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chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest

People are missing the key question here, will Logan and Njal survive the incredibly difficult and arduous crossing of the Rubicon Primaris!?

It is an extremely dangerous process and few live to see the other side!

Not sure if you're aware but somewhere in the past edition or so the narrative "advanced" and it was stated that the process of crossing the Rubicon primaris was improved by Cawl and it's now much less risky, as such more and more marines are being converted and chapter heroes and leaders are crossing it as there's no longer as much concern about losing their expertise, skills, and experience to a medical accident or whatever

That's lucky! Chapters must have been so concerned, since *checks notes* literally nobody died before the process became safer.

I'll be honest this is a welcome retcon.

I still think the whole idea of "Primaris" and the arduous and dangerous process was just too too overwrought. A simple "Here's Mark X armor and Marines are taller now because they should be" would have sufficed. There was a huge leap from the RT to 2nd edition marines and then from 2nd to 3rd and no one needed massive new technological changes to explain it.

So yeah, just quietly abandoning the whole "will he dare to cross the Rubric Primaris" was about as suspenseful as "will Spider Man survive this cliff hanger".

(That being said I would pay for good money for a good where, oh, let's say Dark Angel Scout Sergeant Naaman or Space Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze dies on the operating table as he goes Primaris.)

 Lord Damocles wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest

People are missing the key question here, will Logan and Njal survive the incredibly difficult and arduous crossing of the Rubicon Primaris!?

It is an extremely dangerous process and few live to see the other side!

Not sure if you're aware but somewhere in the past edition or so the narrative "advanced" and it was stated that the process of crossing the Rubicon primaris was improved by Cawl and it's now much less risky, as such more and more marines are being converted and chapter heroes and leaders are crossing it as there's no longer as much concern about losing their expertise, skills, and experience to a medical accident or whatever

That's lucky! Chapters must have been so concerned, since *checks notes* literally nobody died before the process became safer.

For some reason I think about the never-before-seen anonymous crewmen that get to follow the main Star Trek cast down to the weird new palnet.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'll be honest this is a welcome retcon.

I still think the whole idea of "Primaris" and the arduous and dangerous process was just too too overwrought. A simple "Here's Mark X armor and Marines are taller now because they should be" would have sufficed. There was a huge leap from the RT to 2nd edition marines and then from 2nd to 3rd and no one needed massive new technological changes to explain it.

So yeah, just quietly abandoning the whole "will he dare to cross the Rubric Primaris" was about as suspenseful as "will Spider Man survive this cliff hanger".

(That being said I would pay for good money for a good where, oh, let's say Dark Angel Scout Sergeant Naaman or Space Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze dies on the operating table as he goes Primaris.)

The "dangerous" part was there to explain why GW didnt provide every named character in Primaris size from the very introduction of Primaris. This way they could drop occasional heroes and say they were forced to make a daring decision to go primaris.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

(That being said I would pay for good money for a good where, oh, let's say Dark Angel Scout Sergeant Naaman or Space Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze dies on the operating table as he goes Primaris.)

Too late, the Scout Sergeant already died... in a Dark Angels codex.

Don't worry, literally dozens of nameless marines died horrifically off-screen under the knives of their new Primaris overlords before Cawl got around to reading the bug reports and issued a patch.
They were mostly Rhino drivers though, so no-one cared.

To update the thread title, battleforces next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0kkusrqx/sunday-preview-load-up-on-the-new-christmas-battleforces/


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Battleforce prices, all of them at 190€, 10€ more than last years 40k ones and 15€ more for the AoS ones


That means the discounts are:
Tau Empire - 29%
Necrons - 30%
Adepta Sororitas - 33%
Imperial Knights - 36% if you use the full price for the Knight but less depending on how much you value the two missing extra sprues
Dark Angels - 36%

Flesh Eater Courts - 28%
Ironjawz - 28%
Maggotkin of Nurgle - 31%
Cities of Sigmar - 29%

Overall average discount is 31.1%, for comparison last year it was 35.7% so not just a higher price but a worse discount too

The Dark Angels box is 190€ for kits that are individually 295€. That's not bad. I might buy one if I see it in stock at a discount.

That's a great deal on the Knights and DAs if you pick up from a handy FLGS with additional discount.

DA one is kind of tempting. Except, I’ve already got The Lion, and there are no guarantees an opponent would accept 40K models in a Heresy game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
DA one is kind of tempting. Except, I’ve already got The Lion, and there are no guarantees an opponent would accept 40K models in a Heresy game.

I mean its just marines right - I can't see most caring that much as long as they are on the right base and all.


It's not as if you're trying to play blue marines as red marines

Just thinking that one could take a pair of left-over autocannons from a Warglaive build, and kit bash a spare Icarus carapace weapon for the Knight.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
DA one is kind of tempting. Except, I’ve already got The Lion, and there are no guarantees an opponent would accept 40K models in a Heresy game.

You should not play with that kind of person if they don't accept your Lion from GW as Lion.

 Olthannon wrote:
That's a great deal on the Knights and DAs if you pick up from a handy FLGS with additional discount.

IK is not that good on account of being the Paladin/Errant version only. As stated above Canis Rex, the current top choice, cannot be built from that box.

M.

 RUNE wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
DA one is kind of tempting. Except, I’ve already got The Lion, and there are no guarantees an opponent would accept 40K models in a Heresy game.

You should not play with that kind of person if they don't accept your Lion from GW as Lion.

But he'd have a historically inaccurate hairline!

 Matrindur wrote:
New Space Wolves rumors from Valrak:
To reiterate the existing rumours: new Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Arjac Rockfist and Wolf Priest
New rumours: New lieutenant with multiple weapon options, sounds like its a Space Wolves specific one?
HQ guard unit, three models like Bladeguard with wolves as part of the unit.
New SW Scouts, again with a wolf as part of the unit.
New Terminator Wolf Guard.
New Blood Claws and Grey Hunters.

Heard nothing about Dreadnoughts or Bjorn

Some more infos about these rumours from Valrak

As far as he heard Grey Hunters and Blood Claws aren't Intercessor upgrades but actual new kits.
Five Terminators per box for the Wolf Guard with double bladed axes and other weapons, ranged and melee.
Wolf Scouts are also 5 marines and 1 wolf with weapon options including a runic staff.
The guard unit aren't Terminators, have rounded shields and each of them has a wolf so 3 marines and 3 wolves. I think these might be the spiritual replacements for Thunderwolf cavalry. While not exactly the same since not riding the wolves, 3 marines and their wolf partners feels like they could take up the same design space and as such cut the Thunderwolf cavalry option

I've seen an army where someone put primaris marines with wolves on a Thunderwolf sized base and I overall think its a vastly better implementation of the idea than cavalry.

Yes, please let the TW Cav die. The one dude as a special character was fine but a regular unit? Bleh. Not least because thunderwolves are supposed to be untameable and Canis only gets a ride because the wolf thinks he's their disabled kid brother, on account of being raised together as pups.

I dont mind TWC, but would not lament them getting moved to legends.
I could imagine a big spectral wolf model in the style of an endless spell would be less silly than the cavalry.

Dudeface wrote:

 RUNE wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
DA one is kind of tempting. Except, I’ve already got The Lion, and there are no guarantees an opponent would accept 40K models in a Heresy game.

You should not play with that kind of person if they don't accept your Lion from GW as Lion.

But he'd have a historically inaccurate hairline!

Easy solve with one of the helmeted heads which he comes with! Can't see why that would be an issue for a Heresy game, its not really even "counts as" it's literally the correct character...

Piousservant wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 RUNE wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
DA one is kind of tempting. Except, I’ve already got The Lion, and there are no guarantees an opponent would accept 40K models in a Heresy game.

You should not play with that kind of person if they don't accept your Lion from GW as Lion.

But he'd have a historically inaccurate hairline!

Easy solve with one of the helmeted heads which he comes with! Can't see why that would be an issue for a Heresy game, its not really even "counts as" it's literally the correct character...

Wrong loadout iirc though? I wouldn't bat an eyelid personally but there's more nuts in the HH tree than in 40k afaik.

Oooooh!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/n0r1r2dr/the-ecstatic-epistle-mysterious-renders-from-the-41st-millennium/

Hmm Christmas Month reveal incoming!

OK, they’re looking interesting.

Cannot wait to see what the new Noise Marines look like. It's been so long a wait.

I’ve been waiting for Emperors Children since the Thousand Sons release.

Nice of GW to get the ball rolling. More Slaaneshi stuff is always welcome.

Also, "the ecstatic epistle"? Are we to believe that'll be a series?

What was the timeline between the world eater teases and full reveal?

 GaroRobe wrote:
What was the timeline between the world eater teases and full reveal?

GW generally works in 3month windows for previewed content at major events.
For teases like this though it can be anything. It might be next week or even a few days before they announce more; it could be months away. There isn't really a pattern, though they "tend" to be more closer than further off when things are running normally. That said we've had things previewed and teased that sometimes took a year or more to actually appear.

Exciting!

 GaroRobe wrote:
What was the timeline between the world eater teases and full reveal?

I think the first confirmations on a WE range were around 7-9 months prior. Proper model reveals were six months before release, but also there was a leak ahead of this which might have made them reveal some models earlier than planned.

Fingers crossed for more potatocam this time around.