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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ftkehldw/who-are-the-phoenix-lords-the-legendary-aeldari-heroes-explained/

Drastanta, Phoenix Lord of the Shining Spears, is mentioned in passing again. Maybe one day we will get him.

And the Shadow Spectres as an Aspect. Hope reigns eternal.

Or is it rein?

Pretty sure its reigns.

Im of the opinion that we may not see Dradtanta, nor the unmentioned PL of the crimson hunters (other aspects named but without models notwithstanding), for quite some time. Sounds like they completion of the phoenix lord collection will be tied to a rhana dandra narrative if the article is anything to go by, wjich is odd because the trigger was never "all the PLs are found and active", it was "Fuegan brings them all together for a climactic battle".

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And the Shadow Spectres as an Aspect. Hope reigns eternal.

Or is it rein?

It is resin. And OOP.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And the Shadow Spectres as an Aspect. Hope reigns eternal.

Or is it rein?

Reign is good.

Reign = what a monarch does
Rein = what you steer a horse with

The confusion seems to come from the idiom 'free rein' which derives from horse riding (letting the horse go where it wants) and not from ruling over people...

 xeen wrote:
I like the new battle focus. I think it will add meaningful choices to be made each turn like TS cabal points. Reactive moves are very powerful and I think these will be good.

I agree.

It's also going to make some Tau players very sad, when they can't overwatch your blob of banshees that are coming to visit them.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Pretty sure its reigns.

Im of the opinion that we may not see Dradtanta, nor the unmentioned PL of the crimson hunters (other aspects named but without models notwithstanding), for quite some time. Sounds like they completion of the phoenix lord collection will be tied to a rhana dandra narrative if the article is anything to go by, wjich is odd because the trigger was never "all the PLs are found and active", it was "Fuegan brings them all together for a climactic battle".

The only hint we have ever had as to the possible Phoenix Lord of the Crimson Hunters is the name of one of their shrines: Scions of Kuron. Given that the only other canonical Aspect Shrines with the "Sons of <name>" style format is the Dire Avengers' Sons of Asurmen, it hints that Kuron is the name of the Crimson Hunter Phoenix Lord.

Don't forget, we still need the most legendary Aspect of all, the Slicing Orbs of Zandros...

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Don't forget, we still need the most legendary Aspect of all, the Slicing Orbs of Zandros...

And their Phoenix Lord, the Tall Man!

Khahandran wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oc7aexfl/aeldari-become-the-masters-of-manoeuvrability-with-the-new-battle-focus-army-ability/

Battle Focus now basically gives a bunch of units strategem like abilities on a resource.

We heard you liked Stratagems so we put Stratagems in your army ability and then called them something different to Stratagems even though they're clearly Stratagems.

Can't wait for Space Marines to get 'And They Shall Sometimes Know No Fear', which lets Space Marine units spend a BROTHER Token to ignore a Battleshock test, but only if another Space Marine unit hasn't already ignored a Battleshock test that phase (in which case, other Space Marine units might know some fear).

 Nevelon wrote:
I get that game balance is a thing, and resource management is part of it. But representing the inherent grace and speed of a race that only 2-6 of them can do a turn seems off.

“Sorry bob, joe’s squad used up all the racial speed this turn, you’ll have plod along like a slow mon-key”

You'd almost think that stratagems by another name might share the exact same issues as regular stratagems.

 vipoid wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
I get that game balance is a thing, and resource management is part of it. But representing the inherent grace and speed of a race that only 2-6 of them can do a turn seems off.

“Sorry bob, joe’s squad used up all the racial speed this turn, you’ll have plod along like a slow mon-key”

You'd almost think that stratagems by another name might share the exact same issues as regular stratagems.

I prefer the old Strands of Fate in that sense, since at least it is explainable that the Farseers can foresee some threats but not all.

If they wanted to do something involving movement they should just directly adjust the Movement characteristic rather than inventing new rules for Movement like this or the old 3rd edition Fleet of Foot when they tried to belatedly make up for deleting the Movement characteristic.

I prefer the sounds of this system, strands of fate makes much more sense as a detachment ability for one with lots of psykers in it. This army rule at least fits thematically and gives you the player some ownership of how the extra speed and dexterity is applied rather than just moving 2 inches more than a turn than a human.

 vipoid wrote:

We heard you liked Stratagems so we put Stratagems in your army ability and then called them something different to Stratagems even though they're clearly Stratagems.

Can't wait for Space Marines to get 'And They Shall Sometimes Know No Fear', which lets Space Marine units spend a BROTHER Token to ignore a Battleshock test, but only if another Space Marine unit hasn't already ignored a Battleshock test that phase (in which case, other Space Marine units might know some fear).

A career in rules writing awaits you...

Andykp wrote:
I prefer the sounds of this system, strands of fate makes much more sense as a detachment ability for one with lots of psykers in it. This army rule at least fits thematically and gives you the player some ownership of how the extra speed and dexterity is applied rather than just moving 2 inches more than a turn than a human.

That extra 2" when running in 2nd edition made a difference! Any shots at a target that had moved 10" or more a turn had a -1 to hit modifier, making it harder to hit. Humans by contrast only ran 8" and so there was no modifier. This was a natural consequence of the increased Movement Eldar had over a human, without requiring an extra special rule on top.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qbnruzb2/codex-aeldari-masters-combat-with-eight-powerful-detachments-to-choose-from/

Today's article

https://imgur.com/a/FoEceAK#FB1ZxcY

Datasheet leaks

Maybe the writers of the Knight Codex saw those and said, "Back to the drawing board for us."

Ouch.

Yvraine referencing 'Ynnari Incubi' etc. confirm those altered datasheets being in the codex? Must just be the three Dark Eldar squads, plus maybe the vehicles.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Yvraine referencing 'Ynnari Incubi' etc. confirm those altered datasheets being in the codex? Must just be the three Dark Eldar squads, plus maybe the vehicles.

Could be a Detachment that messes with keywords.

The GW guys at the reveal said iirc that those units would be in the eldar codex for ynnari use, so calling them ynnari X is I suppose a good way to ensure they're separate units from the DE ones.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Yvraine referencing 'Ynnari Incubi' etc. confirm those altered datasheets being in the codex? Must just be the three Dark Eldar squads, plus maybe the vehicles.

8 Drukhari units in total in codex.

And, more importantly, no Karandras - while I appreciate the rumoured Studio cock-up explained the lack of a plastic sculpt, I'm surprised they took it so personally as to remove him from the book.

 Dysartes wrote:
And, more importantly, no Karandras - while I appreciate the rumoured Studio cock-up explained the lack of a plastic sculpt, I'm surprised they took it so personally as to remove him from the book.

Speculation is a stand alone release later in 10th.

Certainly seems to be a blanket policy to remove rules for any finecast units unless they're imminently due an update.

With Karandras being dropped here I doubt we'll see a plastic model until at least the 11th edition Eldar codex. At best he'll go to Legends until then.

 Dysartes wrote:
while I appreciate the rumoured Studio cock-up explained the lack of a plastic sculpt

Someone dropped the PC with the files into Trent or what?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
while I appreciate the rumoured Studio cock-up explained the lack of a plastic sculpt

Someone dropped the PC with the files into Trent or what?

Supposedly, he got assigned to a sculptor, who later quit, and then they forgot to assign someone else to finish the project.

Dunno why a 2nd edition era Karandras is such a problem, I mean...the Vyper and Falcon are still from that time as well...so...

It's more the material. GW wants rid of finecast (entirely fair and a travesty it took so long).

 Malika2 wrote:
Dunno why a 2nd edition era Karandras is such a problem, I mean...the Vyper and Falcon are still from that time as well...so...

They are at least plastic.

I think GW just cut anything that wasn’t. We should be 100% resin free at this point (barring FW, which is not normally in the codex)

The Vyper and Falcon are plastic - GW are very keen to removed finecast from their product lineup.

Chances are they can just roll Karandras into a mid-season update as he's just 1 leader style model. The ideal inclusion for an expansion campaign book later.

GW doesn't put stats in the book for things they don't sell models for because all that does is send people to 3rd parties. So yeah he's gone for now which is a pain and a shame, but you can almost guarantee he'll return




Granted the fact that GW put wings on the Tyranid Warrior Prime suggested that we'd have winged warriors..... or an expansion with them fairly soon

Totally overlooked the whole material argument, very true!

As for FW...yeah, so they still deal with resin. Shame that they don't do any big exotic stuff anymore. Feel that even their Specialist Games characters could probably be done in regular plastic as well (albeit a few minor modifications I guess).