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Honestly the more eldar factions they try to spin up the more of a bad idea ynnari feels like

 Irbis wrote:

Eh, no, it made no sense at all. Cows, pigs, and the rest of even-toed ungulates are completely different biological order (one of the highest classification ranks just below a kingdom) than odd-toed ungulates like horses. In fact, said cow is more closely related to a whale than it is to a horse.

This is a bit of an exaggeration; the second part is accurate enough but a taxonomic order is a long way down from a kingdom. In between is phylum (vertebrates and invertebrates) and class (e.g. mammals).

And we can safely assume whatever the Death Riders of Krieg are sitting on are just alien lifeforms anyway, so none of this really matters.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumours:
Still believes in the Corsairs rumours but since they are unlikely to get another reveal about them before the Codex drops I think they will be part of a future campaign book or the end of edition campaign instead.
Models are a new Viper kit with a rotating enclosed turret on the back and three weapon options. Also apparently a Corsairs only build? "A lot more sleek, compact more like the Venom style"
A Jump Pack unit like the old FW unit. For characters they get a Corsairs seer and Prince Yriel.

would definitely be excited to see more of this. corsairs are the part of eldar i'm most interested in seeing brought to life in plastic, and feel like a significant gap in the range

High salt for this on but Valrak says the source can generally be trusted.
Exodites are coming via Kill Team

i hope they do the warcry/underworlds thing of having mostly a bunch of normal guys, and then a few animal friends tagging along for the ride

also yeah, if this ends up leading into a proper range, even if small, that would be really exciting

Also a Grey Knights Kill Team and a Khorne based Kill Team (so likely World Eaters?)

have they done a box that is space marines vs space marines before, aside from the recent starter box? a WE kill team would certainly be appreciated, especially to flesh out the range, but i'm also wondering about something demon-based, or maybe a mix of demons and cultists (this would depend on if demons get folded in with cults like the rumors say)

Dudeface wrote:
Honestly the more eldar factions they try to spin up the more of a bad idea ynnari feels like

Surely the opposite is true? Ynnari are essentially an excuse to make eldar soup lists; players can combine small groups of Harlequins, Corsairs, and Exodites without needing to invest a full ~2k pts into just one of them.

Ynnari act as both a fluff justification, and in recent kits a way to add some cohesive bits across the different sub-ranges that ties them back together.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

Also a Grey Knights Kill Team and a Khorne based Kill Team (so likely World Eaters?)

have they done a box that is space marines vs space marines before, aside from the recent starter box? a WE kill team would certainly be appreciated, especially to flesh out the range, but i'm also wondering about something demon-based, or maybe a mix of demons and cultists (this would depend on if demons get folded in with cults like the rumors say)

Just to clarify this doesn't mean these are in the same box just that both are coming. They could be against each other and would fit if the Khorne team is Daemons instead but could just as likely be against others

There is still the question of the Harlequin Troupe Master, which is currently without an official model. With so many new Aspect Warriors and Phoenix Lords announced in one go, I'm guessing that the Troupe Master will soon have one of the following fates...

1) Introduced with a dedicated sculpt in Kill Team alongside Troupe Players and an alternative wargear sprue.
2) Moved to legends and the Shadowseer will take over as the Warlord.
3) A last minute reveal for the release of the 10th edition codex.

...but being positive I'd go with being introduced in Kill Team.

 Matrindur wrote:

Also he says 24 models in the box which only makes sense if GW starts counting the little idol/altar pieces included in the Aspect Warriors sets. They didn't do that on the individual boxes until now as they all say 5 models so if they change that and the idols count as actual models now that might also mean they get actual rules in the Codex? Or at least some rule that needs a counter like that.

There is some previous presidence for this. I know they used to count the teleport homer in the terminator box (oop one) as a model, as it claimed "6 models" on the box.

 Matrindur wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

Also a Grey Knights Kill Team and a Khorne based Kill Team (so likely World Eaters?)

have they done a box that is space marines vs space marines before, aside from the recent starter box? a WE kill team would certainly be appreciated, especially to flesh out the range, but i'm also wondering about something demon-based, or maybe a mix of demons and cultists (this would depend on if demons get folded in with cults like the rumors say)

Just to clarify this doesn't mean these are in the same box just that both are coming. They could be against each other and would fit if the Khorne team is Daemons instead but could just as likely be against others

ah, makes sense.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Honestly the more eldar factions they try to spin up the more of a bad idea ynnari feels like

Surely the opposite is true? Ynnari are essentially an excuse to make eldar soup lists; players can combine small groups of Harlequins, Corsairs, and Exodites without needing to invest a full ~2k pts into just one of them.

Ynnari act as both a fluff justification, and in recent kits a way to add some cohesive bits across the different sub-ranges that ties them back together.

Ynnari are a fluff catch 22 at this point. They clearly can never complete their quest or there would be no need for other eldar factions and they won't want to kill slaanesh. They can't justify their own range either because who needs 4 eldar ranges with less than half a dozen kits in addition to the big 2. They can't remain stuck in the craftworld codex because frankly feth you drukhari players at that point. They can't fit 4 whole "almost factions" into the craftworld book either and keep the number of detachments/options sane. They can't possibly balance the combination of all 6 eldar factions in one super faction either.

Unless they're separated out into a little separate codex which is the 3 characters and a smattering of defined units from the other ranges, they will continue to be an uncomfortable mistake imo.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

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 Dysartes wrote:

Darkial wrote:
As happy as I am with the new spiders, it's anyone else thinking that there was a missed opportunity to made them more dynamic as the Phoenix Lord? I mean it seems that only one has some of that web effect on the leg and it would have been cool to see more of that and jumping.

No? The less "dynamic" the sculpts are, the better things will look on the table if multiple units are fielded - and probably even within the same unit of 10 are fielded.

I brought this up to a local player yesterday. What if we can no longer take units of 10? Maybe 5 will become the only option? I have no specific knowledge or preference but observed how GW has made those changes with other units.

no other unit of aspect warriors has been limited to five. they even are selling scorpions in boxes of ten at the moment


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also my feeling on paint jobs is that, in general, people need to use more color, not less. tables look boring if everyone is painted in drab colors. 2nd edition got this right

Interestingly, the Striking Scorpion Kill Team is not even displayed on the GW website (US).

The updated Banshees and Reapers are sold in a boxset of 5 models. 4 Aspect Warriors and an Exarch with weapon options.

The downsizing of units have occurred in other armies when their respective codex was released (Tau and Dark Angels off the top of my head).

Feel free to #isagree. Not saying the squad size will be limited to 5, but I would not say it is out of the question.

Do you think that the future of Ynnari will be a feature detachment article in White Dwarf?

It seems the perfect place for them to reside, as Dudeface pointed out, there is no decent place for them (rulebook wise).

Yinnari is going to be in the Craftworld Codex as an option - they confirmed it along wth the codex including the required Dark Elf models.


Yinnari is stuck. As a concept its just mashing existing model lines together. It only has 3 unique models to itself; everything else is parts of other armies which have very distinct styles.

Eldar also has Corsairs and Exoidtes which both offer more creativity and more diverse options IF GW were to explore them. They are also much older and honestly better to invest into than a new concept that has only been around for a little.


In the end Eldar are just not as popular as Imperials to justify 6 subfactions. There's also an issue of GW getting creative shortfalls which I feel is kind of why Harliquins started their own codex and then fell back into Craftworld. There just wasn't the creative/financial drive there to develop an entire new line of models that were distinct. It also doesn't help that at the same time GW were trying to do that and Yinnari; Eldar were running around with 1st generation models and a lot of old aspect classes.


Craftworld being almost fully updated now and with Dark Eldar in a good spot (save for losing a bunch of leaders) would be a better time for a combined arms force.


Honestly we'll just have to wait and see

All of the newly revealed Aspect Warriors have helmetless Ynnari head options. They're still getting at least that level of support.

 Asmodai wrote:
All of the newly revealed Aspect Warriors have helmetless Ynnari head options. They're still getting at least that level of support.

That's cool. I'm glad they're doing that for Eldar players.

 Asmodai wrote:
All of the newly revealed Aspect Warriors have helmetless Ynnari head options. They're still getting at least that level of support.

To be fair that's also an easy thing to re-con out of the game and just have them as optional builds.

For me it's hard to see Ynnari as anything other than the abortive end times of the eldar. I honestly believe they started out with the intent of putting down both craftworld and dark eldar during rising storm, dropping the ancient kits and starting eldar back our as a singular cohesive faction that they could then chunk out in the future.

Framing it as I do mentally, I can't ever see their continued inclusion as anything but a problem as they never completed their design brief seemingly.

Dudeface wrote:
For me it's hard to see Ynnari as anything other than the abortive end times of the eldar. I honestly believe they started out with the intent of putting down both craftworld and dark eldar during rising storm, dropping the ancient kits and starting eldar back our as a singular cohesive faction that they could then chunk out in the future.

Framing it as I do mentally, I can't ever see their continued inclusion as anything but a problem as they never completed their design brief seemingly.

Naw I don't think it was that, I think it was a move to make an army out of nothing. GW was doing some odd things in those days; like taking the latest version of Space Marines and instead of updating the line they released them alongside the line as Primaris. Yinnari was an attempt to get Craftworld and Dark Eldar players to buy the "other half" of models to make a new Yinnari army.

It was odd times and odd choices born of a management that was increasingly separated from their customers and looking at bit too much at the raw data and sales figures and not applying enough contextual understanding of what was driving the numbers (you know like customer feedback questionnaires and such)

 Matrindur wrote:
lso he says 24 models in the box which only makes sense if GW starts counting the little idol/altar pieces included in the Aspect Warriors sets. They didn't do that on the individual boxes until now as they all say 5 models so if they change that and the idols count as actual models now that might also mean they get actual rules in the Codex? Or at least some rule that needs a counter like that.

I don't doubt that eventually the aspect shrine idols will have some in-game value, but since the Dire Avengers don't have one in their current box, I would say that it won't happen for at least another edition, once every Aspect has access to them.

Wait, that little Asurman statue on this sprue is no longer there?

I pretty solidly share the belief that Ynarri were designed to remove the Drukhari codex. Feels in line with other bits of what was going on at the time.

 LunarSol wrote:
I pretty solidly share the belief that Ynarri were designed to remove the Drukhari codex. Feels in line with other bits of what was going on at the time.

I doubt that, since they never had access to Haemonculi Coven units unless they also planned either dropping Covens(doubt it) or just making Covens their own separate army(again, doubt it).

And the fact that Dark Eldar had a more updated model line at that point compared to Craftworld .

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Wait, that little Asurman statue on this sprue is no longer there?

Huh, I have never seen that! In my defence, it's not on the box... Does it come with a base?

 Matrindur wrote:
Again says that EC are supposed to come in Spring 2025 but dates can change at any time.

Fingers crossed. Might start seeing actual models soon if that's the case given they've shown all the IG/Eldar stuff

Ah, but shining spears dont have a totem mascot. It would easily had fit as hood ornament

Anyway, the statues are not aspect exclusive, the new rangers have a mini statue as well.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Again says that EC are supposed to come in Spring 2025 but dates can change at any time.

Fingers crossed. Might start seeing actual models soon if that's the case given they've shown all the IG/Eldar stuff

Still got Imperial Knights on the roadmap before any mystery stuff.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Again says that EC are supposed to come in Spring 2025 but dates can change at any time.

Fingers crossed. Might start seeing actual models soon if that's the case given they've shown all the IG/Eldar stuff

Still got Imperial Knights on the roadmap before any mystery stuff.

I'm hoping for something fun with Imperial Knights.

Regarding Ynnari, I think it's an interesting concept that's been heavily marred by a lack of effort on GW's part.

Tying detachments to special characters was something I thought the game had grown out of. And making them completely Eldar-centric when Craftworlds had already been allowed to eat both Harlequins and Corsairs was just depressing.

 LunarSol wrote:
I pretty solidly share the belief that Ynarri were designed to remove the Drukhari codex. Feels in line with other bits of what was going on at the time.

I could certainly believe it, given that GW spent the next 14 years treading water with the faction. No attempt to add new units, no attempt to replace the myriad of units and options they lost.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Again says that EC are supposed to come in Spring 2025 but dates can change at any time.

Fingers crossed. Might start seeing actual models soon if that's the case given they've shown all the IG/Eldar stuff

Still got Imperial Knights on the roadmap before any mystery stuff.

Rumours were no models for them though right? Which means they'll just be a blip before we get to 40k's most perfect army

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Rumours were no models for them though right? Which means they'll just be a blip before we get to 40k's most perfect army

They're apparently getting a new Armiger variant, via a 3rd weapon sprue