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Valrak calling Ogryns wrong as a speculative balance for a Ratling Kill-Team due to not knowing the new boxed set is balanced more as attackers vs defenders is considerably more forgiveable than looking at the new Tankbustas and calling them "lightly armoured" just to "debunk" his claim of "armoured orks"

The man does not know and never has known the names of any unit that isn't a Loyalist Astarte, this is as true as his record is sound.

The battleforces seem decent, but I doubt I'll be getting one even if I somehow scrape together the funds. And that's okay, I don't think any of them are really that useful for me. I already have everything from the DA one, and the Knights one contains yet another Questoris model, which I don't really need (the armigers would be nice though). I don't play Necrons, Tau, or Sisters (anymore, sold that army a few months ago). The boxes look like a pretty nice bundle in each, but the only one I could see people buying multiples of would be the Tau one, or maybe the Knights (funnily enough, 2 Knights boxes would get you a playable 2k army, although you might want to find yourself some Imperial Agents for scoring).

Articles are up now:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4uakzloz/warhammer-day-preview-campaign-across-the-galaxy-with-new-warhammer-40000-battleforces/

Also from the article about the animation:

PS: On the subject of the Deathwatch.

Lots of you have gotten in touch over the last few weeks with your thoughts on the way that Deathwatch Kill Teams now work in games of Warhammer 40,000. Ok, we hear you - a couple of squads is not enough, you want to mobilise the might of a full Watch Fortress!

While such deployments are rare in the 41st Millennium, they are not unknown, and the Ordo Xenos (and the Warhammer Studio, for that matter) is not deaf to the many calls for aid.

So we can confirm today that, in December, we’ll be releasing a digital update with more options to take your Deathwatch army to the field and lay low the alien menace. Watch this space....

Oh good. Then we can field more dudes with Long Vigil Melee Weapons and Long Vigil Ranged Weapons. Much whoop.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Oh good. Then we can field more dudes with Long Vigil Melee Weapons and Long Vigil Ranged Weapons. Much whoop.

I mean that's better than if they don't right?

What is that, four to six weeks of getting feedback and fretting over what to do with it, and then three months of work on the side at best to give Deathwatch players back what they lost? I foresee amazing results.

Nice to see GW isn't shy about acknowledging Emprah's Kiddies. It's much better than to pretend a thing a little further out isn't happening until they're ready to reveal it three months before release.

I'm not thrilled by most of those battleforces. I don't know, they look kind of small. Good for my wallet, I guess. I might take an interest in the Dark Angels box. I love Terminators, wouldn't mind getting my hands on one edgelord squad and since I already have Girlyman, what's the harm in adding Lionel? It's probably going to come down to availability. Last year was a dud, even though I was interested.

Dark Angels and Necron boxes lose points for the named character in each - I've already got the Lion, which means needing to move a copy on if I were to pick that one up. I don't have the Void Dragon, though, so that would work nicely with my current Necrons.

Knights box is another option, as that would pair well with the other Knights I've yet to build, including the older Battleforce with the Castellan in.

Nice theme to the "Sisters" box, while the Tau box is, as ever, a waste of a slot.

 Dysartes wrote:
Dark Angels and Necron boxes lose points for the named character in each - I've already got the Lion, which means needing to move a copy on if I were to pick that one up. I don't have the Void Dragon, though, so that would work nicely with my current Necrons.

Knights box is another option, as that would pair well with the other Knights I've yet to build, including the older Battleforce with the Castellan in.

Nice theme to the "Sisters" box, while the Tau box is, as ever, a waste of a slot.

Yeah, I find the choices for Dark Angels and Necrons curious. Neither is likely to appeal to existing players of either faction; I mean, how many Necrons players don't have a Void Dragon already? I get that they're generally not marketed toward existing players, but they do acknowledge their appeal to those folks.

Thing is GW doesn't need to sell models to an existing major Necron fan who has gone beyond a few models and already has an army. That person is already buying and all a discount box does is speed up their buying.

Instead GW is clearly aiming to make these sets more and more targeted toward both new customers and new players of armies. Including fancy key models that draw people in at the same time as including one-use only (army rules wise) models helps spread out the stock.


So in theory instead of selling out in 5 seconds they might last a bit longer online and on the shelf which means a greater market distribution. That means more people starting/building new armies; more people getting into the game and GW spreading out their customerbase profits.

They mentioned in the stream that these were intended to be the next step up from the start collecting combat patrols. So not a lot of duplicates from there, but the bits you need to take your army to the next level. Also designed with specific detachments in mind.

I’m out of touch with most of the mechanics these days for armies I don’t play, so no idea how well this was actually executed.

I've started building Necrons and Dark Angels armies at so both of their boxes work for me as the only things I have from either box is Warriors. More of a question of which one to get if I can get one.

I expect the Knights one will be most in demand this year

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Dark Angels and Necron boxes lose points for the named character in each - I've already got the Lion, which means needing to move a copy on if I were to pick that one up. I don't have the Void Dragon, though, so that would work nicely with my current Necrons.

Knights box is another option, as that would pair well with the other Knights I've yet to build, including the older Battleforce with the Castellan in.

Nice theme to the "Sisters" box, while the Tau box is, as ever, a waste of a slot.

Yeah, I find the choices for Dark Angels and Necrons curious. Neither is likely to appeal to existing players of either faction; I mean, how many Necrons players don't have a Void Dragon already? I get that they're generally not marketed toward existing players, but they do acknowledge their appeal to those folks.

As noted, I'm completely C'Tan-less at present, but I accept I may be an oddity.

To address Irbis VDS- the warcom article clearly references Ogryn and Bullgryn as not benefiting from the scarper rule that the ratings have, so clearly valuable knows something we don't yet and is 100% on the money, as the scarpwr rule wouldn't reference ofryn/bulletin if they weren't part of the kill team.

Not going to defend Irbis going off the deep end there, but if Valrak reported Ratlings & Ogryns in the box, then people shouldn't be marking that as 100% accurate - from the reporting yesterday, the box doth not contain any Ogryns.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Dark Angels and Necron boxes lose points for the named character in each - I've already got the Lion, which means needing to move a copy on if I were to pick that one up. I don't have the Void Dragon, though, so that would work nicely with my current Necrons.

Knights box is another option, as that would pair well with the other Knights I've yet to build, including the older Battleforce with the Castellan in.

Nice theme to the "Sisters" box, while the Tau box is, as ever, a waste of a slot.

Yeah, I find the choices for Dark Angels and Necrons curious. Neither is likely to appeal to existing players of either faction; I mean, how many Necrons players don't have a Void Dragon already? I get that they're generally not marketed toward existing players, but they do acknowledge their appeal to those folks.

As noted, I'm completely C'Tan-less at present, but I accept I may be an oddity.

Something to consider with existing customers is that GW releases new stuff in waves and some people don't always expand their collection right away because they're fine with what they have at the time, enthusiasm has dimmed, prices climbed to high, focus has shifted to another army and so forth.

I'd look at the inclusion of special characters and unique models not just as a way to disincentivize existing players from buying multiples and making more boxes available to new ones, relatively speaking, but also to give some existing customers a reason to recommit.

 Dysartes wrote:
Not going to defend Irbis going off the deep end there, but if Valrak reported Ratlings & Ogryns in the box, then people shouldn't be marking that as 100% accurate - from the reporting yesterday, the box doth not contain any Ogryns.

Nah, the rumour wasn't 100% accurate, it's probably about 95% though in reality given the kill team rules facilitate ogryn even if they're not in the box.

I'm also not aware of anyone else suggesting the contents would be ratlings vs orks in any capacity, so in a world where that's the only rumour it's damn near enough in my books. In response to Irbis dealing with whatever PTSD that is, no it wasn't obvious the box would be orks, nor even IG at all given they had the release prior. Following the flawed logic of "it was obvious given ratlings are the only finecast unit left", what happened to want them to make drop tempestus first, which by the same logic is not an obvious choice and an oddity.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:


Yeah, I find the choices for Dark Angels and Necrons curious. Neither is likely to appeal to existing players of either faction; I mean, how many Necrons players don't have a Void Dragon already? I get that they're generally not marketed toward existing players, but they do acknowledge their appeal to those folks.

But imagine how cool it would be a to have a mysterious commander in black hood and cloak leading your dark angels, and then, blam, you replace it with a green El Jonson with his head bared -it was the primarch all along!

 Matrindur wrote:

Spoiler:

Quick price structure for the Battleforces: 
Assuming the Battleforces will be 180€ like the latest BA army set and would give the 31-39% discount range. Might also be 175€ since thats what the GSC and Sororitas Battleforces were. Probably 180€ for the 40k ones and 175€ for the AoS ones.

Tau Battleforce
Commander - 51,25€
XV88 Broadside - 51,25€
XV95 Ghostkeel - 72,5€
XV104 Riptide - 93€
Total: 268€ - Discount if 180€: 33%

Necrons Battleforce
Overlord with Translocation Shroud - 32,5€
C'tan Shard of the Void Dragon - 102,5€
2x Triarch Praetorians/Lychguard - 47,5€
Necron Warriors - 41€
Total: 271€ - Discount if 180€: 34%

Adepta Sororitas Battleforce
Ministorum Priest - 28€
Repentia Squad - 47,5€
Arco-flagellants - 47,5€
Penitent Engines/Mortifiers - 51,25€
2x Sororitas Rhino - 54,5€
Total: 283,25€ - Discount if 180€: 36%

Imperial Knights Battleforce
Questoris Knight - 145€
2x Armiger - 75€
Total: 295€ - Discount if 180€: 39%

Dark Angels Battleforce
Lion El'Jonson - 55€
Chaplain in Terminator Armour - 35€
2x Inner Circle Companions - 47,5€
2x Deathwing Knights - 55€
Total: 295€ - Discount if 180€: 39%

Spoiler:

Also Emperors Children teaser for 2025:

I think they're in the AOS thread already.

JWBS wrote:

Thanks man this is why I'm here, AoS calculations incoming?

Those are over in the AoS Thread:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Dark Angels and Necron boxes lose points for the named character in each - I've already got the Lion, which means needing to move a copy on if I were to pick that one up. I don't have the Void Dragon, though, so that would work nicely with my current Necrons.

Knights box is another option, as that would pair well with the other Knights I've yet to build, including the older Battleforce with the Castellan in.

Nice theme to the "Sisters" box, while the Tau box is, as ever, a waste of a slot.

Yeah, I find the choices for Dark Angels and Necrons curious. Neither is likely to appeal to existing players of either faction; I mean, how many Necrons players don't have a Void Dragon already? I get that they're generally not marketed toward existing players, but they do acknowledge their appeal to those folks.

If you've bought the partworks magazines into a huge pile of shame these are generally pretty good boxes to convert those forces to Dark Angels and to expand the Necrons (and similar applies to the Sisters too).

Those boxes do look pretty small for the price, to my eye. Lots of big, expensive centrepiece models driving the price up, but not the value.

Good for me - I'm not interested in any of them.

 Dysartes wrote:
Not going to defend Irbis going off the deep end there, but if Valrak reported Ratlings & Ogryns in the box, then people shouldn't be marking that as 100% accurate - from the reporting yesterday, the box doth not contain any Ogryns.

Notably, whether or not they look it, GW seems to think the new Tankbustas are wearing heavy armor:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yk1xvxpw/storm-volkus-with-orks-and-ratlings-in-the-latest-kill-team-expansion/

"As the best of the best, these boyz are larger and stronger than the typical Ork. Coupled with ‘eavy armour, they are durable beasts"


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Deathwatch news is interesting. My guess is they'll either update them to have the Astartes keyword in Space Marine chapters or they'll make a version of BSTF for Marines as a new Detachment. Personally I suspect the latter, but I'd prefer the former.

I also highly suspect the whole deal with Deathwatch this edition has been a matter of resculpts being released under the Kill Team line. Almost everything weird with the army lines up with what we've seen for Tankbustas.

 Overread wrote:
Thing is GW doesn't need to sell models to an existing major Necron fan who has gone beyond a few models and already has an army. That person is already buying and all a discount box does is speed up their buying.

Instead GW is clearly aiming to make these sets more and more targeted toward both new customers and new players of armies. Including fancy key models that draw people in at the same time as including one-use only (army rules wise) models helps spread out the stock.

They're also broadly intended as gifts (although with how fast they go, that's not often a practical thing) - but certainly there's an element that a box with a big cool model is a talking point when unwrapping on Xmas day, and offers a return point for later on "I finally painted that model you got me".

 LunarSol wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Not going to defend Irbis going off the deep end there, but if Valrak reported Ratlings & Ogryns in the box, then people shouldn't be marking that as 100% accurate - from the reporting yesterday, the box doth not contain any Ogryns.

Notably, whether or not they look it, GW seems to think the new Tankbustas are wearing heavy armor:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yk1xvxpw/storm-volkus-with-orks-and-ratlings-in-the-latest-kill-team-expansion/

"As the best of the best, these boyz are larger and stronger than the typical Ork. Coupled with ‘eavy armour, they are durable beasts"

I think the new models do look like they are wearing 'eavy armour. They are noticeably more armoured than current kits and comparable to the 'eavy armoured models released in the past.

New Tankbustas:


'Ard boyz:


Nobz:

An Eldar box with Reapers and Banshees would have been welcome, but never mind.

Would love the Knight set but the same one sold out last year before I could order it. On the positive side, I think next years codex for both Imperial and Chaos Knights will introduce Combat Patrol boxes anyway. We might not need as many Armigers in our collections, and they could end up sitting on the pile of shame...

I can't see 40K going completely without new releases this side of Christmas, and I still think a 40K boardgame is on the way. Space Hulk feels right, as the Blood Angels have received new models, and if not going for the game-specific sculpts again, they could use Space Hulk to introduce new BA Terminators. Through a few expansions they could also introduce new Deathwing and Wolfguard terminators, along with new Genecult-specific Genestealers.

40K Quest could still happen, and if there's going to be a big split for Chaos, then a dungeon crawl with Inquisition hunting down Chaos Daemons would be a fantastic prelude to that while also being a send-off to a long-serving faction. Maybe the Inquisition has sensed a parting of ways, or even cause it to happen? Maybe the Great-Horned Rat is the mastermind behind it all? Space-Rats anyone?

With BSF now discontinued, I'd be surprised if something new doesn't take its place.

SamusDrake wrote:

With BSF now discontinued, I'd be surprised if something new doesn't take its place.

I don't know. Cursed City was a mess start to finish and I feel like GW has so much on their plate they don't need another Quest game system.

Nice I can skip Christmas deals. They do look slimmer than usual, maybe it's just me.

No rush but its about damn time for Votann wave2 man!

Fairly tempted to pick up that Dark Angels box and make them Deathwatch. Quite fond of that style.

 Overread wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

With BSF now discontinued, I'd be surprised if something new doesn't take its place.

I don't know. Cursed City was a mess start to finish and I feel like GW has so much on their plate they don't need another Quest game system.

I think the economics of Brexit and Covid ruined the plan for Cursed City. All of the printed content from China got much harder to come by very quickly, so GW couldn't produce more boxes quickly enough, and all of the add on sets had to be restructured on the fly.

I suspect GW has "solved" most of those issues based on the amount of printed content in all of the Kill Team content from this year.

I was thinking that there will be a new Quest game soon, but whether it's based on 40k or on the Old World (i.e. Warhammer Quest Classic) is at even odds.