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 Haighus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Lemartes being upgraded to Primaris is just further proof that GW couldn't care less about any actual narrative.

I agree. Why would they do that to a Death Company member? Even if Lemartes has held on this long, it is unlikely he will hold out forever.

'Let's perform this supposedly extremely dangerous surgery on a guy who we have to keep in stasis because he's so unstable!'

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Glad primarisfication still has a 100% success and survival rate.

only if you have named character plot shields.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Lemartes being upgraded to Primaris is just further proof that GW couldn't care less about any actual narrative.

I agree. Why would they do that to a Death Company member? Even if Lemartes has held on this long, it is unlikely he will hold out forever.

'Let's perform this supposedly extremely dangerous surgery on a guy who we have to keep in stasis because he's so unstable!'

more likely: "lets perform dangerous surgery on the guy we keep in stasis because of instability. maybe it'll actually fix the instability!"
after all, early on Cawl was claiming that his Primaris process was flaw free, and since none of the primaris had experienced the red thirst, it might have looked like upgrading the death company to primaris might be a cure, or at least a way to limit the effects. didn't work out that way of course, in the long run.

Actually, I think they did upscale Lemartes but not to primaris scale. Without those stairs he seems to be bit shorter.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Actually, I think they did upscale Lemartes but not to primaris scale. Without those stairs he seems to be bit shorter.

That's MkX armor, he's Primaris.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Actually, I think they did upscale Lemartes but not to primaris scale. Without those stairs he seems to be bit shorter.

That's MkX armor, he's Primaris.

Are First Born unable to wear MkX armor?
Is that in the fluff?

Indeed, nothing has been said that only Primaris could wear Mk. X or that they can't use older patterns.

I mean, it's designed for them cos they're like bigger and stuff.

Kind of?

Mk X is of course inherently modular. Whether Phobos, Eh or Gravis, it’s the same underlying structure. And yes it was designed with Primaris Astartes in mind, who tend to be larger.

But that doesn’t mean it can’t be made for a Firstborn’s stature. Especially as the STC or plan or whatever have been widely disseminated.

They could explain it or not. Primaris fluff has always been an excuse to market the resculpts as a new line after the fit that was Sigmar.

mithril2098 wrote:


more likely: "lets perform dangerous surgery on the guy we keep in stasis because of instability. maybe it'll actually fix the instability!"
after all, early on Cawl was claiming that his Primaris process was flaw free, and since none of the primaris had experienced the red thirst, it might have looked like upgrading the death company to primaris might be a cure, or at least a way to limit the effects. didn't work out that way of course, in the long run.

Well that was the teory in early 8th edition, but apparently is was wishfull thinking.
Anyway, death company is not the effect of the red thirst, DC suffer epic scale collective PTSD of their primarchs death (well, as far as I remember, I have not payed attention to BA since my fling with them in 5th/6th edition).

... Anyway all I am saying is that Lemartes seems to be bit shorter then regular Primaris/Death Company Marine if you try to compare with and without bases decorative stairs.

When there is better pictures to compare heights then this clears up.

 Sotahullu wrote:
... Anyway all I am saying is that Lemartes seems to be bit shorter then regular Primaris/Death Company Marine if you try to compare with and without bases decorative stairs.

Looks like he's Primaris height to me. Note, forward foot is at the same level as the left foot on the Primaris DC.

 Sotahullu wrote:
... Anyway all I am saying is that Lemartes seems to be bit shorter then regular Primaris/Death Company Marine if you try to compare with and without bases decorative stairs.

When there is better pictures to compare heights then this clears up.

Design team said to make him bigger, but the sculptor had Coteaz files up and just kept adding bulk, and the boss kept saying "hey noob, make him bigger I said!". And there we are now.

Updated Astorath is ok. The Ten Bears (Josey Wales) blue face is not.

Updated Lemartes is worse than the current sculpt.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I know it's just the camera angle, but Lemartes looks like he's lost a chunk of his torso somewhere along the way. Also not a fan of that steel ballgag he now apparently has.

The image makes his legs look too short for his body. Close to the proportions that someone with dwarfism would have.

I love it. I just wonder how annoying it would be to convert to non BA.

 Breotan wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I know it's just the camera angle, but Lemartes looks like he's lost a chunk of his torso somewhere along the way. Also not a fan of that steel ballgag he now apparently has.

The image makes his legs look too short for his body. Close to the proportions that someone with dwarfism would have.

Spoiler:

Hard to tell without a picture from a different angle. He seems to almost be doing a lunge, his front knee bent and his back leg trailing behind him. If so, he may only appear to have short legs because neither are anywhere close to being upright.

It all looks pretty good and characterful.

Considering that the Primaris are almost certainly all started from the same digital 'buck' of the Mark X armor, I am quite confident any perceived difference in proportions are a result of the pose and not the actual sculpt.

I know it’s very unlikely, but if they did release new sanguinary guard, I’d love if they were a dual kit with the Erelim. They both have winged jump packs, the only real difference would be the the torso and helmets. And weapon options I guess

 Gert wrote:
I mean, it's designed for them cos they're like bigger and stuff.

Eh if they can stretch Firstborn out to fit in Primaris scaled Indomitus suits no reason why they couldn't for Mk X.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I know it’s very unlikely, but if they did release new sanguinary guard, I’d love if they were a dual kit with the Erelim. They both have winged jump packs, the only real difference would be the the torso and helmets. And weapon options I guess

Rumors are saying the new Sanguinary Guard don't have winged packs anymore.

 Nevelon wrote:
Kinda nice to see a grounded character with Lemartes. He could have been tip-toeing on a tactical rock.

Astorath get a free pass, as that’s basically just a modernization of his classic sculpt. Which is almost always a good thing.

(We could have had primaris wind tunnel Lemartes)

Honestly better Primaris sculpts like Lemartes are more annoying to me than the usual fare because at first what jumps out are the cool new details, and then my brain steps back and takes in the model as a whole and yep, it's still a Primaris. Hopefully the various STL makers are quick to rip off the new detailing for a proper Marine sculpt.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Lemartes being upgraded to Primaris is just further proof that GW couldn't care less about any actual narrative.

I agree. Why would they do that to a Death Company member? Even if Lemartes has held on this long, it is unlikely he will hold out forever.

'Let's perform this supposedly extremely dangerous surgery on a guy who we have to keep in stasis because he's so unstable!'

What?

Lemartes is lucid.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Kinda nice to see a grounded character with Lemartes. He could have been tip-toeing on a tactical rock.

Astorath get a free pass, as that’s basically just a modernization of his classic sculpt. Which is almost always a good thing.

(We could have had primaris wind tunnel Lemartes)

Honestly better Primaris sculpts like Lemartes are more annoying to me than the usual fare because at first what jumps out are the cool new details, and then my brain steps back and takes in the model as a whole and yep, it's still a Primaris. Hopefully the various STL makers are quick to rip off the new detailing for a proper Marine sculpt.

if the only thing that annoys you about it is the fact that it is labeled as primaris, and if you like the model, then what is the issue at that point?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Kinda nice to see a grounded character with Lemartes. He could have been tip-toeing on a tactical rock.

Astorath get a free pass, as that’s basically just a modernization of his classic sculpt. Which is almost always a good thing.

(We could have had primaris wind tunnel Lemartes)

Honestly better Primaris sculpts like Lemartes are more annoying to me than the usual fare because at first what jumps out are the cool new details, and then my brain steps back and takes in the model as a whole and yep, it's still a Primaris. Hopefully the various STL makers are quick to rip off the new detailing for a proper Marine sculpt.

if the only thing that annoys you about it is the fact that it is labeled as primaris, and if you like the model, then what is the issue at that point?

Haters gonna hate?

Personally, I think he looks pretty badass, and I'm digging the aggressive murder machine pose.

I gotta say, I like Lemartes a lot more if you swap in his OG helmet

That’s not the original Lemartes helmet.

Behold! The awkward pose! The Terminator Honour bigger than his head! The constant confusion between Crozius Arcanum and a Back Banner!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s not the original Lemartes helmet.

Behold! The awkward pose! The Terminator Honour bigger than his head! The constant confusion between Crozius Arcanum and a Back Banner!

Don’t forget the wind blowing all the purity seals fully horizontal!

That mini was firmly panned when it came out. Best lost to time. I can’t think of anyone who had anything nice to say about it.

One of Mike McVey's first sculpts.