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Um, yeah...... Got to say that codex index is a little disappointing. World Eaters all over again. Really giving me second thoughts on jumping on the pre-order now.

Well I'm glad that the WaIt AnD sEe method still works as well as ever...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Well I'm glad that the WaIt AnD sEe method still works as well as ever...

In therms of Votann is more like - Wait theres nothing to see.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Well I'm glad that the WaIt AnD sEe method still works as well as ever...

Did you not wait and did you not see anything?

Seems like Hellbrutes and Predators are likely up for resculpts or Legends in the future. The Forgefiend exclusion is just weird though. I can't wrap my head around that one.

GW has done it before - a good few AoS armies had shared models that were then split. Sometimes it means that GW is going to split the model formally in the semi near future into two sculpts; sometimes its just random; sometimes it means one half is going away.

 Overread wrote:
GW has done it before - a good few AoS armies had shared models that were then split. Sometimes it means that GW is going to split the model formally in the semi near future into two sculpts; sometimes its just random; sometimes it means one half is going away.

I sort of oddly wonder if it might be time for the dinobot to get a facelift alongside a new defiler.

 Overread wrote:
GW has done it before - a good few AoS armies had shared models that were then split. Sometimes it means that GW is going to split the model formally in the semi near future into two sculpts; sometimes its just random; sometimes it means one half is going away.

Weren't all those cases where they were former WH models from one army that ended up split across multiple armies in AoS? Black Knights and Hex Wraiths are one example, where AoS ended up putting them in different armies. The Mutalith is a dual-kit but wouldn't make sense for TS to get the Slaughterbrute as it's more of a Khorne model. The Maulerfiend/Forgefiend situation is just plain weird.

Well, a very blurry almost impossible to read Noise Marine datasheet leaked and it looks as though they are locked into a unit of 6 w the sgt

So the trend to smaller units continues.

I also can't help but wonder what the niche this army is trying to fill.

Is this supposed to be the finesse close combat army, compared to the Khorne brute force close combat army?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


Is this supposed to be the finesse close combat army, compared to the Khorne brute force close combat army?

Looking at the leaks, this is the "struggle with 3W+ and Vehicles" army.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


Is this supposed to be the finesse close combat army, compared to the Khorne brute force close combat army?

Looking at the leaks, this is the "struggle with 3W+ and Vehicles" army.

Blastmasters seem alright, but it depends a lot on their points cost.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So the trend to smaller units continues.

I also can't help but wonder what the niche this army is trying to fill.

Is this supposed to be the finesse close combat army, compared to the Khorne brute force close combat army?

From what I can tell every so often GW does a cutting down edition where unit sizes get smaller. Then we go through two or three growth ones where things get bigger and bigger then another slapdown.

It kind of makes sense - ride a wave of popularity for a while then slap things down so that newbies don't get cut out entirely.


I also think that with the super-fast movement of rules editions; having smaller numbers in units helps avoid two things GW has issues with in freeform moving armies
1) Daisychain units that spread out and carry things like auras or board control way beyond what is expected

2) Makes it easier to balance in elite and single medium size models. Because now they don't have to compete with 20-30-40 model units of regular troops going against them and just being more points efficient because of their sheer weight of numbers.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So the trend to smaller units continues.

In this one instance, the six size squad makes sense, since that's Slaanesh's sacred number. Of course, we won't be able to take the basic squads or daemonettes in anything fewer than ten, so it's just a happy coincidence.

No hellbrute is pretty astonishing. The dreadnough/hellbrute is pretty iconic space marine type unit. No predator is also very perplexing as again, that is an old school unit that is pretty iconic. It makes me very worried for my Thousand Sons. It also put a damper on starting a EC army as these were some units I could use as filler until the range is expanded. Guess I will wait for 11th (hopefully with a release of new models like a sonic dreadnought)

 xeen wrote:
No hellbrute is pretty astonishing. The dreadnough/hellbrute is pretty iconic space marine type unit. No predator is also very perplexing as again, that is an old school unit that is pretty iconic. It makes me very worried for my Thousand Sons. It also put a damper on starting a EC army as these were some units I could use as filler until the range is expanded. Guess I will wait for 11th (hopefully with a release of new models like a sonic dreadnought)

I assume new Hellbrute is high up on the rescuplt list. The current one is online only and out of stock. Not something to create demand for in a "new" faction before it gets replaced.

I remain mildly disappointed in the lack of Daemon Engines.

I know Vashtorr, and the Negavolt Cultists of BSF hint at Dark Mechanicum coming at some point.

But come on Nurgle is on two (lawnmowers and flying thing), and everyone else is on Nowt in terms of God Aligned. And even for Chaos Undecided, there’s just the Defiler (resculpt pls) and the dual kit,

 LunarSol wrote:

 xeen wrote:
No hellbrute is pretty astonishing. The dreadnough/hellbrute is pretty iconic space marine type unit. No predator is also very perplexing as again, that is an old school unit that is pretty iconic. It makes me very worried for my Thousand Sons. It also put a damper on starting a EC army as these were some units I could use as filler until the range is expanded. Guess I will wait for 11th (hopefully with a release of new models like a sonic dreadnought)

I assume new Hellbrute is high up on the rescuplt list. The current one is online only and out of stock. Not something to create demand for in a "new" faction before it gets replaced.

Tbh it might be that there will be an equivalent per legion, hard to track where/who the sold helbrutes go to as-is.

Dudeface wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 xeen wrote:
No hellbrute is pretty astonishing. The dreadnough/hellbrute is pretty iconic space marine type unit. No predator is also very perplexing as again, that is an old school unit that is pretty iconic. It makes me very worried for my Thousand Sons. It also put a damper on starting a EC army as these were some units I could use as filler until the range is expanded. Guess I will wait for 11th (hopefully with a release of new models like a sonic dreadnought)

I assume new Hellbrute is high up on the rescuplt list. The current one is online only and out of stock. Not something to create demand for in a "new" faction before it gets replaced.

Tbh it might be that there will be an equivalent per legion, hard to track where/who the sold helbrutes go to as-is.

Let's face it, it'll be one kit with a small selection of god-specific icons to glue on.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 xeen wrote:
No hellbrute is pretty astonishing. The dreadnough/hellbrute is pretty iconic space marine type unit. No predator is also very perplexing as again, that is an old school unit that is pretty iconic. It makes me very worried for my Thousand Sons. It also put a damper on starting a EC army as these were some units I could use as filler until the range is expanded. Guess I will wait for 11th (hopefully with a release of new models like a sonic dreadnought)

I assume new Hellbrute is high up on the rescuplt list. The current one is online only and out of stock. Not something to create demand for in a "new" faction before it gets replaced.

Tbh it might be that there will be an equivalent per legion, hard to track where/who the sold helbrutes go to as-is.

Let's face it, it'll be one kit with a small selection of god-specific icons to glue on.

That still would be an improvement

I would love to see a contemptor style helbrute with studded high leather boots and a whip,

Just realised, no suitably-gimpy cultists either.

Got to say, the helbrute being out of the codex makes me worry for my Deathguard helbrute.
I don't have any predators so selfishly not worried about them going.

Only thing making me hope DG keep them is that EC got other vehicles that DG don't have access to.

This contents leak makes me very keen to see the Tzeench book when it comes out. Was always thinking of souping cultists, tzaangors, CSM and daemons in the same list. Take that tracked Necormunda hauler model and make it their only vehicle besides a CSM Lord who rides on a HH-era CSM Fighter (on foot in-game). My idea of a badass Credo army

Still haven't seen a daemon datasheet, but they appear to me more in Drukhari limbo than I expected. Definitely more limited integration than I thought.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I remain mildly disappointed in the lack of Daemon Engines.

I know Vashtorr, and the Negavolt Cultists of BSF hint at Dark Mechanicum coming at some point.

But come on Nurgle is on two (lawnmowers and flying thing), and everyone else is on Nowt in terms of God Aligned. And even for Chaos Undecided, there’s just the Defiler (resculpt pls) and the dual kit,

Nurgle has three, and how did you forget the Lord of Skulls?

Maybe the Forgefiend just doesn't have enough tentacles compared to the Maulerfiend.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I remain mildly disappointed in the lack of Daemon Engines.

I know Vashtorr, and the Negavolt Cultists of BSF hint at Dark Mechanicum coming at some point.

But come on Nurgle is on two (lawnmowers and flying thing), and everyone else is on Nowt in terms of God Aligned. And even for Chaos Undecided, there’s just the Defiler (resculpt pls) and the dual kit,

Nurgle has three, and how did you forget the Lord of Skulls?

Because I’m old and my memory is failing? I dunno!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I remain mildly disappointed in the lack of Daemon Engines.

I know Vashtorr, and the Negavolt Cultists of BSF hint at Dark Mechanicum coming at some point.

But come on Nurgle is on two (lawnmowers and flying thing), and everyone else is on Nowt in terms of God Aligned. And even for Chaos Undecided, there’s just the Defiler (resculpt pls) and the dual kit,

Nurgle has three, and how did you forget the Lord of Skulls?

Because I’m old and my memory is failing? I dunno!

You can't be old, you're my age... and possibly BorderCountesses age and she remembered.

We need another excuse.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I remain mildly disappointed in the lack of Daemon Engines.

I know Vashtorr, and the Negavolt Cultists of BSF hint at Dark Mechanicum coming at some point.

But come on Nurgle is on two (lawnmowers and flying thing), and everyone else is on Nowt in terms of God Aligned. And even for Chaos Undecided, there’s just the Defiler (resculpt pls) and the dual kit,

Nurgle has three, and how did you forget the Lord of Skulls?

Because I’m old and my memory is failing? I dunno!

You can't be old, you're my age... and possibly BorderCountesses age and she remembered.

We need another excuse.

You old chaps all seem to have forgotten the venomcrawler, too.