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So the WE/Daemon detachment is Khorne Daemonkin.

Welcome back my favourite army I guess?

 Gert wrote:
So the WE/Daemon detachment is Khorne Daemonkin.

Welcome back my favourite army I guess?

Unfortunately without access to all Khorne daemons.

Only thing missing would be the Herald, Chariot, Soulgrinder and Skullcannon.

KDK had no named characters before and now I can take Kharn, Angron, that other guy, and Skarbrand.

I see it as a win.

And before anyone calls me a simp or white knight, I literally could not care less about the competitiveness of the army or the detachment. I won exactly 3 games with the original KDK army and played far more than that.
It's not about winning, it's about running forward like a madman and summoning daemons with the power of "friendship/blood".

Besides the Daemon issue, are WE going to get better or worse?

 Gert wrote:
Only thing missing would be the Herald, Chariot, Soulgrinder and Skullcannon.

Not to mention named Herald (Skulltaker?), Herald-on-Chariot, Herald-on-Juggernaut and Karanak.

Even if you don't want to use named characters, the two options with additional mobility would likely be of use, if you had access...

The only named character in the OG KDK was Skulltaker, so instead of one there are now four named characters for KDK.

I don't include the Herald mounts as separate units in the numbers because they're not properly separate units. Artificial datasheet inflation is all mounted options are.

And again, I'd given that my previous options for the last 2 editions were not playing the army type at all, I'm pretty happy with it.

You still get your 25% allied daemons, just those ones aren't going to be Legion of Blood....

Tastyfish wrote:You still get your 25% allied daemons, just those ones aren't going to be Legion of Blood....

Not since the updated Daemon index was quietly released a couple of days ago. Legion of Blood is all there is, no other Daemon ally options exist.

Lathe Biosas wrote:Besides the Daemon issue, are WE going to get better or worse?

Solid side-grade.

The bad-ish news:
1. The loss of army wide advance and charge is big, especially as you still won't be doing anything in the shooting phase.
2. Berzerkers having a minimum unit size of 10 might make them even less present in army lists.
3. Terminators are still just chaos terminators painted red (they even go faster).
4. With less access to Daemons, WE actually have considerably less datasheets (although tbf most of those were not commonly used).
5. Eightbound and mortals are still stealing the show, actual WE space marines are also in this codex from time to time.
6. Mass turn 1 charging with your best units is probably no longer viable.

The good-ish news:
1. The army is still very fast, it just doesn't come from advance and charge anymore - big pile in and consolidate and boosted movement stats across the board will get you where you need to be.
2. Being more likely to be able to consolidate into another unit is a huge boost to the fight on death blessing/Hellbrutes reactive fighting.
3. A max size squad of Berzerkers multi charging into everything possible, consolidating/fighting on death, then blood surging into everything possible seems on brand.
4. The new additions to the army (Slaughterbound and Goremongers) are good looking models with decent rules.
5. Mass turn 1 charging is still an option, except it now involves mostly weaker units than before.

 Tastyfish wrote:
You still get your 25% allied daemons, just those ones aren't going to be Legion of Blood....

The Index was updated so that only 'pure' Chaos Marine armies can ally with daemons. However, the Community article does say "Just like the Emperor’s Children before them, mortal champions can entreat daemonic allies, and every Codex includes a detachment that lets you field them in greater numbers."

I mean, technically running daemons at all is indeed greater numbers than the zero that other detachments have access to, but it sure does imply that the demon detachment is on top of some standard daemon allying rule.

Looking like the Death Guard rumours are at least reasonably accurate, the 6 inch DS for Deathshroud is confirmed when dropping near to Afflicted units, so going to interesting to see the different ways we get to cause that to trigger. Also, 4 wounds per Deathshroud now, which is nice!

 Gert wrote:
So the WE/Daemon detachment is Khorne Daemonkin.

Welcome back my favourite army I guess?

Minus the Raptors, bikes, bolter dudes, cultists, warp talons, non-jugger lords, possessed, skull canons, and heralds.

But it is called the same thing...

God forbid anyone ever be happy at all right guys?

I mean that would just be terrible if someone wanted to get back into 40k gaming because something they've been wanting came back.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Looking like the Death Guard rumours are at least reasonably accurate, the 6 inch DS for Deathshroud is confirmed when dropping near to Afflicted units, so going to interesting to see the different ways we get to cause that to trigger. Also, 4 wounds per Deathshroud now, which is nice!

Its interesting reading the DG leaks.
Because so many abilities read as "this causes/benefits from afflicted - and so presumably that's a big thing".
But... with any fast army getting a model into 3"/6"/9" really isn't that difficult - or at least not outside the first turn. I guess DG footslogging lists perhaps can't guarantee that as easily though.

 Gert wrote:
God forbid anyone ever be happy at all right guys?

I mean that would just be terrible if someone wanted to get back into 40k gaming because something they've been wanting came back.

I know how you feel. I have guys at the local shop who hate everything.

I feel bad for them, to be miserable all the time.

The good news is I can paint my armies how I like and play with them how I like.

Until other people buy, build and paint an army for you... remember, they have nothing to do with your fun.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Looking like the Death Guard rumours are at least reasonably accurate, the 6 inch DS for Deathshroud is confirmed when dropping near to Afflicted units, so going to interesting to see the different ways we get to cause that to trigger. Also, 4 wounds per Deathshroud now, which is nice!

The entire codex is leaked. I can link it here if that is allowed?

There are so many ways to afflict models through strats, enhancements, unit abilities and strats.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


I know how you feel. I have guys at the local shop who hate everything.

I feel bad for them, to be miserable all the time.

Dude, I say we turn up with our Knights and clear out those killjoys...

I made a Death Guard Tactics thread, with the knowledge from the leaks.

 Gert wrote:
God forbid anyone ever be happy at all right guys?

I mean that would just be terrible if someone wanted to get back into 40k gaming because something they've been wanting came back.

I mean, you could already play World Eaters allied with the Index Daemons in tenth edition, and this new Codex trims the options from that a tad. All that is really returning is the name.

Wow looks like the Death Guard Combat Patrol sold out in AUSTRALIA before it even went online! (From 3rd party supplier stores). I expected the battle Force box to sell out but yeah well anyway ok that takes care of those plans lol.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Wow looks like the Death Guard Combat Patrol sold out in AUSTRALIA before it even went online! (From 3rd party supplier stores). I expected the battle Force box to sell out but yeah well anyway ok that takes care of those plans lol.

Does GW not like Australia? It seems like you guys get shafted all the time.

Nonsense. The box isn't even up for preorder today.
It's great value with popular models, meaning they are a target for resellers. Most likely they are just limiting pre-orders so regulars can get their boxes.

Pandemic sadly created a whole new (and rather large) scalper wave that targeted loads of firms. Even niches like Warhammer get hit by them.

At the same time popular sets that are one-off discount sets do naturally sell out well anyway. Esp since GW moved away from the double army into the single army ones. It's why a good many 3rd party stores often start to limit them per customer as well.

It's not just scalpers its "I'll buy two or three and have all the options I'll ever need" customers (ergo probably a good percentage of regular Dakka users!). If every customer you have goes and buys two of something suddenly you've half as many customers that you can sell finite stock too.


We also know that GW will hold back stock for retail and I've also got a feeling that they have been experimenting with staggering on the webstore too. Putting a bunch out at 10am launch time (local) and then a second wave at a somewhat random time later.

selling out at 3rd parties before the official pre-order starts is nothing new

this is more or less because shops get noticed in advance on how many copies they will get and give this information to returning customers first or have waiting lists to work around scalpers

problem is still low supply from GW for retailers to push their own online shop

 Jidmah wrote:
Nonsense. The box isn't even up for preorder today.

What do you mean, Jid? Both of the boxes for both DG & WE went up for pre-order today, going by GW's UK site.

 Overread wrote:


It's not just scalpers its "I'll buy two or three and have all the options I'll ever need" customers (ergo probably a good percentage of regular Dakka users!). If every customer you have goes and buys two of something suddenly you've half as many customers that you can sell finite stock too.

I feel personally attacked.

Hadn't seen the stealth update to Daemons on Wednesday, also apparently some update to Eldar Legends and Death Korp - but not familiar enough with either to see what.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Nonsense. The box isn't even up for preorder today.

What do you mean, Jid? Both of the boxes for both DG & WE went up for pre-order today, going by GW's UK site.

Correct, apparently I'm the one spouting nonsense. For some reason preorders went up much later for Germany than they usually do, so I assumed they would be coming out next week.

When I re-checked at noon, both boxes were sold at all the stores I usually order from, some also sold out of data cards and dice.

The DG box is just about perfect, so not really surprised its been swept from the shelves. Its probably a £40~ discount per box with usual FLGS discounts.

You can argue that multiple Lord of Poxes might be pushing it, in which case the saving is about £20. Which isn't so hot.

Not so sure its an issue of Scalpers. I mean this isn't obviously to me a scenario where you buy up copies of the Lion (will people do this with Fulgrim perhaps?) and then shove them on ebay for 3 times the price. But with the possible caveat of that Lord of Poxes issue, you could probably buy all the boxes and slowly distribute them out on ebay for a reasonable profit.

If you were starting or expanding a DG army though its hard to go wrong with this range of units.

Only ways its bad is if you already have 6 or more blight haulers (2 modeks per unit now in case you missed it) or 3 PBCs , which probably describes a lot of DG players

chaos0xomega wrote:
Only ways its bad is if you already have 6 or more blight haulers (2 modeks per unit now in case you missed it) or 3 PBCs , which probably describes a lot of DG players

Quite a few players also have maxed out on blightlords or at least have more than they would reasonably field. And let's not forget that many people have converted Chaos Lords which are now being re-used as lords of poxes.
It's a great box for starting or reselling, not so much for players who started with dark imperium.

The combat patrol on the other hand... can't wait for it to come back in stock.