cannon for a gun?

But seriously, Lord Solar and his cybo-pony gets let off the hook for posing atop a Reaver titan head.

This. His scenic base is likely his biggest selling point

Scenic bases are usually hit or miss, but a chaos titan head is definitely a hit

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Sadly, the 2E Chaos Codex made the Emperor's Children primarily Noise Marines and it seems that's been the direction ever since.

The 2nd edition Codex was incisive for all four cult legions - especially the Thousand Sons. In CSM Codex 3.5 Emperor's Children had some nifty Daemon weapons and combat drugs, so at least the characters were quite good at close combat. And IIRC you did not have to take the Sonic weapons.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Sadly, the 2E Chaos Codex made the Emperor's Children primarily Noise Marines and it seems that's been the direction ever since.

The 2nd edition Codex was incisive for all four cult legions - especially the Thousand Sons. In CSM Codex 3.5 Emperor's Children had some nifty Daemon weapons and combat drugs, so at least the characters were quite good at close combat. And IIRC you did not have to take the Sonic weapons.

I'm hoping they sonic dreadnoughts back, and that they are useful.

Well I've been F5 for Battleforces for 7 years now but that Dark Angels Battleforce might be the first one I didn't manage to get.
That one was gone insanely fast

 Matrindur wrote:
Well I've been F5 for Battleforces for 7 years now but that Dark Angels Battleforce might be the first one I didn't manage to get.
That one was gone insanely fast

Keep an eye for them coming back into stock later on as GW shuffle allocations around. I missed out on the WE box last year but managed to pick one up around 3 weeks later as some third--party retailers were sent extra. If you know of any stores with "email when available" function use that.

Also don't forget a load of stock gets held back for the physical retail outlets too. So many times it will sell out online but you might have a chance at a local store in person /